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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
    • 33106

    #301
    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

    Originally posted by TheShizNo1
    Just like Dana threatened a ban for any fighter being in a different MMA game?

    That's one of my points, who are those fighters to tell the champion how to fight?

    As far as the place I watched at, mostly everyone was laughing. Towards the end people were yelling knock it out. Not one person was saying he shouldnt be a main event or stripped of his title.
    No one has said he should be stripped of his title but he shouldnt be a main eventer. His last 3 main events were 3 of the worst fights in MMA history.

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    • mgoblue
      Go Wings!
      • Jul 2002
      • 25477

      #302
      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      Well most MMA fans do pay for PPVs one way or the other so they have every right to complain about someone who doesnt finish fights. Silva isnt fighting for free. When he does, he can run for 5 rounds for all I care.

      This aftermath is an embarrassment to the UFC. Dana doesnt want this attention. He doesnt want people saying that the guy he has been promoting as the pound for pound best fighter in the world refuses to fight and is an embarrassment. Its silly to say that this bad pub is in some way good for the UFC.

      I'm a MMA fan. I watch everything related to the sport so of course I will watch Silva's next fight. Will I pay for it? No. But I will watch. That doesnt even matter though. What matters is that non hardcore MMA fans will be hesitant to purchase a PPV headlined by Silva because of his last 3 main events.
      EXACTLY! I'll probably end up watching too at a bar, but all the casual fans are gonna avoid Silva like the plague because they were bored by his fights.
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      • The Chef
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        • Sep 2003
        • 13684

        #303
        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

        Originally posted by TheShizNo1
        Just like Dana threatened a ban for any fighter being in a different MMA game?

        That's one of my points, who are those fighters to tell the champion how to fight?

        As far as the place I watched at, mostly everyone was laughing. Towards the end people were yelling knock it out. Not one person was saying he shouldnt be a main event or stripped of his title.
        This is a little different. Reports are out there that the Abu Dhabi investors actually bought a 10% stake in the UFC and thats why they loaded the card with two title fights in an attempt to put on a great show for the newest investors. Then your champ goes out there and spends more time dancing around the cage then engaging his opponent and in turn embarrassing yourself and the company you work for in front of their newest investors. Dana has every right to be pissed and if you dont mind watching guys dance without engaging then you need to go watch boxing and leave MMA alone because last night was a disgrace.
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        • mgoblue
          Go Wings!
          • Jul 2002
          • 25477

          #304
          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

          Originally posted by The Chef
          This is a little different. Reports are out there that the Abu Dhabi investors actually bought a 10% stake in the UFC and thats why they loaded the card with two title fights in an attempt to put on a great show for the newest investors. Then your champ goes out there and spends more time dancing around the cage then engaging his opponent and in turn embarrassing yourself and the company you work for in front of their newest investors. Dana has every right to be pissed and if you dont mind watching guys dance without engaging then you need to go watch boxing and leave MMA alone because last night was a disgrace.
          Those aren't rumors, the UFC did sell 10% to the Abu Dhabi investors, they're giving them inroads in the middle east and China.
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          • Bornindamecca
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            • Jul 2007
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            #305
            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

            Originally posted by BlueNGold
            I was quoting WeLLWeLL when he said "at least Maia tried to put on a show".

            I understand Maia didn't have much of a chance standing with Anderson but when he's standing there taunting him, Maia's best attack was raising his hands in the air and doing the same thing. Also, by round 3 Maia should have realized that his weak takedown attempts weren't gonna fly and that he had to adapt to the fight and start throwing.

            IMO this fight is just as much Maia's fault as it is Silva's. And if it wasn't for Anderson putting on a show in the first 2 rounds, this probably would have been the worst fight in UFC history.
            I do not understand how people are saying that Maia tried to put on a show. Does anyone have the statistics from that fight? I would love to see how many punches/kicks thrown Maia has. It felt like he threw all of five punches in the entire first four rounds. How is that trying to put on a show? His takedowns got stuffed, he got his nose broken, and he quit.

            When you are the challenger and you are down on points past the midway point of the fight, the onus is on YOU to finish the fight. Everyone knows that. It's basic fundamentals of professional combat sports.
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            • aholbert32
              (aka Alberto)
              • Jul 2002
              • 33106

              #306
              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

              Originally posted by Bornindamecca
              I do not understand how people are saying that Maia tried to put on a show. Does anyone have the statistics from that fight? I would love to see how many punches/kicks thrown Maia has. It felt like he threw all of five punches in the entire first four rounds. How is that trying to put on a show? His takedowns got stuffed, he got his nose broken, and he quit.

              When you are the challenger and you are down on points past the midway point of the fight, the onus is on YOU to finish the fight. Everyone knows that. It's basic fundamentals of professional combat sports.
              Again only one person said he was trying to put on a show and that person was wrong. I'm amazed people are trying to hang a 3rd poor main event by Silva on Maia. I guess the Cote and Leites fights didnt happen either.

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              • MC Fatigue
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                • Feb 2006
                • 4150

                #307
                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                If Silva thinks he's such a badass, he should have laid on his back and told Maia to go for it. That would have been badass.

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                • Phillmattic
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                  • May 2003
                  • 1071

                  #308
                  Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                  Fightmetric report is up.

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                  • aholbert32
                    (aka Alberto)
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 33106

                    #309
                    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                    Well according to the report, Maia threw 5 more power shots to the head. Silva through way more jabs and leg kicks which is an example of him fighting from the outside the entire fight.

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                    • hogfan
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 1281

                      #310
                      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                      Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                      I do not understand how people are saying that Maia tried to put on a show. Does anyone have the statistics from that fight? I would love to see how many punches/kicks thrown Maia has. It felt like he threw all of five punches in the entire first four rounds. How is that trying to put on a show? His takedowns got stuffed, he got his nose broken, and he quit.

                      When you are the challenger and you are down on points past the midway point of the fight, the onus is on YOU to finish the fight. Everyone knows that. It's basic fundamentals of professional combat sports.
                      The bottom line in any competition is, win or lose, did you put forth your best effort?

                      Does anyone really think Silva put forth his best effort?

                      Sure Maia was completely outclassed, but he did put forth his best effort.

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                      • ex carrabba fan
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                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #311
                        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        He hasnt cleaned out MW imo. Belfort and Sonnen are still there. Plus he is unwilling to vacate the belt. Also putting him in 205 is useless since he refuses to fight Machida and Machida could possibly be the champ for a while.

                        Its not absurd. He is nothing but a counter puncher because he chooses to be that. He has the skill and ability to do anything in the ring. He has great BJJ skills. He is an incredible striker. He is a decent grappler. He refuses to show those skills. Every significant punch he has landed in his last 5 fights have been a result of a counterpuncher.

                        The "overreaction" is reasonable. The guy has headlined 3 PPVs since he beat Henderson and all 3 fights looked the same. Silva showboated, ran, waited for counter punches and it resulted and three of the worst PPV main events in MMA history. Dana has a right to be pissed because the guys is ****ing with his business. The fans have a right to be pissed because they paid 60 bucks.

                        What makes MMA better than boxing right now is the understanding that most fighters try to finish fights. Thats why GSP apologized a few weeks ago for not finishing Hardy...because the understanding is that you ****ing finish fights. You dont coast to victories for 3 rounds when you have someone dominated, you finish them.
                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        You need to watch his earlier fights. He attacked in the Leben fight. He attacked in the first two Franklin fights. He attacked in the Lutter fight. He didnt get to the top as a counter puncher. He changed his style once his priority became keeping the belt and not taking risks.

                        If you enjoy paying 60 bucks to watch someone never take risks, more power to you. I enjoy fighters who finish fights.
                        Huh? So is he nothing but a counter puncher or what?

                        I agree that he isn't taking risks as much these days, but you still called him nothing but a counter puncher in one post, then proceed to post that in another?

                        Not taking risks anymore and "nothing but a counter puncher" are different things.

                        Put him against a guy who will compete with him and this won't happen. How is all of the blame on Silva when Maia didn't do much of anything either?

                        Like I said I'm not 100% behind Silva but he secured a decision and fought smartly. Once you put him against a guy who is willing to do something we'll see that Silva deserves his #1 p4p title.

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                        • Bornindamecca
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                          • Jul 2007
                          • 10919

                          #312
                          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                          Unless I'm reading that fight data wrong, Silva had three times the output that Maia had. Case closed. Maia didn't try ****. Silva's fights look the same because people are terrified of his counterpunching and have not mounted any kind of offense as a result. Baiting Silva into foolish attacking isn't going to work, and after Griffin, people are even more scared.

                          In that Yahoo article, the author said that Silva may have lost his pound for pound status. I disagree. I think grapplers are now even more afraid of him, after Silva stuffed all of Damien's attempts by grabbing his head and throwing it to the ground.

                          Silva only has a few fights left before his scheduled retirement. Dana better pull his head out of his *** and get this GSP vs Silva thing done. If he can't find someone who isn't afraid to actually attack Silva, we are going to get this over and over, because Silva will not abandon his gameplan for any "finish the fight" foolishness when he is already winning.
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                          • hogfan
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1281

                            #313
                            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            Well according to the report, Maia threw 5 more power shots to the head. Silva through way more jabs and leg kicks which is an example of him fighting from the outside the entire fight.

                            Maia also shot in for take downs 13 times.

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                            • allBthere
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 5847

                              #314
                              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Huh? So is he nothing but a counter puncher or what?

                              I agree that he isn't taking risks as much these days, but you still called him nothing but a counter puncher in one post, then proceed to post that in another?

                              Not taking risks anymore and "nothing but a counter puncher" are different things.

                              Put him against a guy who will compete with him and this won't happen. How is all of the blame on Silva when Maia didn't do much of anything either?

                              Like I said I'm not 100% behind Silva but he secured a decision and fought smartly. Once you put him against a guy who is willing to do something we'll see that Silva deserves his #1 p4p title.
                              why do you think everyone has an obligation to attack silva and just let him counter?

                              Maia had one eye and is the worst striker to contend for a title and he was swinging at silva from his knees. It wasn't even risky for silva to try and hit him really...he absolutely is a counter-puncher.

                              Most of the fight Maia was chasing silva around the ring. He's not even a striker but was game to try and get in striking range.

                              he is the only guy in MMA I've seen behave this way, there is no justification for what he did yesterday. Defend it all you want, but it was garbage.
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                              • Bornindamecca
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                                • Jul 2007
                                • 10919

                                #315
                                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                                Originally posted by allBthere
                                why do you think everyone has an obligation to attack silva and just let him counter?
                                If you fight the champ, you're supposed to try to win. Once you're down on points past the halfway mark, you have to take risks, because you are already losing. After the third round, Silva was clearly ahead. Maia did not make any attempt to win that fight. He gave up. He was terrified. His takedowns were stuffed and he was content to walk away and say "well, that didn't work. Looks like I can't beat him."

                                You guys talk like Maia was the aggressor and Silva was running. Silva was the aggressor for long enough to get ahead and do some serious physical damage, and then, realizing that Maia would not attack no matter what, he did some light cardio for two rounds. I understand why you don't like that, but I don't see how you blame all of that on Silva.
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