UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

[aholbert32]

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This is the best analysis Ive read of Silva's performance. Jake Rossen of ESPN.com:

"What we've learned in the Maia, Thales Leites and Patrick Cote bouts -- snoozers all -- is that Silva wants to play a zero-sum game of risk. His comfort level is in countering, and if a fighter refuses to cooperate, he will refuse to initiate an attack. This is an effective way of preserving brain cells but a catastrophic strategy for keeping seats filled. UFC brass handing him Forrest Griffin or anyone who can "bring the fight to him" is an embarrassing conceit. Why shouldn't he be bringing the fight himself?



This is audience-killing stuff, the kind of thing that sours attitudes and prompts apologies from the host of suburban pay-per-view fight parties.



Summary is best left to announcer Mike Goldberg, who sweats hyperbole through every pore and is fond of saying that "Anderson Silva is on another planet." He certainly is."

[aholbert32]

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It is quite obvious Silva is bored as a middleweight......Sonnen would be no match for him. I mean hell Maia beat Sonnen and in reality Sonnen is a smaller, weaker less skilled Dan Henderson.

His record shows he isn't good at all against anybody with decent average BJJ, Silbva would sub his butt with the quickness. Hell even Forrest Griffin subbed Sonnen with a triangle choke in 2003 in the IFC.


The only real challenge to Silva would be a striker like Belfort or Shogun. Silva vs Brock won't happen because that means Silva would have to gain a good 30 pounds to be a decent sized heavyweight and still would be a good 60 pounds smaller then Brock big self.

Maybe he would beat Sonnen just as quickly as he did Henderson but at least it would be a finish. Sonnen is going to come forward and press Silva. That means that Silva will fight back instead of doing his track star impersonation for 3 rounds.

[DJ]

Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

This is the best analysis Ive read of Silva's performance. Jake Rossen of ESPN.com:

"What we've learned in the Maia, Thales Leites and Patrick Cote bouts -- snoozers all -- is that Silva wants to play a zero-sum game of risk. His comfort level is in countering, and if a fighter refuses to cooperate, he will refuse to initiate an attack. This is an effective way of preserving brain cells but a catastrophic strategy for keeping seats filled. UFC brass handing him Forrest Griffin or anyone who can "bring the fight to him" is an embarrassing conceit. Why shouldn't he be bringing the fight himself?



This is audience-killing stuff, the kind of thing that sours attitudes and prompts apologies from the host of suburban pay-per-view fight parties.



Summary is best left to announcer Mike Goldberg, who sweats hyperbole through every pore and is fond of saying that "Anderson Silva is on another planet." He certainly is."

Yeah, I thought this article and the Yahoo one really hit the nail on the head in regards to Silva's performance.

[jeremym480]

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Its a waste of time to have him fight at 205 if he wont fight Machida and Silva has stated multiple times he wont. Why have him potentially beat contenders if there is a chance he will never fight for the belt?

Maybe Rua will win the belt again at the next PPV and so, Anderson can eventually fight him for the belt. I don't think he deserves an immediate title shot though, especially after this piss poor performance.

I enjoyed the Silva fight honestly. Couldn't keep my eyes off of it.

I was watching the fight on my computer and I can honestly say that it's the first title fight EVER that I minimized Sopcast (during the fight) and browsed OS. I can't see how any true MMA fan could have actually enjoyed that.

I saw a severely outmatched fighter who couldn't see out of his damn eye or breathe out of his nose for 3 rounds trying to stop the crowd from booing and give an exciting fight against a pompous ******* who spend the first 2 rounds making a joke of the sport and mocking his opponent and the final 3 rounds running around avoiding the fight while trying to make a point to Dana White. I think that's what basically everyone else saw too. Finish the damn fight, Silva, you jerkass.

EDIT: I actually LOL'd at "try to clinch"... sitting here at my desk chuckling about how ridiculous that suggestion was. Clinch???? Ahahahaha...

I saw the exact same thing as you.

[Phillmattic]

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Maia's medical suspension could last up to 180 days.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/18699/ufc-112-medical-suspensions-issued-to-seven-fighters-maia-suspended-up-to-180-days.mma

Maia, who suffered cuts and heavy facial swelling during the five-round pay-per-view main event, must have a CT scan of his head and face. He's suspended 180 days but can be cleared early by a doctor if the CT scan reveals no longterm damage. Regardless, Maia is suspended 60 days with no contact in training for 45 days for precautionary reasons.

[Beantown]

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I think he should vacate the belt also. He needs to stay in LHW where there is much more consistent talent to give him challenges. This is a sport, there is no NOT fighting friends.

But I am still holding out massive hope for a Brock vs Silva fight

Fedor vs Silva LOL If Dana was smart do u realize how huge this event would be. I bet largest selling UFC event.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...ish-the-spider

No doubt in my mind I'd be 100% behind Silva if he fought Fedor.

Hell, I think I'd be 100% behind Silva in any fight except against Brock or GSP. I love watching Anderson fight....when he actually fights.

[Hiro1]

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No doubt in my mind I'd be 100% behind Silva if he fought Fedor.

Hell, I think I'd be 100% behind Silva in any fight except against Brock or GSP. I love watching Anderson fight....when he actually fights.

No way I'm backing Silva. Fedor respects the sport and his opponents. He finishes fights and then shakes his opponents hand after wards. He is a class guy from what I've seen.

[Phillmattic]

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Greg Jackson impressed with Silva's performance.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/13/greg-jackson-really-enjoyed-anderson-silva-at-ufc-112/

"I actually really enjoyed the first part of the fight, with Anderson changing up his style, like he would do Machida, then he would kind of do the Diaz brothers' thing, then Muhammad Ali," Jackson said. "I was actually very entertained with all the different styles that he was emulating as he was going after him. And then for the last half of the fight, I think he got so far ahead he played it smart, or he got tired. One way or the other, to me, it's not a disgrace at all. It was a fight and sometimes you look great and sometimes you have one with a little more grinding. But playing it smart or getting tired and not engaging because you're a little tired isn't a disgrace to me."

[LingeringRegime]

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Greg Jackson impressed with Silva's performance.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/1...va-at-ufc-112/

I agree with Jackson completely. I have never seen anything quite like it, and that is why I was on the edge of my seat. Dude was clowned so bad, I was rooting for him to retaliate somehow, but the more I watched the more in awe I was of Silva's abilities. I can understand why most were aghast at his behavior, but I found it entertaining as hell.

[Vast]

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Silva dropped the ball, period.

This was the equivalent of Jordan being spectacular for the first half of a game, leaving the crowd in awe..... Then coming out in the second half and just holding the ball for every possession doing nothing.
Stoping the other team on defense every time, not allowing them to score, but everytime he got the ball just hold the ball until the shot clock ran out.

He was ahead so its all good right?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Silva dropped the ball, period.

This was the equivalent of Jordan being spectacular for the first half of a game, leaving the crowd in awe..... Then coming out in the second half and just holding the ball for every possession doing nothing.
Stoping the other team on defense every time, not allowing them to score, but everytime he got the ball just hold the ball until the shot clock ran out.

He was ahead so its all good right?

Yeah except in basketball the opponent isn't allowed to grab a hold of your arm and try to break it. If you've got the decision secured, it's smart to not let your opponent [who's only way of winning is to grab a hold of your limb or neck] get close to you.

After reading all the viewpoints, all I can say is I want to see Silva even more now to see what he'll do.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah except in basketball the opponent isn't allowed to grab a hold of your arm and try to break it. If you've got the decision secured, it's smart to not let your opponent [who's only way of winning is to grab a hold of your limb or neck] get close to you.

After reading all the viewpoints, all I can say is I want to see Silva even more now to see what he'll do.

He will do the same thing as he always does. If he fights Belfort, he will counter and probably win. If he fights Sonnen, it will be a boring fight just like against Maia.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I said before that if it's either Sonnen or Belfort, it'll be good fights to watch. I expect Sonnen to "try" a lot more than Maia did after calling Silva out twice now. He had better back up his chirping.

I don't care to discuss Maia's effort to "try" or "engage" because we all have let our feelings be known, but Sonnen is obligated now.

I agree, if it's Belfort, we'll see some countering strikes from both fighters. So that should be good for us.

It's my view that if Silva goes up to LHW, he won't have any more boring fights. He can fight any of the top several contenders and be challenged.. probably outside of Machida, although that would be more exciting than most would think IMO.

[aholbert32]

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I said before that if it's either Sonnen or Belfort, it'll be good fights to watch. I expect Sonnen to "try" a lot more than Maia did after calling Silva out twice now. He had better back up his chirping.

I don't care to discuss Maia's effort to "try" or "engage" because we all have let our feelings be known, but Sonnen is obligated now.

I agree, if it's Belfort, we'll see some countering strikes from both fighters. So that should be good for us.

It's my view that if Silva goes up to LHW, he won't have any more boring fights. He can fight any of the top several contenders and be challenged.. probably outside of Machida, although that would be more exciting than most would think IMO.

One thing: Belfort doesnt counter. He attacks. He takes a minute or two to feel out his opponent and then he attacks. They are two different fighters now....Silva waits for a counter (and if it doesnt come sits back) and Belfort attacks. Thats why I think Belfort will lose because that plays right into Silva's wheelhouse.

A fight against Evans wouldnt be exciting because he doesnt take chances. Evans is a counterpuncher too except he is more willing to attack and press the action than Silva. Rua and Rampage would be good fights though.

Would you really pay money to watch Silva in a main event against Sonnen? After his last 3 main events were duds? I would only do that if it had a great undercard

[Phillmattic]

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One thing: Belfort doesnt counter. He attacks. He takes a minute or two to feel out his opponent and then he attacks. They are two different fighters now....Silva waits for a counter (and if it doesnt come sits back) and Belfort attacks. Thats why I think Belfort will lose because that plays right into Silva's wheelhouse.

A fight against Evans wouldnt be exciting because he doesnt take chances. Evans is a counterpuncher too except he is more willing to attack and press the action than Silva. Rua and Rampage would be good fights though.

Would you really pay money to watch Silva in a main event against Sonnen? After his last 3 main events were duds? I would only do that if it had a great undercard

I have to disagree with you on Belfort, he's just as much a counter puncher as Silva.

Silva is a smart, balanced fighter. Against Forrest he threw way more punches without countering than he did countering, people only remember the counter punches because they were the most spectacular.

And there is nothing wrong with being a counter fighter, it's very beatable it's just that most MMA fighters lack the knowledge on how to. But we just saw Edgar beat Penn, who is primarily a counter puncher, and Shogun take it to the most extreme case of a counter puncher in Machida.