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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
    • 33106

    #301
    Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

    Originally posted by Bona Fide
    No. Brock's wrestling was vastly overrated when compared to Cain's. Brock wrestled in a lot weaker HW division than Cain. Also, Cain adapts his wrestling better to MMA. Brock is obviously a great wrestler, but taking down Frank Mir and Heath Herring is a lot different than talking down Cain Velasquez.

    It was just ridiculous how many people counted Cain out because Brock was this super wrestler who can't be stopped.
    I just think it was a crappy gameplan not equal wrestling. I dont know why they thought they could bumrush Cain. I know you didnt want to keep it standing long but I think Brock's exhaustion was an equal reason for the loss with Cain's technical punching.

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    • XFactah416
      MVP
      • Oct 2008
      • 1708

      #302
      Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

      Originally posted by Bona Fide
      No. Brock's wrestling was vastly overrated when compared to Cain's. Brock wrestled in a lot weaker HW division than Cain. Also, Cain adapts his wrestling better to MMA. Brock is obviously a great wrestler, but taking down Frank Mir and Heath Herring is a lot different than talking down Cain Velasquez.

      It was just ridiculous how many people counted Cain out because Brock was this super wrestler who can't be stopped.
      Brock's wrestling isn't overrated.

      The problem is, people thought that because Brock had like this weigh advantage that he'd be able to shoot and take down Cain with ease. It's not happening like that when both of them are really, really good wrestlers.

      Brock is a really good HW still. Cain is the future though, and tonight is why he was so highly thought of.

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      • Gotmadskillzson
        Live your life
        • Apr 2008
        • 23442

        #303
        Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

        Brock wrestled in a lot weaker HW division than Cain.
        Really ? Brock wrestled in the Big 10, Cain in the Big 12. They both were NATIONAL champs. That means you wrestle the best in the nation from all DIVISIONS.

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        • CYST2000
          Pro
          • Aug 2009
          • 555

          #304
          Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

          Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
          ACTUALLY........It was a punch to the side of the gut that 1st sent Brock stumbling and he never recovered from that. That was what started the downfall. Cain caught him with a body punch right on the side of his gut.
          Was it a liver shot? Cain has excellent pin-point accuracy with those hands and feet. A liver shot is almost impossible to overcome.
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          • NYG_Meth
            The OS Artist Guy
            • May 2003
            • 3920

            #305
            Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

            VERY impressed by Cain. When he stuffed Brock's initial bull rush, that really set the tone.
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            • Bighoff
              The Bird is the word
              • Jul 2002
              • 5312

              #306
              Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

              Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
              Yeah both of them were Div 1 national wrestling champs, so they were equal wrestling. Brock just tried to to intimidate him with his size by bull rushing him. Cain wasn't scared and just picked him apart with technique.
              Cain was a Junior College National Champion and a 2x All American at ASU. Brock was a Junior College and NCAA National Champion and was an All American his junior year as well. To be a All American at the NCAA level you must place 8th or better at the national tournament.
              I've heard this "patience is a virtue" junk all my life. I'm happy to say I have no virtue, no scruples, and no desire to wait too long for anything. In my humble opinion instant gratification takes too long!

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              • The Chef
                Moderator
                • Sep 2003
                • 13684

                #307
                Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                Originally posted by aholbert32
                I just think it was a crappy gameplan not equal wrestling. I dont know why they thought they could bumrush Cain. I know you didnt want to keep it standing long but I think Brock's exhaustion was an equal reason for the loss with Cain's technical punching.
                Agree, Lesnar's gameplan of rushing him like that was the opposite of everything hes done in the past. I dont know who you give to Lesnar next as Im just not that interested in seeing him fight Mir again or Nelson for that matter. I guess you could always do a rematch with Carwin if he beats Nelson but Im only slightly interested in that one. I guess we will see.
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                • Beantown
                  #DoYourJob
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 31523

                  #308
                  Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                  Originally posted by XFactah416
                  Brock is a really good HW still. Cain is the future though, and tonight is why he was so highly thought of.
                  The scary part is...Brock still has a lot of future left in him, too, and is still learning. This was his, what, 6th or 7th MMA fight? Maybe a little more than that, but that was my quick math, so Brock really is still going to keep learning and if he can ever get the mental/technical side of MMA down within the next two years or so before he's 35, he'll still have the physical attributes and the athleticism to be a force.

                  And not to mention he missed an incredibly large chunk of training time while he was sick.

                  Calling Brock overrated, in any sense other than the fact that Cain proved the "unbeatable" calls were as nonsensical as most fans realized they were when said, is overreacting.

                  (Not saying you were, just piggy backing off your post)


                  Now, the important part of this fight: with guys like Cain, and Brock, and Dos Santos the next couple of years should be fun at the heavyweight division again.

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                  • Gibbz
                    All Star
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 8240

                    #309
                    Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                    Now my man JDS gets a crack at the title. I can't wait to see that fight.

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #310
                      Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                      Originally posted by The Chef
                      Agree, Lesnar's gameplan of rushing him like that was the opposite of everything hes done in the past. I dont know who you give to Lesnar next as Im just not that interested in seeing him fight Mir again or Nelson for that matter. I guess you could always do a rematch with Carwin if he beats Nelson but Im only slightly interested in that one. I guess we will see.
                      I dont think the timing works for Carwin though. Carwin is fighting Nelson in Jan and because of Cain's short work I promise you Dana is trying to have him fight in the early Spring. So that means the fight after the Dos Santos fight will probably be in the Summer. I dont think Shane will get in two fights before Summer.

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                      • Gotmadskillzson
                        Live your life
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 23442

                        #311
                        Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                        Was it a liver shot? Cain has excellent pin-point accuracy with those hands and feet. A liver shot is almost impossible to overcome.
                        That what it looked like, because soon as he got hit there he went down and started spinning and stumbling out of control trying to stand upright. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

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                        • LingeringRegime
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 17089

                          #312
                          Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                          Brock will be back for sure. I just think that Cain is a bad matchup for him. Brock made the mistake of bullrushing too quick, and since Cain is patient and methodical he made him pay. If Cain can get by Dos Santos, he may have the belt for a lengthy time. If he loses the belt I can see Lesnar regain the belt.

                          Uneasy feelings for the win...

                          Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ
                          I am a Brock fan, but I have a feeling that Cain is going to win early in the 1st round. Via TKO or KO. Just have that uneasy feeling.

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                          • Sheamazin
                            LETS GO METS!!!
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 2698

                            #313
                            Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                            The Hybrid made some noise in the HW division. Lesnar Vs. Shaub on the same card as Cain vs Junior. Just saying. Its not like the HW division is stacked with #1 contenders
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                            • CYST2000
                              Pro
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 555

                              #314
                              Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                              Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
                              That what it looked like, because soon as he got hit there he went down and started spinning and stumbling out of control trying to stand upright. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
                              If thats the case, then consider Cain the new El Guapo. Bas Rutten should be proud.
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                              • Bighoff
                                The Bird is the word
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 5312

                                #315
                                Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                                Originally posted by Bona Fide
                                No. Brock's wrestling was vastly overrated when compared to Cain's. Brock wrestled in a lot weaker HW division than Cain. Also, Cain adapts his wrestling better to MMA. Brock is obviously a great wrestler, but taking down Frank Mir and Heath Herring is a lot different than talking down Cain Velasquez.

                                It was just ridiculous how many people counted Cain out because Brock was this super wrestler who can't be stopped.
                                Waaaaaay off base here man, Brock wrestled in a stacked HW division his 2 years at Minnesota. His Jr. year he lost to Stephen Neal from CSU Bakersfield, Neal was a two time NCAA HW champion who went 151-10 in college, placing 4th as a freshman and 2nd as a sophomore. Neal was also the 1999 HWT Freestyle World Champion.
                                I've heard this "patience is a virtue" junk all my life. I'm happy to say I have no virtue, no scruples, and no desire to wait too long for anything. In my humble opinion instant gratification takes too long!

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