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  • The Chef
    Moderator
    • Sep 2003
    • 13684

    #31
    re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

    Anyone see the poster for this card? I swear the guy on it doesnt look anything like Rashad, maybe its just me but it doesnt look like him in the least.

    http://www.twitch.tv/kitm9891

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    • redsrule
      All Star
      • Apr 2010
      • 9396

      #32
      re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

      Originally posted by Phillmattic
      Rashad is becoming the most complete fighter at LHW and Shogun's wrestling leaves a lot to be desired. I strongly believe Rashad is getting the belt back.
      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      Now, I don't have a whole lot against what you said, but I'm just curious as to how you came to that conclusion?

      He's looked anything but elite in his last 3 fights.

      Combat sports is so different from any other sport, to me it isn't reasonable to make any sort of sharp conclusions or predictions.. but if I were to make one, I would say Rua keeps Shad at a distance with his lethal striking. Shad is definitely an easier target to hit than Machida, and Shad definitely got caught against Rampage.

      I really don't think Shad is going to try too much to get too close to Rua to use his wrestling, and I don't think Shad's stand up overall is anywhere near Rua's.

      I really don't see Shad getting his belt back.
      I think Rashad can get his belt back. Rashad has good gnp, when he uses it. Rashad hasnt looked good lately, and I think Shogun will win the fight, Rashad certainly can win it.
      Originally posted by The Chef
      Anyone see the poster for this card? I swear the guy on it doesnt look anything like Rashad, maybe its just me but it doesnt look like him in the least.

      Your right. It doesnt look like him.
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      • Phillmattic
        MVP
        • May 2003
        • 1071

        #33
        re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        Now, I don't have a whole lot against what you said, but I'm just curious as to how you came to that conclusion?

        He's looked anything but elite in his last 3 fights.

        Combat sports is so different from any other sport, to me it isn't reasonable to make any sort of sharp conclusions or predictions.. but if I were to make one, I would say Rua keeps Shad at a distance with his lethal striking. Shad is definitely an easier target to hit than Machida, and Shad definitely got caught against Rampage.

        I really don't think Shad is going to try too much to get too close to Rua to use his wrestling, and I don't think Shad's stand up overall is anywhere near Rua's.

        I really don't see Shad getting his belt back.
        Rua throughout his career has never been great preventing himself from being taken down. Rashad is definitely the best wrestler in the division and with his explosiveness it shouldn't take long before he's able to get Rua down. I can see Rua preventing Rashad from doing too much damage and even getting up a lot but Tashad will most likely repeatedly take him down and win a unanimous decision.

        Rua said he's been training his wrestling but there is no way he is going to keep a wrestler of Rashad's ability from putting him on his back.

        Also when you look at Rua's striking, while technically his stand up is far beyond Rashad's you have to remember he is a muay Thai guy that is most effective when he's able to utilize his kicks. Not the best strategy to throw kicks at wrestlers.
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        • goh
          Banned
          • Aug 2003
          • 20755

          #34
          re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

          Yup. 5 round 50-45 for Rashad. Said it soon as Shogun won the belt. He hasn't faced a single in their prime wrestler and hasn't faced a wrestler in a cage. I really can't see Shogun winning. Unless 'Shad stupidly decides to stand. Don't know why he would.

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #35
            re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            Now, I don't have a whole lot against what you said, but I'm just curious as to how you came to that conclusion?

            He's looked anything but elite in his last 3 fights.

            Combat sports is so different from any other sport, to me it isn't reasonable to make any sort of sharp conclusions or predictions.. but if I were to make one, I would say Rua keeps Shad at a distance with his lethal striking. Shad is definitely an easier target to hit than Machida, and Shad definitely got caught against Rampage.

            I really don't think Shad is going to try too much to get too close to Rua to use his wrestling, and I don't think Shad's stand up overall is anywhere near Rua's.

            I really don't see Shad getting his belt back.
            Agreed. Shad has been caught and in bad shape for the last 3 fights. Machida Ko'd him and Silva and Rampage both caught him in the third round and almost took him out. For those two fights, he was smart and banked the first two rounds so he was able to win a decision. I just dont see him being able to stand with Rua and while Shad's wrestling is top notch I dont see him taking him down for 5 rounds.

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            • Phillmattic
              MVP
              • May 2003
              • 1071

              #36
              re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

              You also have to look at the circumstances of Rashad's last three fights when he found himself in trouble.

              Against Machida he didn't even try to use his wrestling.

              Against Silva he pretty much had the fight won until he was baited into lowering his guard and getting caught.

              Against Rampage he pretty much had the fight won until he clumsily shot right into Rampage's knee.
              Not trying to make excuses for him but the last two times were rather "flukey". You also have to remember Rashad's style of grinding an opponent until their tired is super effective, both Silva and Rampage were unable to finish after they had Rashad hurt because they were so tired. I say after 2 1/2 rounds of Rashad pressing Shogun against the cage, switching levels and taking him down, Shogun who's conditioning has been an issue before, won't have anything left for the remainder of the fight.
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              • coreybronco1
                Rookie
                • Oct 2009
                • 126

                #37
                re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                Updated card:

                MAIN CARD
                • Champ Mauricio "Shogun" Rua vs. Rashad Evans (for light-heavyweight title)
                • Urijah Faber vs. Eddie Wineland
                • Jim Miller vs. Kamal Shalorus
                • Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Brendan Schaub
                • Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Nate Marquardt*
                PRELIMINARY CARD
                • Joseph Benavidez vs. Ian Loveland
                • Edson Barboza vs. Anthony Njokuani
                • Kurt Pellegrino vs. Gleison Tibau
                • Ricardo Almeida vs. Mike Pyle*
                • Nick Catone vs. Dan Miller*
                • Luiz Cane vs. Karlos Vemola*
                * - Not officially announced

                I REALLY like this card. 126 and 128 will be huge nights of fights. Not going to give my predictions just yet, but will at a later date. Can't wait to see "The California Kid" in the UFC!

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                • redsrule
                  All Star
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 9396

                  #38
                  re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                  Originally posted by Phillmattic
                  You also have to look at the circumstances of Rashad's last three fights when he found himself in trouble.

                  Against Machida he didn't even try to use his wrestling.

                  Against Silva he pretty much had the fight won until he was baited into lowering his guard and getting caught.

                  Against Rampage he pretty much had the fight won until he clumsily shot right into Rampage's knee.
                  Not trying to make excuses for him but the last two times were rather "flukey". You also have to remember Rashad's style of grinding an opponent until their tired is super effective, both Silva and Rampage were unable to finish after they had Rashad hurt because they were so tired. I say after 2 1/2 rounds of Rashad pressing Shogun against the cage, switching levels and taking him down, Shogun who's conditioning has been an issue before, won't have anything left for the remainder of the fight.
                  Thats if he makes it to the latter part of the fight. Shogun can end it quick, but I do agree that those last two were in the third round, but he still got "Caught" and was hurt badly. I believe rampage would have finished him if not for his bad camp/ ring rust.
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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #39
                    re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                    Thread title change is in order

                    1. I still don't think Evan's wrestling advantage over Rua is that big of an advantage overall, and I'm thrilled Jones is now getting a shot

                    2. I get it, but these promises between training partners is disappointing

                    3. It always surprises me when people are so sure about an outcome in an MMA match, especially when it's featuring two of the best in a division. People are all over the Jones' bandwagon, and rightfully so, but boy oh boy I like Rua still with a slight edge

                    Jones is lowkey wreckless. Also it'll be interesting to see Jones fight against a proven commodity. Bader for all the momentum he had, obviously has never won anything. Jones' first "real" opponent is the current champ... should be very intersting.

                    128 and 129 are just off the charts

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                    • Noles4ever
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1675

                      #40
                      Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                      Big Jones fan, he's my favorite mma fighter. I agree Shogun should be the slight favorite, It's going to be a exciting fight though.

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                      • Phillmattic
                        MVP
                        • May 2003
                        • 1071

                        #41
                        Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                        This has to be extremely disappointing for Rashad, this definitely was an ideal match up for him.

                        This is an interesting match up now because Jones does possess the tools to beat Rua. He's much bigger than Rua and is a really strong wrestler and has shown much better top control than Rashad, although Thiago Silva and Rampage Jackson are probably much tougher to keep down than anyone Jones has faced.
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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #42
                          Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                          Originally posted by Phillmattic
                          This has to be extremely disappointing for Rashad, this definitely was an ideal match up for him.

                          This is an interesting match up now because Jones does possess the tools to beat Rua. He's much bigger than Rua and is a really strong wrestler and has shown much better top control than Rashad, although Thiago Silva and Rampage Jackson are probably much tougher to keep down than anyone Jones has faced.
                          My big questions for Jones are:

                          1) Does he have the stamina to go 5 rounds against Rua?
                          2) Can he take a strike from a high level striker like Rua?
                          3) Is 6 weeks enough time to prepare for Rua?

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                          • Phillmattic
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 1071

                            #43
                            Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            My big questions for Jones are:

                            1) Does he have the stamina to go 5 rounds against Rua?
                            2) Can he take a strike from a high level striker like Rua?
                            3) Is 6 weeks enough time to prepare for Rua?
                            1) I think it depends on what type of fight he brings. Stylistically Machida was a dream fight for Shogun because he was able to use his muay Thai and just strike with Machida which honestly, at that pace Shogun could probably go all day. If Jones uses his wrestling and is able to maintain top control then as the fight goes on we'll start to see Rua fade.

                            2) probably not. Jones stands flat footed and has that big lean body, Shogun would leg and body kick him to death..

                            3) good question. Shogun has so much experience, it is goinc to be difficult to.
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                            • Gotmadskillzson
                              Live your life
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 23440

                              #44
                              Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                              I think it will be a good fight just from the fact Jones has a 84 1/2 inch reach. People keep forgetting that. Sure Rua has powerful kicks and a powerful punch, BUT, you got to be able to get close up on a person 1st in order to use it.

                              And honestly I think Jones will just take Rua down to the ground and elbow him to death. BJJ don't mean jack if the guy on top of you is stronger. And Jones don't ground n pound from inside of the guard, he always ground n pounds from side control.

                              Sherdog said it best on Beat Down After The Bell last night, Rua is a powerful puncher but he isn't a technical striker when it comes to his hands.

                              Seeing Jones man handle Bader on the ground, I am pretty sure he can do the same to Rua. Now if Jones gets reckless then yeah Rua can catch him in a submission off his back.

                              Either way should be a good fight.

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                              • goh
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 20755

                                #45
                                Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

                                New oppoent,exact same thing applies. Still a (not even) in their prime wrestler in a cage. The only new thing is now Shogun has to deal with the range for however long they stand which makes it harder for Shogun. Bader landed a great shot on Jones last night and it didn't do anything. As long as Jones doesn't try anything flashy much or stand for too long to let Shogun figure out the range and sticks to wrestling he should have it.

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