UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

[allBthere]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

Good countdown special last night. I really have no idea which way I'm leaning in the Bones/Shogun fight after watching it. You can make good cases for both guys really. I just hope we get an exciting fight in the end. Even with a loss it's not like either of them will drop too much in the rankings.

i think it's as simple as can bones keep him down. That's what determines the fight in my eyes. That's why so many are leaning Bones...you can't win on your back.

on a side note, a bunch of cards ago the question was brought up when does bones get the title shot after he beat vera. I said 2-3 and many said 5-6 ...it should be clear now you don't have to grind your way up like that if you're exciting and decidedly beat/finish your opponents. There is no 'development' it's into the shark tank you go.

I'll be pulling for Shogun, I'd like to see someone hold on to the belt for at least half of 2011 lol, plus I love MT and love when guys are effective with it in MMA.

[TheShizNo1]

Isn't Rua pretty good at BJJ? Meaning he could finish a fight from the bottom.

[fpac]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

on a side note, a bunch of cards ago the question was brought up when does bones get the title shot after he beat vera. I said 2-3 and many said 5-6 ...it should be clear now you don't have to grind your way up like that if you're exciting and decidedly beat/finish your opponents. There is no 'development' it's into the shark tank you go.

He would still be 1 or 2 fights away from the title shot if Rashad doesn't get hurt and Rampage didn't turn the fight down first.

[goh]

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Isn't Rua pretty good at BJJ? Meaning he could finish a fight from the bottom.

People keep pitching this but the fact is the man has exactly ONE win by submission. Against a 35 year old Kevin Randleman. Oh wait he has fought a wrestler in a cage. A 45 year old Mark Coleman it took 3 rounds to finish. I remember that one now. Someone here said it was like a drunk dad trying to fight his drunk son. First time Shogun/Coleman fought Shogun ended up with a broken arm defending a takedown.

So yes barring Jones doing something stupid he should have this.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Yeah Shogun not that great in BJJ. He just knows the basic moves that damn near every MMA fighter knows - triangle, knee bar, arm bar.

And yep I remember that fight in Pride, Shogun tried to put a triangle choke on Coleman and Coleman power bombed his arse and Shogun arm snapped when he tried to break his fall with one arm, instead of just absorbing the slam on his back.

And that kneebar he caught Randleman in wasn't anything special. Randleman left his leg there and didn't even attempt to protect it.

Not all Brazilian guys are top level BJJ black belts......

[TheShizNo1]

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Not all Brazilian guys are top level BJJ black belts......

Never ever said that. And I hope you're not insisting that I was thinking or meant that. I just thought I heard or read he's ok off his back if a fight ever got there. I don't remember seeing too many fighters try and take him down.

[goh]

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Yes you have read that but ya know...not a ton of in fight evidence,especially in terms that he can effectively use it when being pressured/up against a cage. I believe Randleman and Coleman were the only wrestlers he's actually fought and they were past prime so no,not a lot of people had tried to take him down. Machida had no trouble taking him down,just couldn't keep him down but Machida isn't Jones in that department. Jones has dominated 2 top level wrestlers,taking them down,keeping them down and pounding them out/getting a sub. (Sadly due to incompetence one of them counted against him.)

[ex carrabba fan]

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He would still be 1 or 2 fights away from the title shot if Rashad doesn't get hurt and Rampage didn't turn the fight down first.

Exactly. There are so many variables that go into it, but I don't think he doesn't deserve a shot. I mean who else is there outside of Rampage? Either Rampage or Jones getting a shot doesn't bother me, I don't get why this should even be mentioned or questioned.

[goh]

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Standing, I don't know about that, his legs are hell of skinny and Shogun will chop at it all night long. Actually that is what Shogun said what he would do on Countdown.

Forgot to comment on this. While I agree Shogun has a decent chance standing throwing a ton of leg kicks against such a good wrestler isn't the best gameplan ever. Plus I doubt they're ever fully honest on those things,doesn't make sense to be.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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It would be a no brainer and very stupid if he didn't attack his legs. I know that would be something I would do if I fought somebody with skinny legs like that. You attack their base and his wrestling will be nullified.

Will be kind of hard coming into the later rounds for a wrestler to shoot in for a takedown when their legs are damaged.

[goh]

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Not if he gets taken down on the 3rd kick every round.

[Vast]

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I'm a Shogun fan, but Jones will dominate him. It's not going to be close. Bones will go on to be the new more exciting Anderson Silva.

[Phillmattic]

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Greco roman wrestler with tremendous strength. I still can't believe how easily Jones throws grown men around, especially from the clinch.

One of the most impressive things in my opinion that Jones did against Bader was shoot for a double WAY out of range and secure it easily.

The more I think of this fight the more I have to lean towards Jones. It pretty obvious that Shogun is absolutely terrible at preventing himself from being taken down. Then you have to add in the fact that Jones can deliver big damage from any position on the ground, including full guard.

[Vast]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

Greco roman wrestler with tremendous strength. I still can't believe how easily Jones throws grown men around, especially from the clinch.

One of the most impressive things in my opinion that Jones did against Bader was shoot for a double WAY out of range and secure it easily.

The more I think of this fight the more I have to lean towards Jones. It pretty obvious that Shogun is absolutely terrible at preventing himself from being taken down. Then you have to add in the fact that Jones can deliver big damage from any position on the ground, including full guard.

This.

Then add to the fact that he is alot more dangerous in the Stand-Up than people think. The dude is outrageously long for that weight class. The longest reach for a LHW ever. He can do damage standing up, but whats the point when your an uber wrestler with great technique.

[LingeringRegime]

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I'm a Shogun fan, but Jones will dominate him. It's not going to be close. Bones will go on to be the new more exciting Anderson Silva.

I feel the same way. Bones is just another animal altogether. Totally unpredictable, unorthodox, and his elbows are like lasers.

I expect a first round KO/TKO.