UFC 167 - St. Pierre v. Hendricks

[WizardJay]

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I'm not naive at all. I've been following Boxing for 25 and MMA for 12. Your theory makes no sense though. I know fixes. You could argue Bradley/Pac was a fix because Top Rank wanted a rematch. That makes sense.

No one argued that politics or fixes dont occur in combat sports. Anyway, I'll move on. You arent willing to explain how or why the UFC would fix these fights so your statements hold no weight.

I'm not in the office with them so idk why they would, maybe to keep things more interesting. But its obviouse Rampage Jackson vs Lyoto Machina(sorry for spelling)is another one.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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I'd prefer a rematch between Hendricks and Condit, I actually thought Condit won that fight, but that was another razor close fight

[redsrule]

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It won't happen, but if GSP retires and they need someone to fight for the belt, I suggest like a 8 man tourney for it. Lawler, Hendricks, Woodley, Condit, Shields, Ellenberger, Rory MacDonald and Matt Brown.

[aholbert32]

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Shoot I am willing to bet a lot of money that fights were fixed in Pride. Lots of fishy fights there. There is just not a ton to gain and a LOT to lose from a scandal like that happening in the UFC now. The UFC could lose their Fox deal that pays them 100mil a year, lose their credibility and kiss their small chance of getting into New York goodbye.
Politics obviously happen though, but that is more in regards to matchmaking.

Also its not like Jones is a big draw yet. His biggest ppv buyrate is around 600k. I could understand saying that about GSP or Silva or Lesnar but the UFC has no reason to protect Jones yet.

[aholbert32]

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I'm not in the office with them so idk why they would, maybe to keep things more interesting. But its obviouse Rampage Jackson vs Lyoto Machina(sorry for spelling)is another one.

LOL. That wasnt a fix either.

[redsrule]

Re: UFC 167 - St. Pierre v. Hendricks

LOL. That wasnt a fix either.

I had just forgotten about that fight too. I was so excited for that fight only to get let down bigtime. Rampage won the first 2 rounds imo by doing nothing but having octagon control, considering neither landed **** in the first 2 rounds.

[WizardJay]

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LOL. That wasnt a fix either.

Even Rampage thought he lost, but "it wasn't a fix" OK cool man you got it.

I know your a fan and all, but its not rocket science even a blind man can see this.

I'm done.

[DJ]

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Cant make it an interim if GSP retires. He's been hinting at wanting to start a family and for some reason he feels like he needs to step away from the fight game to make that happen. Also he has the new Captain America movie coming out next year and maybe wants to pursue more acting.

So that would be for the actual belt since GSP is retiring (for now)? Makes sense although we will all view that person as the Interim champ until they fight GSP, whenever he decides to return.

Of course, there's the possibility that GSP could choose to not rerun to the WW division, and just come back for a super fight with Jones and/or Silva. GSP has alluded to wanting to take time off to put on more size if he were going to take those fights, so perhaps that is part of his decision, too, since he has done all there is to do at 170 lbs.

[aholbert32]

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Even Rampage thought he lost, but "it wasn't a fix" OK cool man you got it.

I know your a fan and all, but its not rocket science even a blind man can see this.

I'm done.

Good. I dont know why people would watch a "fixed" sport anyway.

[aholbert32]

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So that would be for the actual belt since GSP is retiring (for now)? Makes sense although we will all view that person as the Interim champ until they fight GSP, whenever he decides to return.

Of course, there's the possibility that GSP could choose to not rerun to the WW division, and just come back for a super fight with Jones and/or Silva. GSP has alluded to wanting to take time off to put on more size if he were going to take those fights, so perhaps that is part of his decision, too, since he has done all there is to do at 170 lbs.

Possible. The problem is he now has unfinished business at 170. If he comes back at 185 w/o giving Hendricks another shot, people will kill him.

[WizardJay]

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Good. I dont know why people would watch a "fixed" sport anyway.

Yeah me either.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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Rewatching. It was round 1 that was the close round. 2 was hendricks. Still round 1 was one of those close rounds where i felt hendricks did a little more, however i couldnt say someone waw idiot for giving it to GSP. GSP rounds 3-5 without question Hendricks 2-4 without question. Round 1 is the round. I thought Hendricks did enough in round 1 to win. But I could see someone disagree.

[Beantown]

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I actually think it's crazier that Dana is saying Hendricks won 4-1 than it is to say GSP won 3-2.

3 and 5 were definitively GSP wins. No question about those two. Hendricks took 2 and 4.

I have to rewatch round 1 to see, but Dana is just going "Hype Machine I hate Nevada" if he really thinks it was 4-1.

[ex carrabba fan]

UFC 167 - St. Pierre v. Hendricks

Dana just got overly emotional last night, shocker. After letting it sink in, I definitely feel like Hendricks should be champ. With that said, with the rules in place, I can possibly see why Gsp is still champ.

Dana kept mentioning "damage" in his post conference comments. He should know the rules and that damage isn't mentioned in the rules for scoring.

With that said, I pray to god scoring gets adjusted. Was it a close fight according to the stats and rounds won? Absolutely. Was there seriously any real doubt as to who should be champ? Not a shred IMO. Again, with the rules in place, I can see why Gsp won. So I'm not going to harp on that. It was not a robbery.

Like I said last night, there could be a dominant 10-9 round and a razor close 10-9 round. Unfortunately in the end those count as equals. So in a 5 round fight if Hendricks had two dominant 10-9 rounds and Gsp had three razor close 10-9 rounds, I would probably consider Hendricks the winner. This scenario has played out recently in a number of fights, I just am blanking in the moment, but I hope somehow scoring is adjusted a bit.


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[speels]

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Ya, I really wish people would stop looking at damage and saying whoever looked the worst, lost. Hitting to the face is really less than 50% of MMA. Leg kicks, knees to the body, and body shots don't do a lot of damage to the outside of the body, but they count for the same number of points as a punch in the nose.

Don't get me wrong, it was a very close fight that could have gone either way, and of course Dana is going to say Hendricks cleaned up, he will be the new champ when GSP retires and Dana always stands up for them, at least until he thinks it's time for a change, a la The Spider.

Anyway, it was a good fight and someone finally was able to give GSP a challenge.