UFC 167 - St. Pierre v. Hendricks

[aholbert32]

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I could've sworn he said he said GSP owed it to the company in his interview with Ariel, but I could be mistaken. Either way, if GSP needs time away, I don't feel he should be pressured into coming back immediately. Dana always says that guys need to be in the right frame of mind for this sport and it seems apparent from last night that GSP has other things on his plate right now.

Pappy,

You were right. He did say he owed to the company and thats is complete BS on Dana's part.

[Beantown]

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According to TMZ (Hahahahaha):

GSP's father is dying and he apparently got some woman pregnant.

So, there's that.

[DJ]

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I thought there were some interesting points made in this article:

http://deadspin.com/the-end-of-georges-st-pierre-1466179060

You do have to wonder if the effects of all the training and time spent fighting in the Octagon have started to catch up with GSP.

[aholbert32]

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I thought there were some interesting points made in this article:

http://deadspin.com/the-end-of-georges-st-pierre-1466179060

You do have to wonder if the effects of all the training and time spent fighting in the Octagon have started to catch up with GSP.

I read it and I thought most of it was BS. I actually wish Joe didnt press GSP to make that statement right after the fight. Joe was just doing his job but GSP was clearly hurt after the fight and wasnt in the right mindstate. This isnt a case of Deadspin hinting at GSP potentially having CTE or some other brain injury from fighting.

Also can we stop the whole CTE/Concussion talk when it comes to combat sports. The point of Boxing/MMA is to cause a concussion and knock a person out. This isnt like football where the NFL actively tried to hide the effects of football from its players. Any person who has followed combat sports knows that brain injury is a possible result from fighting. Its the choice they make when they decide to put on the gloves.

I agree with Deadspin's point about Dana being completely out of line after the fight. Its yet another case of Dana speaking to the press before he gets the full story. The fact that he spoke to Helwani on camera before talking to GSP and getting the real story is ridiculous.

[DJ]

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I read it and I thought most of it was BS. I actually wish Joe didnt press GSP to make that statement right after the fight. Joe was just doing his job but GSP was clearly hurt after the fight and wasnt in the right mindstate. This isnt a case of Deadspin hinting at GSP potentially having CTE or some other brain injury from fighting.

Also can we stop the whole CTE/Concussion talk when it comes to combat sports. The point of Boxing/MMA is to cause a concussion and knock a person out. This isnt like football where the NFL actively tried to hide the effects of football from its players. Any person who has followed combat sports knows that brain injury is a possible result from fighting. Its the choice they make when they decide to put on the gloves.

I agree with Deadspin's point about Dana being completely out of line after the fight. Its yet another case of Dana speaking to the press before he gets the full story. The fact that he spoke to Helwani on camera before talking to GSP and getting the real story is ridiculous.

100% right about Dana. I usually appreciate his tell-it-like-it-is approach but he just seemed possessed and was spouting off without having all the facts.

I don't know what's going on with GSP, but it wouldn't shock me if he's losing that fire/passion to fight that he had when he was chasing the belt. It's natural, especially for a guy that's been fighting his entire adult life, to lose that competitive drive/edge. And, he wouldn't be the first fighter to go through that, so maybe stepping away, letting his body rest (the training takes so much out of you) for a bit will help re-kindle that flame.

Again, this is all speculation on my part. I don't pretend to know what's going on in GSP's life, so I could be way off, and that's fine. At the end of the day, he has to take care of himself, and that's the most important thing.

[Sandman42]

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I read it and I thought most of it was BS. I actually wish Joe didnt press GSP to make that statement right after the fight. Joe was just doing his job but GSP was clearly hurt after the fight and wasnt in the right mindstate. This isnt a case of Deadspin hinting at GSP potentially having CTE or some other brain injury from fighting.

Also can we stop the whole CTE/Concussion talk when it comes to combat sports. The point of Boxing/MMA is to cause a concussion and knock a person out. This isnt like football where the NFL actively tried to hide the effects of football from its players. Any person who has followed combat sports knows that brain injury is a possible result from fighting. Its the choice they make when they decide to put on the gloves.

I agree with Deadspin's point about Dana being completely out of line after the fight. Its yet another case of Dana speaking to the press before he gets the full story. The fact that he spoke to Helwani on camera before talking to GSP and getting the real story is ridiculous.

How isn't it the case of GSP suffering some potential brain damage? Blurred vision is a clear symptom of getting punched in the head hundreds of times. The inability to sleep could be too, but it could also be because of GSP dealing with his father who is in bad shape.

Everyone knows that traumatic brain injury can come from fighting, but there's something to be said for getting out before some real traumatic damage is done, like people are hinting with GSP. You'd much rather have that than fighters turning up like Gary Goodridge.

I'll give the UFC credit though that they've always handled concussions better than the NFL. Fighters fight 2-3 times a year, and in cases where they do get knocked out, athletic commissions issue 90 day suspensions to the fighters. Much better than the NFL who 3-4 years ago was putting players right out there a quarter after being knocked out.

[DJ]

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How isn't it the case of GSP suffering some potential brain damage? Blurred vision is a clear symptom of getting punched in the head hundreds of times. The inability to sleep could be too, but it could also be because of GSP dealing with his father who is in bad shape.

Everyone knows that traumatic brain injury can come from fighting, but there's something to be said for getting out before some real traumatic damage is done, like people are hinting with GSP. You'd much rather have that than fighters turning up like Gary Goodridge.

I'll give the UFC credit though that they've always handled concussions better than the NFL. Fighters fight 2-3 times a year, and in cases where they do get knocked out, athletic commissions issue 90 day suspensions to the fighters. Much better than the NFL who 3-4 years ago was putting players right out there a quarter after being knocked out.

Yeah, and that's why I have no issue if GSP wants to walk away if he's concerned about his long-term health. Taking all those beatings in fights AND training is rough, and when you've done it for over a decade with not a lot of down time (aside from recovering from the ACL), that has to take a toll.

I get what Bert is saying and it is a risk all fighters willingly take when they go into this line of work, but that doesn't mean they have to do it forever, even if they are the most-popular fighter in the sport.

[aholbert32]

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How isn't it the case of GSP suffering some potential brain damage? Blurred vision is a clear symptom of getting punched in the head hundreds of times. The inability to sleep could be too, but it could also be because of GSP dealing with his father who is in bad shape.

Everyone knows that traumatic brain injury can come from fighting, but there's something to be said for getting out before some real traumatic damage is done, like people are hinting with GSP. You'd much rather have that than fighters turning up like Gary Goodridge.

I'll give the UFC credit though that they've always handled concussions better than the NFL. Fighters fight 2-3 times a year, and in cases where they do get knocked out, athletic commissions issue 90 day suspensions to the fighters. Much better than the NFL who 3-4 years ago was putting players right out there a quarter after being knocked out.

My point is that's reckless to speculate that GSP 's blurred vision and insomnia is a case of permanent brain damage or CTE.

I'm not saying that Gsp doesn't have the right to walk away from the sport. My issue was with the author's assertion that concussions in the nfl are similar to those in combat sports.


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[hogfan]

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http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/17/did-johny-hendricks-tap-out-in-ufc-167-headliner-evidence-is-thin-at-best/

Just to keep the conversation going.

[DJ]

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My point is that's reckless to speculate that GSP 's blurred vision and insomnia is a case of permanent brain damage or CTE.

I'm not saying that Gsp doesn't have the right to walk away from the sport. My issue was with the author's assertion that concussions in the nfl are similar to those in combat sports.


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I agree with you about the speculating about CTE. That is jumping to conclusions.

Saying he had concussion-like symptoms would've been more accurate. Heck, Evans did look at GSP and clearly knew he wasn't right; those guys have trained a lot together, so Rashad would have a pretty good idea and wouldn't shoot GSP those kind of looks if he wasn't messed up.

The biggest problem I still have post-fight is Dana saying GSP owes the UFC and the fans an immediate rematch. GSP has made himself a lot of money, thus in turn, making the UFC a lot of money. If he is going through some personal stuff, let him work it out and come back when and if he is ready. GSP doesn't owe the UFC anything at this point in his career. He's defended the belt against everyone the UFC has thrown at him, he's coached on the Ultimate Fighter, he's taken fights on short notice. By all accounts, he's been a model employee.

If Dana keeps pushing GSP's buttons, especially when he's in a vulnerable emotional state, it'll be a lot easier for GSP to tell the UFC to stick it and go try his hand at being the next Cung Le or whatever it is he may want to do. Again, GSP has been the company's biggest star; he should be treated with a little more respect.

When I think about it more, Rogan, Dana and co. knew GSP was stepping away (even if they denied it publicly) after the fight, so that could explain why they were saying Hendricks clearly won, since had that happened, GSP would've been allowed to walk away and come back on his own terms.

[The Chef]

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I agree with you about the speculating about CTE. That is jumping to conclusions.

Saying he had concussion-like symptoms would've been more accurate. Heck, Evans did look at GSP and clearly knew he wasn't right; those guys have trained a lot together, so Rashad would have a pretty good idea and wouldn't shoot GSP those kind of looks if he wasn't messed up.

The biggest problem I still have post-fight is Dana saying GSP owes the UFC and the fans an immediate rematch. GSP has made himself a lot of money, thus in turn, making the UFC a lot of money. If he is going through some personal stuff, let him work it out and come back when and if he is ready. GSP doesn't owe the UFC anything at this point in his career. He's defended the belt against everyone the UFC has thrown at him, he's coached on the Ultimate Fighter, he's taken fights on short notice. By all accounts, he's been a model employee.

If Dana keeps pushing GSP's buttons, especially when he's in a vulnerable emotional state, it'll be a lot easier for GSP to tell the UFC to stick it and go try his hand at being the next Cung Le or whatever it is he may want to do. Again, GSP has been the company's biggest star; he should be treated with a little more respect.

When I think about it more, Rogan, Dana and co. knew GSP was stepping away (even if they denied it publicly) after the fight, so that could explain why they were saying Hendricks clearly won, since had that happened, GSP would've been allowed to walk away and come back on his own terms.

I think my biggest issue is the complete blowup by Dana over GSP wanting to take some time away. When Anderson Silva says it Dana says nothing, when Brock Lesnar wanted to hunt more he said nothing, when BJ Penn retired then unretired he said nothing but suddenly GSP wants to take a break and all hell breaks loose. I know the circumstances are different to a degree but then why didnt he blow up over the Jones/Gustaffson decision as that was fairly similar to this one. So one way or the other Dana is completely inconsistent with the way he reacts and that part annoys me more then anything.

[The Chef]

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Dana White is further embarassing himself and its getting to the point that Ive lost all respect for him. Dana was quoted as saying..

You owe it to the fans, you owe it to that belt, you owe to this company, and you owe it to Johny Hendricks to give him that opportunity to fight again, unless you’re going to retire. There’s no I’m going to go on a cruise, and I’m going to be gone for two years, and I’m going to take a hiatus…That’s not how it works.

So am I wrong to assume that hes basically saying either defend the belt or retire? Ill say it again, hes never made such a ridiculous comment to other fighters who wanted to take time away, just have an interim belt and get it over with and stop harassing the **** out of your cash cow, its getting stupid ridiculous now. Pretty sure GSP isnt taking time away to go on a cruise, comments like that are assanine and if the rumors are true as to why GSP is wanting to take some time away youd think Dana would support him and just have an interim title fight in the meantime. Its almost gotten to the point that Dana seems pissed GSP won on some sort of personal level, meanwhile hes let Anderson Silva spout off about retiring multiple times, dont recall him lashing out to this degree when Nick Diaz retired, or when BJ Penn took time away, or Brock Lesnar decided he wanted to hunt more then fight etc. Im at the point where I hope GSP tells Dana to shove it up his *** and just retires for good, acting like a child who isnt getting his way has been par for the course with Dana but attacking your #1 draw over and over again because he wants to take time away is beyond even that.

[TheShizNo1]

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Dana said that before he talked with GSP? If so, I'd take it as maybe he felt GSP was just wanting a vacation as opposed to needing time off.

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[XFactah416]

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Dana is an emotional hothead.

You can't take what he says seriously. His word is as valuable as a used car salesman.

However, if you are in his shoes, would you NOT be pissed? The fact of the matter is, he and many thought Johnny Hendricks just won the title. Now, your champion, and your best PPV draw is seemingly announcing his impromptu retirement and about to leave on a tainted victory. Certainly in Dana's eyes, he thinks that GSP "owes" the UFC and Johnny a rematch because it would be the right thing to do, to correct for the sporting "injustice" that occurred.

I'm not saying what Dana said was correct, especially since he probably didn't speak to GSP before to figure out what his problems actually were. But I can assure you Dana doesn't hate GSP by any means; the guy is the biggest PPV draw in the sport for christ's sake, and Dana knows that.

[aholbert32]

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Dana White is further embarassing himself and its getting to the point that Ive lost all respect for him. Dana was quoted as saying..

So am I wrong to assume that hes basically saying either defend the belt or retire? Ill say it again, hes never made such a ridiculous comment to other fighters who wanted to take time away, just have an interim belt and get it over with and stop harassing the **** out of your cash cow, its getting stupid ridiculous now. Pretty sure GSP isnt taking time away to go on a cruise, comments like that are assanine and if the rumors are true as to why GSP is wanting to take some time away youd think Dana would support him and just have an interim title fight in the meantime. Its almost gotten to the point that Dana seems pissed GSP won on some sort of personal level, meanwhile hes let Anderson Silva spout off about retiring multiple times, dont recall him lashing out to this degree when Nick Diaz retired, or when BJ Penn took time away, or Brock Lesnar decided he wanted to hunt more then fight etc. Im at the point where I hope GSP tells Dana to shove it up his *** and just retires for good, acting like a child who isnt getting his way has been par for the course with Dana but attacking your #1 draw over and over again because he wants to take time away is beyond even that.

Let me play devils advocate. When Silva was talking about not fighting for the belt again after he lost to Weidman, Dana reacted similarly and said that there was no way Silva's next fight wasnt going to be for the belt. Also Silva's other retirement hints have always been in random interviews and always contradicted in other interviews. The other 3 people retired off of bad losses and Lesnar's issues were also health related.

Now dont get me wrong. I think Dana was completely out of line and he came off incredibly bad. GSP should be able to take a break if he wants too. Also its not like Dana could do anything about it. He isnt going to cut GSP and GSP doesnt have to take a fight until he is ready. Dana has no leverage here.

Is that a new quote? It looks the same one we've been talking about during the Ariel interview. I havent heard anything similar to that from Dana after he talked to GSP and heard about what his problems were.