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  • Phobia
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2008
    • 11623

    #61
    Re: UFC 200

    I have a sneaky suspicion him and Dana are up to some "next level" drama ****. Conor shocks the world by retiring, he sits out for 6 months or so, then shocks the world again coming back with some big super fight.

    I just don't buy Conor retiring and I surely don't put anything past Dana & his money maker setting up some "business".

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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #62
      Re: UFC 200

      Originally posted by p_rushing
      He is in Iceland or Ireland training. In the past he hasn't liked the all the media stuff because it got in the way of training. He did it to build his value up, but didn't like it off camera/spotlight. He lost and has a lot of stuff to work on. Why would he need to do a mini world tour? Why do media this far out? It's not like they need to do anything to sell UFC200.

      I think he wants to train to fix the issues and then show up in Vegas a few weeks before the fight to promote it. They already have enough big cards leading up to it, so they don't need extra promotion.

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      I dont buy the mini world tour thing. They dont need to do that for 200 especially given that McGregor and Diaz are household names.

      This has been coming down the pike for a while. I love Conor but he has been big timing the UFC for the past year with little stunts like this. He was late to the last two press conferences he's had. He refused to do a post fight press conference after the Aldo win and demanded he do it alone. Its little **** like this.

      My guess is that they do Lawler/Condit 2 and try to get GSP to fight Nate.

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      • p_rushing
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2004
        • 14514

        #63
        Re: UFC 200

        Originally posted by Phobia
        I have a sneaky suspicion him and Dana are up to some "next level" drama ****. Conor shocks the world by retiring, he sits out for 6 months or so, then shocks the world again coming back with some big super fight.

        I just don't buy Conor retiring and I surely don't put anything past Dana & his money maker setting up some "business".
        Unless GSP is back for 200, this hurts Dana a lot. With all the screw-ups that Dana has had lately, a normal person would be fearful of losing their job. Dana would be done if he wasn't such good friends and the Fertittas just don't seem to care.

        Plus they have been trying to sell the UFC, losing Conor even for 6 months when a fight is scheduled is a huge loss.

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        • Phobia
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jan 2008
          • 11623

          #64
          Re: UFC 200

          Originally posted by p_rushing
          Unless GSP is back for 200, this hurts Dana a lot. With all the screw-ups that Dana has had lately, a normal person would be fearful of losing their job. Dana would be done if he wasn't such good friends and the Fertittas just don't seem to care.

          Plus they have been trying to sell the UFC, losing Conor even for 6 months when a fight is scheduled is a huge loss.
          I don't buy that at all, the UFC was fine before Conor and will be fine without him if he does retire. World will move on and so will the UFC.

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          • Pappy Knuckles
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            • Sep 2004
            • 15966

            #65
            Re: UFC 200

            Yep, UFC will be fine. He definitely left this mark, though. uploadfromtaptalk1461165360914.jpg

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            • DJ
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2003
              • 17756

              #66
              Re: UFC 200

              By those numbers, is it wrong for McGregor to ask for his money up front? It's not like Cain Velasquez is the one selling tickets for UFC 200.

              UFC created a monster with McGregor and now they are paying the price for that. They can try and sell people on the idea that Conor wouldn't attend a press conference and that's why they pulled him, but come on, who truly believes that is the reason this fight is now not happening?
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              • aholbert32
                (aka Alberto)
                • Jul 2002
                • 33106

                #67
                Re: UFC 200

                Does ANYONE actually believe that this "retirement" will stick? You guys have seen how McGregor spends his money right?

                He has no other options. He's under contract with the UFC. He cant wrestle. He cant fight for another promotion. ****, he technically cant even make appearances related to MMA.

                The loss for the UFC is a short term one. 200 will likely do 1 million instead of 1.7 million. I would be SHOCKED if he's not back for the New York card.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #68
                  Re: UFC 200

                  Originally posted by DJ
                  By those numbers, is it wrong for McGregor to ask for his money up front? It's not like Cain Velasquez is the one selling tickets for UFC 200.

                  UFC created a monster with McGregor and now they are paying the price for that. They can try and sell people on the idea that Conor wouldn't attend a press conference and that's why they pulled him, but come on, who truly believes that is the reason this fight is now not happening?
                  I honestly believe its the reason they pulled him. There is more to that though. I believe the UFC didnt want to do the Diaz rematch. They think know that a 2nd Conor loss could significantly hurt their cash cow. But Conor forced their hand. He wasnt willing to take any other fight than the Diaz rematch.

                  The GSP negotiations were going slow and they didnt have him as an option for 200 so they needed Conor and agreed to the rematch. He signs the bout agreement and then refuses to attend the press conference.

                  Now keep in mind, NO ONE has ever no showed a press conference except for Nick Diaz and he was pulled from his fight for it. They cant let Conor get away with it because it will cause anarchy amongst the rest of the roster. Also its gives them a chance to pull Conor from a fight they didnt want him to have.

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                  • redsox4evur
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 18169

                    #69
                    Re: UFC 200

                    Originally posted by aholbert32
                    Does ANYONE actually believe that this "retirement" will stick? You guys have seen how McGregor spends his money right?

                    He has no other options. He's under contract with the UFC. He cant wrestle. He cant fight for another promotion. ****, he technically cant even make appearances related to MMA.

                    The loss for the UFC is a short term one. 200 will likely do 1 million instead of 1.7 million. I would be SHOCKED if he's not back for the New York card.
                    I'm 50/50 on it. Like I said in the random thread his friend and teammate just died from a fight last weekend (Friday, if I'm not mistaken). And that can put one's life into perspective. I know if I just lost someone close to me and I was working the same exact job I would consider retirement as well. But on the other hand it's like you said he loves the money is making from the UFC. So I can see why he would stay with the UFC and keep fighting as well.
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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #70
                      Re: UFC 200

                      Originally posted by redsox4evur
                      I'm 50/50 on it. Like I said in the random thread his friend and teammate just died from a fight last weekend (Friday, if I'm not mistaken). And that can put one's life into perspective. I know if I just lost someone close to me and I was working the same exact job I would consider retirement as well. But on the other hand it's like you said he loves the money is making from the UFC. So I can see why he would stay with the UFC and keep fighting as well.
                      FYI, his friend didnt die. His friend killed the guy and Conor was at the fight.

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                      • redsox4evur
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jul 2013
                        • 18169

                        #71
                        Re: UFC 200

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        FYI, his friend didnt die. His friend killed the guy and Conor was at the fight.
                        OK I thought it was his friend who died. And I knew he was at the fight.
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                        • DJ
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 17756

                          #72
                          Re: UFC 200

                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          I honestly believe its the reason they pulled him. There is more to that though. I believe the UFC didnt want to do the Diaz rematch. They think know that a 2nd Conor loss could significantly hurt their cash cow. But Conor forced their hand. He wasnt willing to take any other fight than the Diaz rematch.

                          The GSP negotiations were going slow and they didnt have him as an option for 200 so they needed Conor and agreed to the rematch. He signs the bout agreement and then refuses to attend the press conference.

                          Now keep in mind, NO ONE has ever no showed a press conference except for Nick Diaz and he was pulled from his fight for it. They cant let Conor get away with it because it will cause anarchy amongst the rest of the roster. Also its gives them a chance to pull Conor from a fight they didnt want him to have.
                          For sure, you're right on the money with the Diaz rematch; no one outside of McGregor himself wanted that fight to happen, especially at 170 pounds again.

                          That said, UFC pulling a guy for not wanting to do media (for all we know now, it was a press conference and a commercial) comes off as a questionable decision. Him missing 1 press conference is going to kill the promotion for the fight? I don't think so. Here's a guy that's twice saved cards by fighting very tough replacement fighters with less than 2 weeks' notice. The media he did for those fights was as much and maybe more than what even Rousey does for fights, not to mention he also spent time coaching The Ultimate Fighter.

                          So, is it fair for UFC to keep pushing McGregor out there for media, and then the one time he resists, they pull a fight from him? That doesn't make the UFC look good.

                          Then, there's also the fact that McGregor was in attendance for a fight that saw a man die due to injuries sustained in the cage. That's got to mess with your head a bit. Even if he did go to Iceland to resume training, I'm sure it's weighing heavily on his mind. UFC can't give him some time in isolation to get his head right?

                          If anything, McGregor was bordering on being over-exposed, so his absence from most media events (I would've had him do 1-2 exclusive sit-down interviews and that's it, aside from fight week), I think, would've actually helped the promotion of this fight. You've got Diaz running his mouth about how McGregor's scared and doesn't want the fight, all while McGregor is in Iceland with no cameras around (showing he's taking this fight seriously) prepping for the fight.

                          Fight Week comes. McGregor's in Vegas. Boom. Every media outlet looking for a soundbite. Articles written. Tweets composed.

                          The fight sells itself, man.
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                          • redsox4evur
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                            • Jul 2013
                            • 18169

                            #73
                            Re: UFC 200

                            Originally posted by DJ
                            For sure, you're right on the money with the Diaz rematch; no one outside of McGregor himself wanted that fight to happen, especially at 170 pounds again.

                            That said, UFC pulling a guy for not wanting to do media (for all we know now, it was a press conference and a commercial) comes off as a questionable decision. Him missing 1 press conference is going to kill the promotion for the fight? I don't think so. Here's a guy that's twice saved cards by fighting very tough replacement fighters with less than 2 weeks' notice. The media he did for those fights was as much and maybe more than what even Rousey does for fights, not to mention he also spent time coaching The Ultimate Fighter.

                            So, is it fair for UFC to keep pushing McGregor out there for media, and then the one time he resists, they pull a fight from him? That doesn't make the UFC look good.

                            Then, there's also the fact that McGregor was in attendance for a fight that saw a man die due to injuries sustained in the cage. That's got to mess with your head a bit. Even if he did go to Iceland to resume training, I'm sure it's weighing heavily on his mind. UFC can't give him some time in isolation to get his head right?

                            If anything, McGregor was bordering on being over-exposed, so his absence from most media events (I would've had him do 1-2 exclusive sit-down interviews and that's it, aside from fight week), I think, would've actually helped the promotion of this fight. You've got Diaz running his mouth about how McGregor's scared and doesn't want the fight, all while McGregor is in Iceland with no cameras around (showing he's taking this fight seriously) prepping for the fight.

                            Fight Week comes. McGregor's in Vegas. Boom. Every media outlet looking for a soundbite. Articles written. Tweets composed.

                            The fight sells itself, man.
                            Except if you let one guy get away with missing media obligations you have to do it for everyone or else the rest of the fighters are going to be pissed that McGregor can do it and they can't. It would turn into no fights being promoted at all. Most of the guys hate having the media obligations but do them so that way they can stay on the card and make money. Also don't forget this isn't some new thing, pulling a fighter because he refused a media obligation. Diaz did back in '11 when he was going to fight GSP for the belt. But he didn't show up for a presser and was subsequently pulled from the card. And the only reason he got back onto that card was because GSP had back out of the BJ Penn due to an injury. Had GSP never gotten injured there is no shot that Diaz would've been back on that card.
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                            • DJ
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 17756

                              #74
                              Re: UFC 200

                              Originally posted by redsox4evur
                              Except if you let one guy get away with missing media obligations you have to do it for everyone or else the rest of the fighters are going to be pissed that McGregor can do it and they can't. It would turn into no fights being promoted at all. Most of the guys hate having the media obligations but do them so that way they can stay on the card and make money. Also don't forget this isn't some new thing, pulling a fighter because he refused a media obligation. Diaz did back in '11 when he was going to fight GSP for the belt. But he didn't show up for a presser and was subsequently pulled from the card. And the only reason he got back onto that card was because GSP had back out of the BJ Penn due to an injury. Had GSP never gotten injured there is no shot that Diaz would've been back on that card.
                              What fighter wouldn't want to be on the same card as McGregor? If he's drawing the biggest gates and selling the most PPV's, isn't that the point?

                              It's OK to treat your superstars as superstars. If McGregor can crack 1 million PPV buys and draw a big live gate without having to do media, who is that hurting? Nobody. Sure, other fighters may not love doing media, but you know what, McGregor understood how to play the game and played it better than anyone else has before in the UFC. Chael Sonnen certainly ranks up there and Tito Ortiz from back when the UFC under Zuffa was getting off the ground, was good at building up his name as well.

                              If these fighters would show some personality, they'd be bigger stars. Fighters need to stop saying "I'll just fight whoever the UFC gives me." You're not selling yourself with that promo time, fellas and ladies. Be bombastic. Call out a guy you really want to fight, and let the fans know why you want this fight. It's not complicated.

                              Due to being loud, in your face, brash and cocky, not to mention backing up his talk in the Octagon, McGregor built himself up into the biggest star in the company in what, 2 years? He's actually in a position of power and I don't think the UFC likes it all.

                              And yes, you can make the counter argument that without UFC, nobody would know who Conor McGregor is. I agree 100% there, but there comes a time when you've got to evolve as a business and take care of your top draws. Again, Conor not doing media (or limited engagements) isn't going to adversely affect UFC 200 ... unless he's not on the card. He's off the card now, so let's see how the PPV's look when he's not there.

                              For all the flak Vince McMahon gets as a promoter, he has always understood that his top guy can be treated a little differently than the rest of the roster. It has proven to be a successful business model for WWE.
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                              • p_rushing
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                                • Feb 2004
                                • 14514

                                #75
                                Re: UFC 200

                                The UFC will survive, but it will be down without him. All the stars are old, injured, or can't drive/stay off drugs. Conor was the draw for the UFC. Without Conor, the selling price drops a ton, they are back to 800k PPV being great, UFC200 maybe not even doing 1million, etc.

                                The UFC is at a crossroads. Before you had Pride and a lot of those fighters came to the UFC. So you had instant stars without any buildup needed. Then you had Strikeforce who was building stars and those title holders are actually holding UFC titles. The UFC has a big issue on building actual stars in the UFC. The lightweight guys all started in WEC. So Jones and maybe Ronda (although staying in Strikeforce she could have done the same thing) are really the only ones who came to the UFC and became famous. Conor does it and now the UFC is looking to control him because he is too big.

                                The UFC needs stars or all of a sudden they are really overexposed.

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