UFC 200

[fishingtime]

Re: UFC 200

Only reason Conor would forfeit belt is if the move to LW was permanent. Kavanagh said in the past he didn't like Conor cutting to FW. Until Conor officially retires or says he is done with FW I can't imagine ufc taking his belt

Yeah, they have said that they didn't think Conor would be fighting in FW anymore at one time. I can see him making the move permanently. The weight cuts are too harsh.

[aholbert32]

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If he moves up to lightweight, he would have to forfeit the belt. Could play it smart and try to do something like that. Would be awkward to see him able to hold the belt hostage when the UFC makes interim titles like crazy nowadays.

Under the standard UFC agreement, you cant forfeit a belt without the UFC's permission. I recall hearing that Randy Couture tried that and he failed.

[fishingtime]

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Under the standard UFC agreement, you cant forfeit a belt without the UFC's permission. I recall hearing that Randy Couture tried that and he failed.

Interesting. I highly doubt they would let him relinquish it because of that clause. You know the UFC is going to do everything to keep him if he is still winning by the end of his contract. He already has his own promotion. McGregor Sports and Entertainment. He is posturing to get that as how he will be dealt with if he keeps winning.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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The smart business route is keep Conor off the card as a slap on the wrist for pushing company policy. If I'm a business owner and my BEST employee comes to me asking if he can leave early on Friday because he is just so good, well I can't allow that because every employee would be asking for the same treatment. Same thing applies here, you are making millions of dollars, show some appreciation for the life you get to live(couple weeks out the entire year you have to talk to reporters, come on man up), don't be a self entitled prick who thinks he can make his own rules. Those get fired at most jobs!

This is dicey and problematic. He wasn't given anything, he earned his money and it pales in comparison to what he's made the UFC. He doesn't owe Dana any appreciation. Everyone has eaten these past 2 years.


I actually support Dana pulling the fight but let's not act like Conor should bow at the alter. That's not how it works.

[Phobia]

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This is dicey and problematic. He wasn't given anything, he earned his money and it pales in comparison to what he's made the UFC. He doesn't owe Dana any appreciation. Everyone has eaten these past 2 years.


I actually support Dana pulling the fight but let's not act like Conor should bow at the alter. That's not how it works.

I'd take it you are not a business owner.

Let me use an example, say you opened a supply business. If you took your families last 10,000 dollars, went out and risked going bankrupt to get your business off the ground, then you put in years and years of grinding to make it successful. You believe a employee you hire who makes your company money is entitled to 50% of your business profits? Even though he never footed the risks along side you? Most outside sales reps will make between 7 to 14% of company sales, while they are still making great money they are far from "mutual" partners with the owner, simple fact they didn't risk everything to be successful.

Now I wanted to get that out the way because NO it was not just Conor! He was grinding in other organizations with no financial gain such as being with the UFC. Its was Fertitta's & Dana which turned around a failing UFC, went through the struggle to re-image the company and turn it into a financial success. Before Conor was breaking out record numbers the company was quite alright money wise. So while Conor might be bringing in more money, he certainly isn't the reason for the UFC success and because of that he is an employee........and..........he is still paid very VERY nice. So yes he does owe Dana & the UFC appreciation, without them offering to bring him in you wouldn't even know who he is. He is a mega star because of himself AND the UFC, but that still doesn't mean he is exempt from rules and should receive more of the money he is bringing in.

Hell, if its a money issue, well do like 99% of other business entrepreneurs do, get out there and risk your own money starting a MMA organization. If it succeeds then you are rewarded handsomely.

I guess my point is, its easy to sit back enjoy being in "the pro's" and demand more money. It becomes even easier when you have a spotlight and soap box to stand on which garners attention. That doesn't mean his current "status" and drawing power grants him immunity to rules, company policy, AND to become financial co-owner of the UFC. He is another cog in the working world who is making money for a larger organization. He is young, paid very nicely, and acting like a self entitled prick. Lets not act like the UFC is treating ol McGregor as a slave laborer. He is projected to make over 100 million in his career, yeaaaaa I know its real tough out there for Conor to pay his electric bill. It had to be those 2 weeks of media obligations which was the last straw that broke the camels back and opened his eyes, he is paid to little.

10 years from now Conor McGregor will be retired from the UFC, the UFC will continue on making money & growing. They will have a new top dog which is their "lead salesman" but at the end of the day its not that one employee which has made the company/organization successful. They ALL have company rules to follow and this is why I don't agree with DJ on the "strong arm tactics". If they don't like it then go somewhere else or create your own company. Since when did being an employee of a company and having to follow company policy become a thing of the past?

[redsox4evur]

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I'd take it you are not a business owner.

Let me use an example, say you opened a supply business. If you took your families last 10,000 dollars, went out and risked going bankrupt to get your business off the ground, then you put in years and years of grinding to make it successful. You believe a employee you hire who makes your company money is entitled to 50% of your business profits? Even though he never footed the risks along side you? Most outside sales reps will make between 7 to 14% of company sales, while they are still making great money they are far from "mutual" partners with the owner, simple fact they didn't risk everything to be successful.

Now I wanted to get that out the way because NO it was not just Conor! He was grinding in other organizations with no financial gain such as being with the UFC. Its was Fertitta's & Dana which turned around a failing UFC, went through the struggle to re-image the company and turn it into a financial success. Before Conor was breaking out record numbers the company was quite alright money wise. So while Conor might be bringing in more money, he certainly isn't the reason for the UFC success and because of that he is an employee........and..........he is still paid very VERY nice. So yes he does owe Dana & the UFC appreciation, without them offering to bring him in you wouldn't even know who he is. He is a mega star because of himself AND the UFC, but that still doesn't mean he is exempt from rules and should receive more of the money he is bringing in.

Hell, if its a money issue, well do like 99% of other business entrepreneurs do, get out there and risk your own money starting a MMA organization. If it succeeds then you are rewarded handsomely.

I guess my point is, its easy to sit back enjoy being in "the pro's" and demand more money. It becomes even easier when you have a spotlight and soap box to stand on which garners attention. That doesn't mean his current "status" and drawing power grants him immunity to rules, company policy, AND to become financial co-owner of the UFC. He is another cog in the working world who is making money for a larger organization. He is young, paid very nicely, and acting like a self entitled prick. Lets not act like the UFC is treating ol McGregor as a slave laborer. He is projected to make over 100 million in his career, yeaaaaa I know its real tough out there for Conor to pay his electric bill. It had to be those 2 weeks of media obligations which was the last straw that broke the camels back and opened his eyes, he is paid to little.

10 years from now Conor McGregor will be retired from the UFC, the UFC will continue on making money & growing. They will have a new top dog which is their "lead salesman" but at the end of the day its not that one employee which has made the company/organization successful. They ALL have company rules to follow and this is why I don't agree with DJ on the "strong arm tactics". If they don't like it then go somewhere else or create your own company. Since when did being an employee of a company and having to follow company policy become a thing of the past?

I agree with you. I am actually happy that Dana is putting his foot down by taking his posterboy off the card for. But just wanted to touch on the bold. As has been stated by aholbert and others he essentially he is under contract and unless his contract is up he can't leave the UFC unless the UFC allows him to.

[aholbert32]

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Interesting. I highly doubt they would let him relinquish it because of that clause. You know the UFC is going to do everything to keep him if he is still winning by the end of his contract. He already has his own promotion. McGregor Sports and Entertainment. He is posturing to get that as how he will be dealt with if he keeps winning.

I think co-promotion happens but its not what you think it will be. Co-promotion only happens if you are sharing the cost of the promotion. In Boxing, every major fighter (even guys like Adrien Broner have a company) seems to have his own promotional company but most of them are just vanity companies. They dont make actual revenue from the show.

In order to make revenue, you have to share in the cost. Mayweather pays a portion of the site fee, the PPV guarantee and the cost of ads and promotion. I dont think Conor has enough money for that yet.

Now if he wins a couple more fights and gets a second belt, I can see him having enough leverage and money to become a true co-promoter.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I'd take it you are not a business owner.

Let me use an example, say you opened a supply business. If you took your families last 10,000 dollars, went out and risked going bankrupt to get your business off the ground, then you put in years and years of grinding to make it successful. You believe a employee you hire who makes your company money is entitled to 50% of your business profits? Even though he never footed the risks along side you? Most outside sales reps will make between 7 to 14% of company sales, while they are still making great money they are far from "mutual" partners with the owner, simple fact they didn't risk everything to be successful.

Now I wanted to get that out the way because NO it was not just Conor! He was grinding in other organizations with no financial gain such as being with the UFC. Its was Fertitta's & Dana which turned around a failing UFC, went through the struggle to re-image the company and turn it into a financial success. Before Conor was breaking out record numbers the company was quite alright money wise. So while Conor might be bringing in more money, he certainly isn't the reason for the UFC success and because of that he is an employee........and..........he is still paid very VERY nice. So yes he does owe Dana & the UFC appreciation, without them offering to bring him in you wouldn't even know who he is. He is a mega star because of himself AND the UFC, but that still doesn't mean he is exempt from rules and should receive more of the money he is bringing in.

Hell, if its a money issue, well do like 99% of other business entrepreneurs do, get out there and risk your own money starting a MMA organization. If it succeeds then you are rewarded handsomely.

I guess my point is, its easy to sit back enjoy being in "the pro's" and demand more money. It becomes even easier when you have a spotlight and soap box to stand on which garners attention. That doesn't mean his current "status" and drawing power grants him immunity to rules, company policy, AND to become financial co-owner of the UFC. He is another cog in the working world who is making money for a larger organization. He is young, paid very nicely, and acting like a self entitled prick. Lets not act like the UFC is treating ol McGregor as a slave laborer. He is projected to make over 100 million in his career, yeaaaaa I know its real tough out there for Conor to pay his electric bill. It had to be those 2 weeks of media obligations which was the last straw that broke the camels back and opened his eyes, he is paid to little.

10 years from now Conor McGregor will be retired from the UFC, the UFC will continue on making money & growing. They will have a new top dog which is their "lead salesman" but at the end of the day its not that one employee which has made the company/organization successful. They ALL have company rules to follow and this is why I don't agree with DJ on the "strong arm tactics". If they don't like it then go somewhere else or create your own company. Since when did being an employee of a company and having to follow company policy become a thing of the past?

Yeah, I disagree with all of this but it's not really an MMA discussion so I'm going to bow out.

[Phobia]

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Yeah, I disagree with all of this but it's not really an MMA discussion so I'm going to bow out.

Please share, we are talking the business relationship side of the UFC and its fighters. It is very much an MMA discussion. Another question, would you sign a contract you did not agree with? He wasn't blind sided into these company rules, he willingly signed the contract himself.

[fishingtime]

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I think co-promotion happens but its not what you think it will be. Co-promotion only happens if you are sharing the cost of the promotion. In Boxing, every major fighter (even guys like Adrien Broner have a company) seems to have his own promotional company but most of them are just vanity companies. They dont make actual revenue from the show.

In order to make revenue, you have to share in the cost. Mayweather pays a portion of the site fee, the PPV guarantee and the cost of ads and promotion. I dont think Conor has enough money for that yet.

Now if he wins a couple more fights and gets a second belt, I can see him having enough leverage and money to become a true co-promoter.

True, and you can see with his posts on Facebook that he says he isn't paid to promote. That right there, and some of the other things I have seen points to him wanting to use his own promotion. I think if he keeps doing well, the UFC has no choice but to agree to a co-promotion. They can't lose him if he is still on top bringing people in.

[Money99]

Re: UFC 200

So as a causal and Conor fan instead of buying 200, you buy 201 or 202 or 203 (whenever he returns).... whereas you wouldn't have before, right?

UFC 200 loses some numbers, but another PPV gains some. Short term UFC loses out on some money, but so does Conor... They will both get theirs eventually when he returns. In the end, all of this is a Wash.

True. But I get the sense that Zuffa wants UFC 200 to be a big showstopper. And it should be considering the numerical value.

It's like Super Bowl 100 featuring the Lions and Rough Riders.

[Money99]

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I'd take it you are not a business owner.

Let me use an example, say you opened a supply business. If you took your families last 10,000 dollars, went out and risked going bankrupt to get your business off the ground, then you put in years and years of grinding to make it successful. You believe a employee you hire who makes your company money is entitled to 50% of your business profits? Even though he never footed the risks along side you? Most outside sales reps will make between 7 to 14% of company sales, while they are still making great money they are far from "mutual" partners with the owner, simple fact they didn't risk everything to be successful.

Now I wanted to get that out the way because NO it was not just Conor! He was grinding in other organizations with no financial gain such as being with the UFC. Its was Fertitta's & Dana which turned around a failing UFC, went through the struggle to re-image the company and turn it into a financial success. Before Conor was breaking out record numbers the company was quite alright money wise. So while Conor might be bringing in more money, he certainly isn't the reason for the UFC success and because of that he is an employee........and..........he is still paid very VERY nice. So yes he does owe Dana & the UFC appreciation, without them offering to bring him in you wouldn't even know who he is. He is a mega star because of himself AND the UFC, but that still doesn't mean he is exempt from rules and should receive more of the money he is bringing in.

Hell, if its a money issue, well do like 99% of other business entrepreneurs do, get out there and risk your own money starting a MMA organization. If it succeeds then you are rewarded handsomely.

I guess my point is, its easy to sit back enjoy being in "the pro's" and demand more money. It becomes even easier when you have a spotlight and soap box to stand on which garners attention. That doesn't mean his current "status" and drawing power grants him immunity to rules, company policy, AND to become financial co-owner of the UFC. He is another cog in the working world who is making money for a larger organization. He is young, paid very nicely, and acting like a self entitled prick. Lets not act like the UFC is treating ol McGregor as a slave laborer. He is projected to make over 100 million in his career, yeaaaaa I know its real tough out there for Conor to pay his electric bill. It had to be those 2 weeks of media obligations which was the last straw that broke the camels back and opened his eyes, he is paid to little.

10 years from now Conor McGregor will be retired from the UFC, the UFC will continue on making money & growing. They will have a new top dog which is their "lead salesman" but at the end of the day its not that one employee which has made the company/organization successful. They ALL have company rules to follow and this is why I don't agree with DJ on the "strong arm tactics". If they don't like it then go somewhere else or create your own company. Since when did being an employee of a company and having to follow company policy become a thing of the past?

The problem is, this isn't a typical business and is not part of the 'regular working world'.

Ali, Tyson, Floyd, heck.. Jack Johnson, all broke the rules when they reached mega stardum.
They called their own shots, got title shots when they didn't deserve it, hand-picked opponents... generally ran the business when they were on top.

That's what McGregor sees and wants.
And as much as UFC/MMA fans might hate it, this is precisely what will happen eventually.
McGregor has already started this process. He forced UFC to allow him to fight at 170 and get a rematch at that weight.
That in itself tells you how much pull he has. Eventually, the Mike Tyson of MMA is going to come along and the whole system is going to come down.

[Phobia]

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The problem is, this isn't a typical business and is not part of the 'regular working world'.

Ali, Tyson, Floyd, heck.. Jack Johnson, all broke the rules when they reached mega stardum.
They called their own shots, got title shots when they didn't deserve it, hand-picked opponents... generally ran the business when they were on top.

That's what McGregor sees and wants.
And as much as UFC/MMA fans might hate it, this is precisely what will happen eventually.
McGregor has already started this process. He forced UFC to allow him to fight at 170 and get a rematch at that weight.
That in itself tells you how much pull he has. Eventually, the Mike Tyson of MMA is going to come along and the whole system is going to come down.

How is it any different? Its a regular ol LLC owned by 4 entities of Fertitta brothers, Dana, and Flash Entertainment. It is literally no different than if you opened your own promotion company and put in place company policies for your employees. Sure the fighters might be "contract workers" but they are still employees and responsible for sticking to their employers policies. It is not much different in the regard to the NFL drug policy for states which pot is legal such as Denver. Those players while legally able to take part in their state, will still face disciplinary action from their employer. If they "exempted" certain players because of their "star power" how does that look to all the other employees/players?

Using boxing on how other fighters acted as the base or medium does not mean its the correct direction. Which further goes into my point why it has to be checked by Zuffa other wise they will open a can of **** which they won't be able to correct.

[aholbert32]

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Dana is holding firm. McGregor is off of 200.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: UFC 200

Nate saying he's not going to fight at 200 if it's not Conor, he's going to go on vacation instead. 95% chance it's a ploy to get more money for the fight out of the UFC (Nate's played the run up to this fight and everything since Michael Johnson very well) but it would be hilarious if the whole main event just dropped out. Even though I can't see how a fight with Nate (who I love) is 200 main event worthy if not against Conor or for a belt.