The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

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I was trying to get Steen signed too. Now you've gone and ruined it.



Because it does nothing good for anyone.
It buries the entire current roster. Ryback,The Miz,Daniel Bryan,Chris Jericho,Dolph Ziggler...everyone CM Punk has beaten in the 418 days or whatever it is now. You have a guy that shows up for a month and wins? That's wrestled 9 times in 10 years when there's guys that might wrestle 9 times in a week and can't even get on Raw or SD? Instead of having a guy that hasn't even been there end that long reign...which goes for 'Taker and Lesnar too...they could build a new main eventer on it. It's a slap in the face to guys busting their asses and not even getting on TV. This is why they can't get anyone over. What does winning the title do for The Rock,Brock or Undertaker? Not a damn thing. Unless Rocky is going to hand it over to cousin Roman the next night.

You want to end the longest run in 25 years for a guy to have it for a month then lose it to John ****ing Cena who already won it 10 times and failed to beat Punk numerous times? All that does is **** all over everything and get Cena booed even more than he already is. Does that put anyone over? No. They don't even need to build anyone up to do it. Miz can do it. It'd make him credible again. Worse yet Rock was GIVEN this shot. GIVEN. Not earned in any way what-so-ever. He didn't beat Ryback. He didn't beat Bryan. He didn't beat Ziggler. He didn't beat The Shield. He didn't beat Tyson Kidd. He didn't even beat Zack Ryder or Yoshi Tatsu. He hasn't been there to perform for us so why should he be rewarded? It increases ratings title or not. Shield should've been up his *** the second he showed up because this is the biggest injustice in years. They could've taken him out,put him in no shape to have his match and they would've gotten over further. All the things they could advance with this,all the people they could put over and they want to go backwards. The Rock doesn't even deserve the match let alone the title. So winning it?

How does it bury them? He's The Rock, a legend, one of the greats ever. And he is still, by FAR, the most over guy on the roster. All of those guys have had a year to get over. They haven't. The Miz? Really? The guy hasn't seemed to give half a crap for a year. He's regressed in every way. You want to give that guy the belt? Ryback is over, but he is he over enough to carry the title? Absolutely not.

And The Rock didn't beat those guys you mentioned. But he did beat The Miz. And R-Truth. And John Cena.

I've got a big, shocking revelation for you. This stuff is made up! The only reason Ryback beat anyone is because they decided he should. Who did Ryback beat before he was GIVEN his shot? Jinder Mahal? And a bunch of jobbers. The Rock doesn't have to beat anyone else to be credible. He already is.

This isn't little league. Not everyone gets a shot. You want a shot, go get it. The Rock is the biggest star in the company. There are, literally, only 2 guys in the history of the business more over than this guy (and he's beaten them both at Wrestlemania). The Rock wasn't on tv for a long time. There was plenty of oppurtunity for guys to rise up the ladder. But who is there better to take the title from Punk. Seriously. Name who you would give that too.

It's not always about the rub. It's about the moment. And The Rock beating CM Punk for the WWE Title will get a bigger pop, and create more buzz and excitement than anyone else on the roster. If he was going to win it and not drop the title, I'd be with you 100%. But I disagree wholeheartedly that putting the belt on THE BIGGEST STAR IN THE INDUSTRY is a slap in the face to anyone. You want that spot? Go get it.

Nope, it doesn't work that way at all. The blue briefcase is strictly for a World Heavyweight Championship match only. They are not going to change that at this stage. Only the black briefcase can be cashed in for any title and they don't even have that one anymore since MitB is its own PPV now and not at WrestleMania anymore.

Until the WWE decides it doesn't want it to be that way anymore. Like how Smackdown and Raw were separate - until they weren't. Or the WWE Champion was on both shows - until he wasn't. Or titles have to be defended every 30 days - unless they aren't. Etc. They could make storyline sense of it. If WWE writers decide they want Dolph to cash in on the WWE Champ, he can, since they make all of the rules!

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I was trying to get Steen signed too. Now you've gone and ruined it.

For some reason I've never been a fan of Mr. Wrestling...unique, but I'm not a fan.

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Tyson Kidd is out 10-12 months with what is believed to be a fractured knee and torn ACL. Oddly enough he seemed to have hurt his knee at the house show I was at 2 weeks ago, seemed more than selling. Not sure if he has wrestled since, but it certainly could have been a precursor.

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Tyson Kidd is out 10-12 months with what is believed to be a fractured knee and torn ACL. Oddly enough he seemed to have hurt his knee at the house show I was at 2 weeks ago, seemed more than selling. Not sure if he has wrestled since, but it certainly could have been a precursor.

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How does it bury them? He's The Rock, a legend, one of the greats ever. And he is still, by FAR, the most over guy on the roster. All of those guys have had a year to get over. They haven't. The Miz? Really? The guy hasn't seemed to give half a crap for a year. He's regressed in every way. You want to give that guy the belt? Ryback is over, but he is he over enough to carry the title? Absolutely not.

And The Rock didn't beat those guys you mentioned. But he did beat The Miz. And R-Truth. And John Cena.

I've got a big, shocking revelation for you. This stuff is made up! The only reason Ryback beat anyone is because they decided he should. Who did Ryback beat before he was GIVEN his shot? Jinder Mahal? And a bunch of jobbers. The Rock doesn't have to beat anyone else to be credible. He already is.

This isn't little league. Not everyone gets a shot. You want a shot, go get it. The Rock is the biggest star in the company. There are, literally, only 2 guys in the history of the business more over than this guy (and he's beaten them both at Wrestlemania). The Rock wasn't on tv for a long time. There was plenty of oppurtunity for guys to rise up the ladder. But who is there better to take the title from Punk. Seriously. Name who you would give that too.

It's not always about the rub. It's about the moment. And The Rock beating CM Punk for the WWE Title will get a bigger pop, and create more buzz and excitement than anyone else on the roster. If he was going to win it and not drop the title, I'd be with you 100%. But I disagree wholeheartedly that putting the belt on THE BIGGEST STAR IN THE INDUSTRY is a slap in the face to anyone. You want that spot? Go get it.

How? It's saying "Rock is better than everyone we have now even though he's wrestled 9 times in 10 years and no one else deserves this" that's how. Like I said when this first came up,it's like if Joe Montana and Jerry Rice signed on the 49ers and they handed them the Super Bowl or Jordan and Pippen go back to the Bulls and just hand them the title right now without even going through the rest of the season.

Oh wow he beat Miz and R-Truth over a year ago and Cena 9 months ago. Totally worth a shot! Cena handed his shot to Ryback so at least it meant something. At least Ryback wrestled. At least he's there.

Yes it is made up. So what? He hasn't been there. He has not been giving us even one second of entertainment in any of the 9 hours+ worth of WWE shows per week on any consistant basis. He has not been risking his well being on a weekly basis. He hasn't been traveling around countries away from his friends/family wrestling in matches hardly anyone sees 4-7 times a week. The one match he had in 2012 a lot of people didn't even like. For perspective sake Sheamus wrestled 200+ times in 2012,The Rock wrestled 1.

I see you didn't hear a word Punk said on monday. It doesn't matter how much someone gets over or how good they are. Look what they did to Ryder. He got over,they gave him the US title then buried him and ruined his show. Has Wade Barrett done anything to not be world champion? I don't think so. Gives great promos,can't think of a bad match of his with anyone not named Randy Orton and he's stuck in the mid-card.

I'd give it to anyone I wanted to build up or put back up. It doesn't matter who as long as it isn't someone that's not even there. Hell have a King of the Ring with people that haven't got a shot in at least a year,if at all. It IS slap in the face of everyone that's there,works hard and still doesn't get a chance no matter how talented they are if Rock wins that title. It's also a slap in the face to Punk to end his reign like that. You're right,Rock's a legend. That's exactly it. Legend. His time is past.

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How? It's saying "Rock is better than everyone we have now even though he's wrestled 9 times in 10 years and no one else deserves this" that's how. Like I said when this first came up,it's like if Joe Montana and Jerry Rice signed on the 49ers and they handed them the Super Bowl or Jordan and Pippen go back to the Bulls and just hand them the title right now without even going through the rest of the season.

Only those are real sports and wrestling isn't. Did old *** Hogan winning the title in early 2000s hold back Benoit, Eddie, etc. NO! (as Daniel Bryan would say) because those guys were good enough they got over regardless.

If a guy's good, he'll get over. I'm tired of people blaming WWE when guys don't get the push. Sometimes it's gotta be on the guy to go out and ask for it. That's what Punk did, more guys gotta show that hunger.

Plus people lose sight of the fact that just bc of guy doesn't get a shot at WM doesn't mean he won't get one at the next PPV, or the PPV after that, or next month, etc.

At the end of the day, it's a business first and foremost, not a patronage system. Rock puts asses in seats, that's why he'll get the belt if and when he does. Maybe when Wade Barrett can headline ANY PPV, let alone the biggest one of the year, that's when he'll get the belt.

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Only those are real sports and wrestling isn't. Did old *** Hogan winning the title in early 2000s hold back Benoit, Eddie, etc. NO! (as Daniel Bryan would say) because those guys were good enough they got over regardless.

If a guy's good, he'll get over. I'm tired of people blaming WWE when guys don't get the push. Sometimes it's gotta be on the guy to go out and ask for it. That's what Punk did, more guys gotta show that hunger.

Plus people lose sight of the fact that just bc of guy doesn't get a shot at WM doesn't mean he won't get one at the next PPV, or the PPV after that, or next month, etc.

At the end of the day, it's a business first and foremost, not a patronage system. Rock puts asses in seats, that's why he'll get the belt if and when he does. Maybe when Wade Barrett can headline ANY PPV, let alone the biggest one of the year, that's when he'll get the belt.

In fairness Barrett has headlined PPVs before, WWE just needs to give us a reason to be interested in him being in the title hunt.

I'm a fan of his and he should get the belt at some point, but he needs to define his character and WWE needs to make good decisions with it.

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"Contrary to reports that independent wrestler El Generico has signed with WWE, PWInsider.com is now reporting that Generico has not yet signed with the company - and is currently undergoing WWE's vigorous physical examinations before he's offered a contract.

In the past, there have been several issues that led to WWE signings being delayed (Kassius Ohno & Daniel Bryan) and negotiations breaking down (Nigel McGuiness) pending the results of medical examinations."

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How? It's saying "Rock is better than everyone we have now even though he's wrestled 9 times in 10 years and no one else deserves this" that's how. Like I said when this first came up,it's like if Joe Montana and Jerry Rice signed on the 49ers and they handed them the Super Bowl or Jordan and Pippen go back to the Bulls and just hand them the title right now without even going through the rest of the season.

Oh wow he beat Miz and R-Truth over a year ago and Cena 9 months ago. Totally worth a shot! Cena handed his shot to Ryback so at least it meant something. At least Ryback wrestled. At least he's there.

Yes it is made up. So what? He hasn't been there. He has not been giving us even one second of entertainment in any of the 9 hours+ worth of WWE shows per week on any consistant basis. He has not been risking his well being on a weekly basis. He hasn't been traveling around countries away from his friends/family wrestling in matches hardly anyone sees 4-7 times a week. The one match he had in 2012 a lot of people didn't even like. For perspective sake Sheamus wrestled 200+ times in 2012,The Rock wrestled 1.

I see you didn't hear a word Punk said on monday. It doesn't matter how much someone gets over or how good they are. Look what they did to Ryder. He got over,they gave him the US title then buried him and ruined his show. Has Wade Barrett done anything to not be world champion? I don't think so. Gives great promos,can't think of a bad match of his with anyone not named Randy Orton and he's stuck in the mid-card.

I'd give it to anyone I wanted to build up or put back up. It doesn't matter who as long as it isn't someone that's not even there. Hell have a King of the Ring with people that haven't got a shot in at least a year,if at all. It IS slap in the face of everyone that's there,works hard and still doesn't get a chance no matter how talented they are if Rock wins that title. It's also a slap in the face to Punk to end his reign like that. You're right,Rock's a legend. That's exactly it. Legend. His time is past.

But The Rock is better than just about everyone else on the show! Do you really believe Ryback, Tyson Kidd, Sheamus, etc. are better than The Rock. The only people in the company that are even [/i]close[/i] to Dwayne's level are Punk, Triple H, Cena, Taker, and maybe Orton.

And I heard Punk's promo. But see, the thing about that is that it's make believe. Do I think Punk believes at least part of what he said? Yep. Do I think he believes all of it? Nope. He's supposed to say things to piss people off. But I think he believes a lot of it. That doesn't make him right.

Tyson Kidd isn't over because his promos are garbage.

Zack Ryder doesn't have a great spot, because while his internet show was funny, he is a comedy act. Comedy acts don't typically move up the card. Add that to average mic and ring work and he's not going to be a top draw.

Even Barrett. His ring work is pretty good. And his mic work is fantastic. But he has yet to do anything that really connects with the fans. That's not a knock. Everyone has to find that groove, and it takes most a few years. He's only been on the main roster for, what, 2 1/2 years, a lot of which was spent with a serious injury.

And Cena handed his shot over (kayfabe). So the BoD handed The Rock a shot. I don't understand why it matters at all how he got the title shot.

Only those are real sports and wrestling isn't. Did old *** Hogan winning the title in early 2000s hold back Benoit, Eddie, etc. NO! (as Daniel Bryan would say) because those guys were good enough they got over regardless.

If a guy's good, he'll get over. I'm tired of people blaming WWE when guys don't get the push. Sometimes it's gotta be on the guy to go out and ask for it. That's what Punk did, more guys gotta show that hunger.

Plus people lose sight of the fact that just bc of guy doesn't get a shot at WM doesn't mean he won't get one at the next PPV, or the PPV after that, or next month, etc.

At the end of the day, it's a business first and foremost, not a patronage system. Rock puts asses in seats, that's why he'll get the belt if and when he does. Maybe when Wade Barrett can headline ANY PPV, let alone the biggest one of the year, that's when he'll get the belt.

Exactly. It's not the WWE's job to make sure the guys that work real hard are on the top of the card. Undertaker never wrestles. Why does he deserve a Wrestlemania payout? Because he's a big, BIG part of the draw, that's why. The Rock puts buts in the seats, and eyes on the tv. He sells PPV's. Wrestlemania season is NOT the time you give guys rubs. You can give a young guy a title shot at the Rumble or the Elimination Chamber, but you aren't going to actually put the belt on him. Punk took his spot. Ziggler has done the same thing.

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Yes, none of the guys we all love have truly been on the roster for that long (comparitively.) Look at the top guys now. Punk was around since 06 (I believe) starting in ECW. He's clawed his way here. Ziggler in 05 with the Spirit Squad (then bouncing down, and back up.) Bryan's first stint was 09, then the firing, then now. He's only kept where he is because he caught lightning in a bottle at WM, rightfully so. Miz started in 06.

Barrett? 2010. Cesaro? Last year.

The Rock didn't win his first WWE Title until 4 years or so into his career, and look at his title reigns. First reign? 44 days. 2 days. 41 days. 21 days. In 2000, he finally held it for 119 days. 35 days. 35 days. Then the WCW / Undisputed reigns. 63 days, 34 days, and 35 days (with the undisputed.)

It's just the way of the world for the IWC to be unhappy though. Blame the writers, blame the workers but the reason these guys aren't getting the pushes they deserve is because they haven't connected with the fans.

Hence, The Rock being an excellent choice to be brought in (especially when ratings matter most.)

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So far, none of the Rock supporters have said why he NEEDS to win the title. If him simply showing up gets ratings, it's not like putting the belt on him will suddenly increase ratings more. He's either there or he's not.

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So far, none of the Rock supporters have said why he NEEDS to win the title. If him simply showing up gets ratings, it's not like putting the belt on him will suddenly increase ratings more. He's either there or he's not.

Because there's the chance that it'll bring in even more eyes than are already there. Yeah there's a lot of people that watch bc the Rock is there, but him winning the belt would get attention. Rock going on media interviews, promoting WM, etc with the belt on his shoulder could only be good for the company.

Yeah that'll happen regardless, but you also get the belt over in the process. So that down the line if/when guys like Barrett, Ziggler, etc do win the belt, they get the rub of holding the same title that the Rock used to hold.

And the only reason people have brought up for him not winning the belt is that he's not there 24/7 365, as if wrestling has always been some patronage system where the hardest working guy holds the belt. Was that the case when Vince won the belt way back when? Or when old man Hogan got one last run with the belt?

And you can't just throw a belt on a guy to get him over. They've tried that so many times and failed that it's not even funny. Now people are begging for it, just bc it's their darlings and not the likes of Great Khali. Do you really think people would care more about Barrett, Zigs, Miz beating Punk for the belt then they do when Rock does it?

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I've always felt the WWE title is for ratings and the Intercontinental was the reward. I mean look back through history at the people that have held those belts. Some of the best wrestlers/characters and hardest workers have held the IC belt and most of them never even sniffed the WWE title. That's because the WWE title is for guys who put asses in the seats, who sell PPV's, who lead the company. Using the WWE Title to rub someone typically fails. There's the initial push and fans get excited but then its on the wrestler to make the magic happen and keep people interested.

Punk already has had the longest reign in the modern era and there's no way they'll let him keep it long enough to catch the old guys. I personnally think it makes way more sense to end up dropping it to someone like the Rock then a Barrett or Miz. And it's not like Rock is Hogan's age.

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Ratings don't really matter, so I don't even really like that argument. Their ratings are never going to be what they once were. I just don't think The Rock getting the belt is the best for long-term anything.

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Because there's the chance that it'll bring in even more eyes than are already there. Yeah there's a lot of people that watch bc the Rock is there, but him winning the belt would get attention. Rock going on media interviews, promoting WM, etc with the belt on his shoulder could only be good for the company.

Yeah that'll happen regardless, but you also get the belt over in the process. So that down the line if/when guys like Barrett, Ziggler, etc do win the belt, they get the rub of holding the same title that the Rock used to hold.

And the only reason people have brought up for him not winning the belt is that he's not there 24/7 365, as if wrestling has always been some patronage system where the hardest working guy holds the belt. Was that the case when Vince won the belt way back when? Or when old man Hogan got one last run with the belt?

And you can't just throw a belt on a guy to get him over. They've tried that so many times and failed that it's not even funny. Now people are begging for it, just bc it's their darlings and not the likes of Great Khali. Do you really think people would care more about Barrett, Zigs, Miz beating Punk for the belt then they do when Rock does it?

Because The Rock isn't a 7-time WWE Champion or anything... You mention Hogan, but when Hogan won the belt, he had been back for several months, got up to that, and was around for years after. He didn't show up randomly in July, say he had been given a title shot months from now, and then disappear until 3 weeks prior.