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  • ubernoob
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    • Jul 2004
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    #3916
    Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

    Yup. It was a plain and simple "Let's **** on DBry, while using him to try to get some heels a rub" fest.

    You're telling me that having the WWE title vacant for close to a month was good for the company in general? Everyone could see what was coming as soon as HHH/Orton got involved. There was no payoff expected, so why would we even tune in/order the PPVs to see the eventual "Bryan gets beat down/screwed" again and again and again?

    Maybe if they were planning on giving him a legit chance at running with the ball it would have raised eyebrows and interest... it didn't though, so they will just chalk it up as a failure on DBry's part saying "we gave him the opportunities and the numbers didn't pan out." We have Triple H, Steph mocking Bryan's "YES! YES! YES!" (not as upset about this.)

    We have the Big Show legitimately using "YES! YES! YES!" to try and get himself more over. When was the last time you saw another face legitimately try and steal another faces catchphrase to get himself over? Mankind using them in jest with the Rock? Whole different dynamic there. They're trying to phase Bryan out while keeping everything he brought to the table. It's a damn shame. I didn't see Stone Cold running around hulking up while telling the kids to eat their vitamins and say their prayers.

    Blah, I'm rambling. I'll stop, but just know this whole storyline was completely pointless up to this point in time. If they're smart, they'll give DBry a run at the top some time around WM season. A LEGIT shot, that is. One where we know don't know that the eventual "payoff" is just phasing him out and wasting everyone's time.

    EDIT: I will say this, because I don't want it mistaken. I don't hold this against VKM, HHH, Steph, Orton or the Big Show. This falls purely on the writing/creative team. The 'E needs to take a step back and take a long hard look at who they have on that team and why we've had to put up with their failed abortions of storylines for the last few years.
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    • philliesfan136
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      • Feb 2011
      • 4263

      #3917
      Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

      Well, for one, Vince/HHH/Steph are all a part of creative. This can certainly be blamed on them (at least partly).
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      • ubernoob
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        • Jul 2004
        • 15522

        #3918
        Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

        Originally posted by philliesfan136
        Well, for one, Vince/HHH/Steph are all a part of creative. This can certainly be blamed on them (at least partly).
        Yeah, I was talking more in-ring where they were telling him and the world how worthless he was. That's normal heel stuff.

        Nothing about his run was worthwhile though. Cena "picking him" as champion? Him beating Cena when we knew Cena was injured with the cash in looming with Orton there? Nothing about it was booked properly, and it seems as if he's taking the fall for it.
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        • Cubfan
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          • Feb 2004
          • 3929

          #3919
          Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

          The heels took and took and never gave back to Daniel Bryan. This story did nothing to help him and WWE is now putting Big Show back in the main event!
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          • DonkeyJote
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            • Jul 2003
            • 9159

            #3920
            Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

            I agree that holding the title vacant was a bad idea. And I see what happened there. They wanted to give Bryan his "moment". He shouldn't have won at Night of Champions. It should've been shady, sure, but he should not have won. That was them waffling on their commitment to the story. I think Orton came out of the whole storyline worse than anyone. At the beginning he looked like he could be dominant champion for a time, now he needs to be built back up while holding the championship.

            As far as the "him getting blamed" thing, I'm not sure how much I'm buying that. I'm not taking "sources say" as legitimate on sites that are wrong more often than right. Just a few weeks ago, those same exact sources were reporting that WWE was very happy with Bryan, and felt that he had "become a star" and were using that new stardom to now help elevate someone else. I think he'll be in "a" top program around Wrestlemania, but I don't think he'll be fighting for the WWE Championship.

            I guess I just don't get what everyone wants short of Daniel Bryan/CM Punk/Dean Ambrose triple threat matches for 9 months. If you want to complain that the story was predictable, go nuts (though I don't think that's always a bad thing; a lot of great stories, in wrestling and in other mediums, are quite predictable). But I just think it's a little insane to be upset that Daniel Bryan only main evented 4 consecutive PPV's (and didn't lose clean in any of them). If needing Triple H and Shawn Michaels to help beat him at Hell in a Cell and letting him put HBK in the Yes Lock is burying, you have a different definition of it than me.

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            • Cubfan
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              • Feb 2004
              • 3929

              #3921
              Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

              Originally posted by DonkeyJote
              I agree that holding the title vacant was a bad idea. And I see what happened there. They wanted to give Bryan his "moment". He shouldn't have won at Night of Champions. It should've been shady, sure, but he should not have won. That was them waffling on their commitment to the story. I think Orton came out of the whole storyline worse than anyone. At the beginning he looked like he could be dominant champion for a time, now he needs to be built back up while holding the championship.

              As far as the "him getting blamed" thing, I'm not sure how much I'm buying that. I'm not taking "sources say" as legitimate on sites that are wrong more often than right. Just a few weeks ago, those same exact sources were reporting that WWE was very happy with Bryan, and felt that he had "become a star" and were using that new stardom to now help elevate someone else. I think he'll be in "a" top program around Wrestlemania, but I don't think he'll be fighting for the WWE Championship.

              I guess I just don't get what everyone wants short of Daniel Bryan/CM Punk/Dean Ambrose triple threat matches for 9 months. If you want to complain that the story was predictable, go nuts (though I don't think that's always a bad thing; a lot of great stories, in wrestling and in other mediums, are quite predictable). But I just think it's a little insane to be upset that Daniel Bryan only main evented 4 consecutive PPV's (and didn't lose clean in any of them). If needing Triple H and Shawn Michaels to help beat him at Hell in a Cell and letting him put HBK in the Yes Lock is burying, you have a different definition of it than me.
              The problem with this story is the fact that its austin/mr mcmahon part 9,000 but the difference is that Vince put Steve through hell but in the end Vince got his *** kicked. HHH is now Mr McMahon but is not give anything back to the baby faces. In fact Randy Orton didn't gain anything from the last few months because Big Show and HHH were more important than the WWE Championship. Randy Orton just became the ***** to HHH and Stephine.
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              • ubernoob
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                • Jul 2004
                • 15522

                #3922
                Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                Yup. Of course this is just my opinion but the belt should never take a back seat in a storyline.

                Some people don't need the belt in a feud (Austin v McMahon got by on their larger than life personalities and battles.) All they've done in this one is devalued the title by making it look like it truly doesn't matter.

                I also don't think predictability is a bad thing, but when it's clear as day the face isn't going to get his... There is no reason to get invested if the heel(s) aren't compelling. Borton isn't a compelling heel when he's not kicking heads and threatening livelihoods.
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                • TheShizNo1
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 26341

                  #3923
                  Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                  Originally posted by ubernoob
                  Yup. Of course this is just my opinion but the belt should never take a back seat in a storyline.

                  Some people don't need the belt in a feud (Austin v McMahon got by on their larger than life personalities and battles.) All they've done in this one is devalued the title by making it look like it truly doesn't matter.

                  I also don't think predictability is a bad thing, but when it's clear as day the face isn't going to get his... There is no reason to get invested if the heel(s) aren't compelling. Borton isn't a compelling heel when he's not kicking heads and threatening livelihoods.
                  But he belt was still important in their feud. Vince was hell bent on keeping him out of the picture and Austin was fighting to stay champion or stay in the picture.

                  Donkey, there was no payoff for DB is the point as far as he goes. And the story took a sharp turn from DB and Orton, to HHH and Big Show because of no reason.

                  Austin had WM 14 as his big payoff and Rock had Backlash 2000 (still my favorite main even of all time) as his. Both involved shenanigans, but it was made clear that it was their moment and their time.

                  DB's payoff involved him being stripped and removed from the title picture.

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                  • jmillhimes
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                    • Dec 2007
                    • 2365

                    #3924
                    Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                    LOL......


                    RYback recently had the ring announcer in Glascow sing "Happy Birthday" to
                    him on his birthday. After he was finished, Ryback took the mic and said" Im
                    going to take a big "Goldberg" all over this town".

                    This is getting funny. Either Goldberg is indeed returning soon or WWE is just ****ting on him to make him want to sign
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                    • Ice_Cold345
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                      • Nov 2012
                      • 2109

                      #3925
                      Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                      Originally posted by jmillhimes
                      LOL......




                      This is getting funny. Either Goldberg is indeed returning soon or WWE is just ****ting on him to make him want to sign
                      He said the exact same thing months ago and it's still a stupid saying. I have a feeling he's been signed, but it's only between Vince and Goldberg, so no spoilers leak, and might return at Royal Rumble. I say this as a guy who would somewhat mark for Goldberg, but still, he wasn't that good in the ring.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
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                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #3926
                        Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                        The whole storyline has been a disappointment and another example of why I don't have confidence in WWE Creative, because we've seen **** like this happen time after time after time and it usually never ends well.
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                        • Mercury112491
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 7426

                          #3927
                          Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                          I would Mark out like crazy for Goldberg but a match between him and Ryback would be terrible.

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                          • kjtrippe
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                            • Jun 2012
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                            #3928
                            Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                            To me that whole storyline showed how Daniel Bryan had no character or personality, ONLY a catchphrase. Plus those angry faces he was making looked hilarious. In ring skills can get you so far

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                            • TheShizNo1
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                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #3929
                              Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                              Originally posted by kjtrippe
                              To me that whole storyline showed how Daniel Bryan had no character or personality, ONLY a catchphrase. Plus those angry faces he was making looked hilarious. In ring skills can get you so far


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                              • Ice_Cold345
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                                • Nov 2012
                                • 2109

                                #3930
                                Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                                Originally posted by kjtrippe
                                To me that whole storyline showed how Daniel Bryan had no character or personality, ONLY a catchphrase. Plus those angry faces he was making looked hilarious. In ring skills can get you so far
                                Bret Hart did pretty well for himself and he's not charismatic at all. Lesnar's pretty mediocre on the mic as well. Orton's average at best(gotten worse as time has gone on, in my opinion, and I like Orton.) Mic skills are nice, but not always needed to be a top guy.
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