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  • adembroski
    49ers
    • Jul 2002
    • 5829

    #31
    Re: Superstar attribute changes

    Originally posted by Fiddy
    Thanks man. I'll take a look when I get home.
    For the record, the ratings listed are before I entered them into the game. This means that a few are too high (ie hit the cap dictated by the guy's weight class). I usually compensate somewhere else (example; Randy Orton is listed at a 95 Durability, but he can't go that high due to his weight class, so I set it to a 90 and raised his Technique to 85 since their both essentially defensive attributes).

    I'm working on sliders to go with the attribute changes. I'll post 'em when they're done. Note that I'm seeking a fairly old-school style with my sliders, since modern wrestling really can't be captured by this game.
    There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

    The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

    The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
    -Mark Twain.

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    • pimpinpidgeon8
      MVP
      • Aug 2005
      • 1408

      #32
      Re: Superstar attribute changes

      Originally posted by adembroski
      For the record, the ratings listed are before I entered them into the game. This means that a few are too high (ie hit the cap dictated by the guy's weight class). I usually compensate somewhere else (example; Randy Orton is listed at a 95 Durability, but he can't go that high due to his weight class, so I set it to a 90 and raised his Technique to 85 since their both essentially defensive attributes).

      I'm working on sliders to go with the attribute changes. I'll post 'em when they're done. Note that I'm seeking a fairly old-school style with my sliders, since modern wrestling really can't be captured by this game.
      Would you mind updating the spreadsheet so we all could have your up to date edits? Also, would it be too much of a pain to put out edits for people who aren't on the game so when we download a CAW, we can just use your edits so they flow well with the rest of the roster? I'll post a list of wrestlers listed on either Raw or Smackdown that isn't on the game ...

      Raw
      Alex Riley
      Daniel Bryan
      Darren Young
      David Otunga
      The Great Khali
      Heath Slater
      Husky Harris
      Jey Uso
      Jimmy Uso
      Justin Gabriel
      Michael McGillicutty
      Michael Tarver
      Skip Sheffield
      Tamina (Diva)
      Wade Barrett

      Smackdown
      Alberto Del Rio
      Caylen Croft
      Curt Hawkins
      Joseph "Joey" Mercury
      Kaval
      Layla (Diva)
      Rosa Mendes (Diva)
      Tiffany (Diva)
      Trent Barreta
      Tyler Reks

      Legends
      Bret Hart

      If you could do edits for those then everything would be good to go for people like myself who want up to date real life rosters on the game. Thanks in advance for all your hard work!!!
      "Hate my game, hate my swagger, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran, a champion. Hate that, hate it with all your heart...
      ...and hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons."

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      • adembroski
        49ers
        • Jul 2002
        • 5829

        #33
        Re: Superstar attribute changes

        Originally posted by pimpinpidgeon8
        Would you mind updating the spreadsheet so we all could have your up to date edits? Also, would it be too much of a pain to put out edits for people who aren't on the game so when we download a CAW, we can just use your edits so they flow well with the rest of the roster? I'll post a list of wrestlers listed on either Raw or Smackdown that isn't on the game ...

        Raw
        Alex Riley
        Daniel Bryan
        Darren Young
        David Otunga
        The Great Khali
        Heath Slater
        Husky Harris
        Jey Uso
        Jimmy Uso
        Justin Gabriel
        Michael McGillicutty
        Michael Tarver
        Skip Sheffield
        Tamina (Diva)
        Wade Barrett

        Smackdown
        Alberto Del Rio
        Caylen Croft
        Curt Hawkins
        Joseph "Joey" Mercury
        Kaval
        Layla (Diva)
        Rosa Mendes (Diva)
        Tiffany (Diva)
        Trent Barreta
        Tyler Reks

        Legends
        Bret Hart

        If you could do edits for those then everything would be good to go for people like myself who want up to date real life rosters on the game. Thanks in advance for all your hard work!!!
        I suppose I could do that... though it'd be easier if you gave me a list of the guys you downloaded those from... if you trust their rate based on the original rosters, I can simply convert them to my rosters.

        The toughest part of rating wrestlers is that what you see isn't necessarily what should be rated. Just because a guy is a good wrestler doesn't mean he should have a high rating in-game. The ratings need to reflect the guy's success within kayfabe. That's hard to do
        There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

        The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

        The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
        -Mark Twain.

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        • pimpinpidgeon8
          MVP
          • Aug 2005
          • 1408

          #34
          Re: Superstar attribute changes

          Originally posted by adembroski
          I suppose I could do that... though it'd be easier if you gave me a list of the guys you downloaded those from... if you trust their rate based on the original rosters, I can simply convert them to my rosters.

          The toughest part of rating wrestlers is that what you see isn't necessarily what should be rated. Just because a guy is a good wrestler doesn't mean he should have a high rating in-game. The ratings need to reflect the guy's success within kayfabe. That's hard to do
          Yeah I can do that. I'll download ones that have accurate ratings and I'll PM you the ratings and you can PM me them back or add them to your spreadsheet. Just post in here when you have updated the spreadsheet with all the actual wrestlers' updated ratings. Thanks!!!
          "Hate my game, hate my swagger, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran, a champion. Hate that, hate it with all your heart...
          ...and hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons."

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          • Steven547
            MVP
            • May 2004
            • 3797

            #35
            Re: Superstar attribute changes

            Have you tried CPU vs CPU with these rating changes? If so, how long are your matches?

            And when you get a chance, would be curious to see your slider settings...

            update:

            Am I not seeing something here? But over at caws.ws, they have user attribute changes for the superstars. The weird thing its, some stats are 87/100 or 63/100. Sounds fine, but when I make my changes, I can only move attributes in increments of 5 ?? Is there something I'm missing?

            And those changes they display are for SVR 2011, not 2010...

            Anyone?
            Last edited by Steven547; 11-13-2010, 12:45 PM.

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            • Steven547
              MVP
              • May 2004
              • 3797

              #36
              Re: Superstar attribute changes

              Originally posted by adembroski
              For the record, the ratings listed are before I entered them into the game. This means that a few are too high (ie hit the cap dictated by the guy's weight class). I usually compensate somewhere else (example; Randy Orton is listed at a 95 Durability, but he can't go that high due to his weight class, so I set it to a 90 and raised his Technique to 85 since their both essentially defensive attributes).

              I'm working on sliders to go with the attribute changes. I'll post 'em when they're done. Note that I'm seeking a fairly old-school style with my sliders, since modern wrestling really can't be captured by this game.
              Any update on these?

              Also, how do you have a 95 for DUR on Triple H? I tried to input the same setting you have, but can't go higher than 90.
              Last edited by Steven547; 11-17-2010, 01:17 AM.

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              • Steven547
                MVP
                • May 2004
                • 3797

                #37
                Re: Superstar attribute changes

                No updates from anyone? Daniel Bryan attribute suggestions based on the attribute changes?

                Or is anyone still playing this?

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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #38
                  Re: Superstar attribute changes

                  Originally posted by adembroski
                  https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...0E&hl=en#gid=0

                  Likely not my final, but where I'm at right now. This was a quick conversion based mostly on the default rosters, I need to do some fine tuning.
                  Are these updated?

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                  • Steven547
                    MVP
                    • May 2004
                    • 3797

                    #39
                    Re: Superstar attribute changes

                    Curious if they are updated, too. Also, you have Triple H DUR at 95...question is, how do you do that? The highest I can get for him is 90. Same happens to a few other wrestlers as well.

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                    • adembroski
                      49ers
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5829

                      #40
                      Re: Superstar attribute changes

                      Originally posted by Steven547
                      Curious if they are updated, too. Also, you have Triple H DUR at 95...question is, how do you do that? The highest I can get for him is 90. Same happens to a few other wrestlers as well.
                      Taking a little bit of a vacation after a 12 hour shift tonight, so in the next 4 days I'll get 'em updated and up. Hopefully I'll have the full current WWE roster on it as well.

                      I'll try to get the top guys from TNA and RoH as well.
                      There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                      The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                      The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                      -Mark Twain.

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                      • Jukeman
                        Showtime
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10955

                        #41
                        Re: Superstar attribute changes

                        Originally posted by adembroski
                        Taking a little bit of a vacation after a 12 hour shift tonight, so in the next 4 days I'll get 'em updated and up. Hopefully I'll have the full current WWE roster on it as well.

                        I'll try to get the top guys from TNA and RoH as well.

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                        • adembroski
                          49ers
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 5829

                          #42
                          Re: Superstar attribute changes

                          OK, just getting started here. I need some assistance.

                          Right now I have a list of 157 workers to rate. That's quite a list. But, I figured, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it right. I'm not going to simply plug in formulas from the base roster and let that do my work... I'm rerating these guys realistically based on style and card position.

                          What I need from you: What TNA and RoH workers are you most interested in. As it stands, I'm going to end up doing them all, but as a first release, I'm going to do WWE plus a few guys from TNA and RoH... I'll release the rest of TNA and RoH later.

                          Also, which current free agents are important... Shelton Benjamin and Matt Hardy are obvious and already on the default roster, so I'll do them... but who else?

                          Finally... if anyone wants to start defining card positions, that would help. I'm not 100% up to date on where everyone is right now. I define, essentially, 5 positions: Main Event, Upper-Mid, Mid, Lower Mid, Curtain Jerker. So... if someone wants to list the guys from any of the brands in order of card position as best as possible, that'll give me a head start.
                          Last edited by adembroski; 11-30-2010, 12:18 PM.
                          There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                          The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                          The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                          -Mark Twain.

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                          • adembroski
                            49ers
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5829

                            #43
                            Re: Superstar attribute changes

                            The list, so far.

                            Alicia Fox
                            Brie Bella
                            CM Punk
                            Daniel Bryan
                            Darren Young
                            David Hart Smith
                            David Otunga
                            Evan Bourne
                            Eve
                            Ezekiel Jackson
                            Gail Kim
                            Goldust
                            Heath Slater
                            Husky Harris
                            Jey Uso
                            Jimmy Uso
                            John Morrison
                            Justin Gabriel
                            Mark Henry
                            Maryse
                            Melina
                            Michael McGillicutty
                            Michael Tarver
                            Mr. McMahon
                            Natalya
                            Nikki Bella
                            Primo
                            R-Truth
                            Randy Orton
                            Santino Marella
                            Sheamus
                            Skip Sheffield
                            Tamina
                            Ted DiBiase
                            The Great Khali
                            The Miz
                            Triple H
                            Tyson Kidd
                            Vladimir Koslov
                            Wade Barrett
                            William Regal
                            Yoshi Tatsu
                            Zack Ryder
                            Alberto Del Rio
                            Beth Phoenix
                            Big Show
                            Chavo Guerrero
                            Chris Masters
                            Christian
                            Cody Rhodes
                            Curt Hawkins
                            Dolph Ziggler
                            Drew McIntyre
                            Edge
                            Finlay
                            Jack Swagger
                            Joey Mercury
                            JTG
                            Kane
                            Kaval
                            Kelly Kelly
                            Kofi Kingston
                            Layla
                            Michelle McCool
                            MVP
                            Rey Mysterio
                            Rose Mendes
                            Trent Barreta
                            Tyler Reks
                            Undertaker
                            Abyss
                            AJ Styles
                            Alex Shelley
                            Amazing Red
                            Angelina Love
                            Brian Kendrick
                            Chelsea
                            Chris Sabin
                            Christy Hemme
                            Cookie
                            D'Angelo Dinero
                            Daffney
                            Desmond Wolfe
                            Douglas Williams
                            Eric Young
                            Hamada
                            Max Buck
                            Jeremy Buck
                            Hernandez
                            Hulk Hogan
                            James Storm
                            Jay Lethal
                            Jeff Hardy
                            Jeff Jarrett
                            Jesse Neal
                            Kazarian
                            Kevin Nash
                            Kiyoshi
                            Kurt Angle
                            Madison Rayne
                            Magnus
                            Matt Morgan
                            Mick Foley
                            Mickie James
                            Mr. Anderson
                            Orlando Jordan
                            Rhino
                            Ric Flair
                            Rob Terry
                            Rob Van Dam
                            Robbie E
                            Robert Roode
                            Samoa Joe
                            Sarita
                            Shannon Moore
                            Shark Boy
                            Stevie Richards
                            Sting
                            Suicide
                            Tara
                            Tylor Wilde
                            Brother Ray
                            Brother Devon
                            Tommy Dreamer
                            Velvet Sky
                            Roderick Strong
                            Jerry Lynn
                            Jay Briscoe
                            Mark Briscoe
                            Kevin Steen
                            El Generico
                            Christopher Daniels
                            Colt Cabana
                            Claudio Castagnoli
                            Davey Richards
                            Eddie Edwards
                            Homicide
                            Chris Hero
                            Steve Corino
                            Kenny Omega
                            Delirious
                            Kenny King
                            Rhett Titus
                            Adam Cole
                            Kyle O'Reilly
                            Mike Bennett
                            Shane Hagadorn
                            Prince Nana
                            Ernesto Osiris
                            Bobby Dempsey
                            Grizzly Redwood
                            Alex Payne
                            Lance Bravado
                            Harlem Bravado
                            Daizee Haze
                            Sara Del Rey
                            Shelton Benjamin
                            Matt Hardy

                            If I do more, it'll be FCW (WWE's developmental division) and Shimmer (RoH's woman's division).

                            It's really to bad we're limited to 50 CAWs.
                            Last edited by adembroski; 11-30-2010, 12:23 PM.
                            There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                            The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                            The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                            -Mark Twain.

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                            • adembroski
                              49ers
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5829

                              #44
                              Re: Superstar attribute changes

                              In case anyone cares, the overall formula appears to be as follows...

                              Overall = (SUM of all ratings * 0.1573626)

                              It's not exact, but it's close. If anyone can give me the 100% accurate formula, I'd appreciate.
                              Last edited by adembroski; 11-30-2010, 04:58 PM.
                              There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                              The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                              The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                              -Mark Twain.

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                              • Steven547
                                MVP
                                • May 2004
                                • 3797

                                #45
                                Re: Superstar attribute changes

                                Originally posted by adembroski
                                In case anyone cares, the overall formula appears to be as follows...

                                Overall = (SUM of all ratings * 0.1573626)

                                It's not exact, but it's close. If anyone can give me the 100% accurate formula, I'd appreciate.
                                Thanks for doing these. Always thought it was strange how they figure out the Overalls. I have wrestlers with attributes all under 80, yet they overall is something like 83.

                                Anyway, on some of your attributes (I think it was Triple H), I can't mimic your attributes? Some attributes you show are maybe 95 for DUR, but when I try it, the highest I can go is 90....

                                Also, do you have a formula you use to re-rate these? Or is this just a "what I think" kind of rating?

                                Any thoughts?

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