WWE Off-Topic

[Majingir]

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It's just junk for people to complain about the past era of WWE TV they disliked. Which especially shouldn't matter to a guy like Meltzer, since he's apparently never liked the WWE product (at least since the Hogan/Rock 'n' Wrestling Era).

Doesn't matter and it's so trivial being brought up by Meltzer or his lackeys. Wrestling on TV can be compelling with or without scantily clad women, bad language or copious amounts of blood.



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And the thing is, the attitude era really wasn't THAT edgy (it was edgy for the time and compared to the "family entertainment" days of the 80s and 90s) when you take out any moment involving women.

Smackdown was PG I believe. Everything got censored on those taped shows. They'd literally show replays of Raw and promos got censored when it was ok to air on Raw.

And the amount of blood used during the attitude era wasn't even as bad as the amount of blood from ruthless Aggression era. Even the language used, I think the ruthless Aggression was edgier/more "out there" than the attitude era actually was.

[J_Posse]

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And the thing is, the attitude era really wasn't THAT edgy (it was edgy for the time and compared to the "family entertainment" days of the 80s and 90s) when you take out any moment involving women.

Smackdown was PG I believe. Everything got censored on those taped shows. They'd literally show replays of Raw and promos got censored when it was ok to air on Raw.

And the amount of blood used during the attitude era wasn't even as bad as the amount of blood from ruthless Aggression era. Even the language used, I think the ruthless Aggression was edgier/more "out there" than the attitude era actually was.

People also forget the 'shift' in more family-friendly programming was a direct result of the Benoit family murders and the steroid scandal that came from it.

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[Mercury112491]

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I hope people aren’t disappointed when nothing changes when they go to Netflix. They’re not overly vulgar or edgy because of the networks. They’re that way because at its core WWE is an all ages family entertainment company. They won’t risk that to bring back bra and panties matches or whatever dumb stuff from 98 we all thought was cool because we were horny 13 year old idiots [emoji23]


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[dubcity]

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People also forget the 'shift' in more family-friendly programming was a direct result of the Benoit family murders and the steroid scandal that came from it.

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That's true. And the decision to go in that direction is why they've lasted this long and been able to become this billion dollar company with huge TV deals. Whether the product suffered or not (it did) doesn't really matter. It did affect live audience energy tho. When you go from balls to the wall "holy ****" type content to a more tame product, dead crowds are gonna happen.

My problem was them continuing with things like the TLC PPV, when they knew they were never going to deliver what they used to. They went from TLC matches with guys going through like 20 tables, blood everywhere, to a "tables match" where a guy goes through a single table and the ref is frantically calling for the bell. As a fan you couldn't help but feel disappointed.

[Majingir]

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That's true. And the decision to go in that direction is why they've lasted this long and been able to become this billion dollar company with huge TV deals. Whether the product suffered or not (it did) doesn't really matter. It did affect live audience energy tho. When you go from balls to the wall "holy ****" type content to a more tame product, dead crowds are gonna happen.

My problem was them continuing with things like the TLC PPV, when they knew they were never going to deliver what they used to. They went from TLC matches with guys going through like 20 tables, blood everywhere, to a "tables match" where a guy goes through a single table and the ref is frantically calling for the bell. As a fan you couldn't help but feel disappointed.

And to top it off, we had tlc matches where it ended in pinfall!

[dubcity]

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And to top it off, we had tlc matches where it ended in pinfall!

Another ironically named PPV from that era ... Extreme Rules. One year i remember they had a cruiserweight submission match, a mixed tag match, and that absolutely lame kendo stick match between Bayley and Alexa Bliss. That sure brings to mind ECW, I tell ya.

[SmashMan]

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I hope people aren’t disappointed when nothing changes when they go to Netflix. They’re not overly vulgar or edgy because of the networks. They’re that way because at its core WWE is an all ages family entertainment company. They won’t risk that to bring back bra and panties matches or whatever dumb stuff from 98 we all thought was cool because we were horny 13 year old idiots [emoji23]

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I just want them to stop muting crowd chants. I’m assuming it’s more a WWE call than a USA Network one, but maybe Netflix can point out how dumb it is.

“We paid $5 billion for this. The crowd can say holy ****.”

[Majingir]

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Another ironically named PPV from that era ... Extreme Rules. One year i remember they had a cruiserweight submission match, a mixed tag match, and that absolutely lame kendo stick match between Bayley and Alexa Bliss. That sure brings to mind ECW, I tell ya.

IIRC, there was even an extreme rules ppv where there wasn't a single match with a no dq stipulation? Or maybe it only had 1 or 2, either way, that was a joke.

If you're doing a ppv called extreme rules, every match better have stipulations of some sort.

[J_Posse]

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That's true. And the decision to go in that direction is why they've lasted this long and been able to become this billion dollar company with huge TV deals. Whether the product suffered or not (it did) doesn't really matter. It did affect live audience energy tho. When you go from balls to the wall "holy ****" type content to a more tame product, dead crowds are gonna happen.

My problem was them continuing with things like the TLC PPV, when they knew they were never going to deliver what they used to. They went from TLC matches with guys going through like 20 tables, blood everywhere, to a "tables match" where a guy goes through a single table and the ref is frantically calling for the bell. As a fan you couldn't help but feel disappointed.

We rarely agree on anything on OS, but this we can find common ground on.

I checked out around the time of the Benoit family tragedy, but I also felt bad for the guys and girls having to defend and protect their industry.

And it does feel weird that 'Extreme Rules' and 'TLC' matches are still a thing, even though they aren't doing the off-the-wall **** that shortens a talents' career.

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[SmashMan]

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And it doesn't feel weird that 'Extreme Rules' and 'TLC' matches are still a thing, even though they aren't doing the off-the-wall **** that shortens a talents' career.

I don't need them doing stupid stuff for the sake of doing it, but a lot of the "extreme rules" matches aren't that much different than the week-to-week matches so it doesn't have as much of an impact as it used to.

To just use tables as an example - guys go through tables every week, so why is a tables match supposed to be interesting? Or the aforementioned kendo stick match. That's such a common weapon now that having a match revolve around it was just...who cares?

Now, ripping Rey Mysterio's eye out? That was at least something new.

[Mercury112491]

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I just want them to stop muting crowd chants. I’m assuming it’s more a WWE call than a USA Network one, but maybe Netflix can point out how dumb it is.



“We paid $5 billion for this. The crowd can say holy ****.”

That’s fair. Do they mute them after 10pm on USA? That used to be a thing right? After prime time on cable they could get away with more? Maybe I’m making that up.


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[Majingir]

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That’s fair. Do they mute them after 10pm on USA? That used to be a thing right? After prime time on cable they could get away with more? Maybe I’m making that up.


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I think it's just a WWE thing.

I've noticed it a lot over the years. You'll hear the crowd when they want you to hear the crowd, then lower the volume when they either don't want you to hear the crowd or someone's on the mic talking.

[dubcity]

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They allow so much on cable these days, I don't see why they should mute any crowd chants. Unless they are worried about kids hearing it, in which case they are trying to PG. [emoji2369]

[SmashMan]

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That’s fair. Do they mute them after 10pm on USA? That used to be a thing right? After prime time on cable they could get away with more? Maybe I’m making that up.

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That sounds familiar but I think WWE mutes at any time now. I’m only assuming it’s a WWE decision because USA had/has shows that said ****, so they’re not against it. My guess is that WWE self-censors to stay in the good graces of any sponsorships that might not want to be associated with language.

You’d think they could just lower the crowd audio in the TV mix during chants if they wanted to dampen them. It’d still be dumb but it’s better than totally dropping audio every two seconds.

[Majingir]

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The Rock announces that Drew McIntyre has signed a new deal with WWE.