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  • Majingir
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    • Apr 2005
    • 47668

    #9196
    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

    Maven and Taker brawling in the popcorn stand. Taker throws a busted open Maven into the popcorn. I sure hope they got rid of all the popcorn, there was blood on it all.

    And what an unusual moment I'm surprised we haven't seen much of. Christian enters midway through the match, and nobody's in the ring (Maven was out due to Taker, and Scotty was knocked out before entering). So he literally entered the rumble to an empty ring. Surprised we haven't seen a moment in a future rumble where the entire field was eliminated and someone just enters to no opponents.

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    Shawn was still getting a huge check so they used him the best they could from 98-02.


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    I know from 98-99 they did. But 2000-02 he was basically done minus very limited appearances.
    Last edited by Majingir; 01-24-2021, 01:48 PM.

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    • SmashMan
      All Star
      • Dec 2004
      • 9748

      #9197
      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Majingir
      Surprised we haven't seen a moment in a future rumble where the entire field was eliminated and someone just enters to no opponents.
      What if someone won that way? 29 get eliminated before 30 enters, and some guy just walks in and is declared the winner. That'd be hilarious and terrible.

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      • Majingir
        Moderator
        • Apr 2005
        • 47668

        #9198
        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

        One part of the WHAT chants we should be thankful didn't stick was fans chanting it after every move.

        Every punch or kick Austin delivered had fans chanting WHAT after it.

        Although Angles part was great during to the chants. We got the "YOU SUCK.....WHAT! YOU SUCK....WHAT!" chants during his entrance.

        Originally posted by SmashMan
        What if someone won that way? 29 get eliminated before 30 enters, and some guy just walks in and is declared the winner. That'd be hilarious and terrible. [emoji38]
        That would be the perfect way for nuclear heat. Imagine Lesnar doing that. I'm surprised that never happened either.
        Last edited by Majingir; 01-24-2021, 02:16 PM.

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        • Brother Love
          MVP
          • Jun 2017
          • 1826

          #9199
          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Majingir
          Maven and Taker brawling in the popcorn stand. Taker throws a busted open Maven into the popcorn. I sure hope they got rid of all the popcorn, there was blood on it all.

          And what an unusual moment I'm surprised we haven't seen much of. Christian enters midway through the match, and nobody's in the ring (Maven was out due to Taker, and Scotty was knocked out before entering). So he literally entered the rumble to an empty ring. Surprised we haven't seen a moment in a future rumble where the entire field was eliminated and someone just enters to no opponents.

          I know from 98-99 they did. But 2000-02 he was basically done minus very limited appearances.

          He was still on the payroll for big checks though. That’s why you saw him at all it was always fluid on what his availability would be during those years though.


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          • SmashMan
            All Star
            • Dec 2004
            • 9748

            #9200
            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Majingir
            That would be the perfect way for nuclear heat. Imagine Lesnar doing that. I'm surprised that never happened either.
            I'm not against it, it would just be anticlimactic. One of the few creative Rumble finishes left though.

            Just rewatched the 95 Rumble because they uploaded it to YouTube.

            Pro:
            • Memorable ending
            • 1995 Pam Anderson


            Con:
            • Forgot just how weak the roster was in 95. Just long stretches of dud after dud. Blu Brothers? Well Dunn? Heavenly Bodies? ugh
            • One minute between entrants is too short. They really found the sweet spot at 90 seconds.

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            • Majingir
              Moderator
              • Apr 2005
              • 47668

              #9201
              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

              Speaking of underwhelming rumbles, most of 03 has been a let down for me to see. I loved the RA era, but so many talent in this rumble dont feel exciting to see, even on a nostalgia trip.

              Bill Demott, B2, Nowinski, Maven and others. Even names like Chavo,Test (although he did have Stacy and his testi....his fans cheering him on),Haas (though I did love WGTT),ATrain and others aren't names to get overly excited about here.

              Too bad we only got a short time with names like Undertaker,Lesnar,Batista and guys like that.

              Cenas rap in his first ever rumble felt weird. He went on for a minute straight. At least all that led to JR being baffled and just says "I don't know what he just said, but word to your mother" lol.

              F4 being Lesnar,Batista (2 rookies) and them Undertaker,Kane. I still feel like Batista gained so much by Lesnar leaving. Cena probably gets pushed as a top guy regardless, same with Orton, but I wonder if they would've pushed Batista the same if Lesnar never left.

              I'm not sure what style of rumble I like better. A mix of talent throughout, or having first half with these lower card guys and the top guys clean house after. At least in the back loaded rumbles the final half gets real intense and exciting, but first half is boring to watch. But in a mixed rumble, you'll get good talent throughout, but then could have random names like a Slapjack,Ryker,Tozawa coming in late.
              Last edited by Majingir; 01-24-2021, 07:50 PM.

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              • Majingir
                Moderator
                • Apr 2005
                • 47668

                #9202
                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                Onto 04 Rumble.

                Cenas rap game is way better now. Funny RVD interaction in a Cena interview backstage.

                Cena: They can't see me. Tonight, the royal rumble goes to....
                *RVD pops in*
                Rob: R-V-D
                *RVD walks away*
                Cena: Looks like he's been hanging out with Mary Jane. We'll he can go suck my candy cane.

                Heyman/Bischoff have an argument in the ring, they get into a little schoolyard like tackle fight lol. Broken up by Sheriff Austin! Austin stuns both, drinks beer, drives off.

                As for the Rumble, I didn't realize Orton was #2. Cool in hindsight to see. Benoit wins the rumble in the 1 spot, wins the title at WM, then loses the title at SS to Orton, the guy he started off the Rumble with.

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                • Bard
                  YouTube: NHBard
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 7803

                  #9203
                  Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                  The 2004 Royal Rumble is always one I love to rewatch.

                  I am able to differentiate Benoit the killer and Benoit the wrestler, and by doing so I love rewatching his art in the ring.

                  Orton killed the 04 Rumble as well (think this was his Rumble debut?), then Mick Foley takes out Test and enters due to a pissed off Austin.

                  Sheriff Austin was also gold!

                  Raw & Smackdown from 03-05 I absolutely enjoyed.

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                  • Majingir
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 47668

                    #9204
                    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Bard
                    The 2004 Royal Rumble is always one I love to rewatch.

                    I am able to differentiate Benoit the killer and Benoit the wrestler, and by doing so I love rewatching his art in the ring.

                    Orton killed the 04 Rumble as well (think this was his Rumble debut?), then Mick Foley takes out Test and enters due to a pissed off Austin.

                    Sheriff Austin was also gold!

                    Raw & Smackdown from 03-05 I absolutely enjoyed.

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                    Took me many years, but I've been able to fully separate Benoit the superstar and Benoit in June 07. Part of it was me watching Radicalz debut and everything onwards, but also part was seeing the dark side of the ring and seeing things I've assumed for years confirmed with seeing how much Eddie's death sent Benoits life downhill instantly, and others knew it.


                    I'm surprised this Philly crowd in 04 isn't on their feet for the Rumble. I think the Philly rumble crowd from several years back was actually better. We make fun of Grandmasters lack of a reaction in 2011, Rikishis entrance in the rumble got no reaction!

                    Speaking of entrances, Booker T has some weird remix of his theme, it's way worse.

                    And for some reason I thought JBL was around a lot longer. Didnt realize he was still doing the APA stuff to start 04. A Trains theme reminds me of JBLs theme, I wonder if they used that part of Albert's theme for JBL.

                    Austin's reaction to Test being attacked was funny. He was going crazy, then telling the mystery attacker they're 21, and basically chases them down the hall to get them out there. Mystery man of course being Foley! Orton's chair shot to Foleys head was brutal. Maybe not Rock to Shamrock level, but real brutal.
                    Last edited by Majingir; 01-24-2021, 09:45 PM.

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                    • Majingir
                      Moderator
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 47668

                      #9205
                      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                      Huge news regarding the network.

                      They've signed a deal with NBC/Peacock to have the WWE Network added to it for the US only.

                      From what I understand, it means you can get WWE Network AND Peacock for $4.99 a month, filled with ads, it's still $9.99 ad free.

                      Not sure how this might impact the network in other countries though, but I wonder if they're looking for similar deals in other countries to tie the network in with streaming services. In Canada its tied into TV providers where you can ONLY get the network if you buy it through your TV Provider. Its nice (minus the higher price) and better than just online streaming, but restricts their reach. Perhaps they start looking into package deals with other streaming providers.

                      WWE must have gotten lots of money for this to happen. Let's say 1.5m fans pay $9.99 a month on average. That's around 180m a year. If NBCs offer basically offsets that cost a year for the network rights, that'll help WWE big time while expanding their potential streaming reach.

                      Over 20m people have signed up for peacock, ALL of them now get WWE network included in their plan.
                      Last edited by Majingir; 01-25-2021, 09:26 AM.

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                      • cima
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 13478

                        #9206
                        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                        WSJ reports 5 years/$1 BILLION.


                        Huge win for WWE.

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                        • Majingir
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 47668

                          #9207
                          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by cima
                          WSJ reports 5 years/$1 BILLION.


                          Huge win for WWE.
                          That's HUGE for WWE. They get MORE from this deal than they would from just subscribers.

                          That's 200m a year. Like I said, 1.5m subscribers per month average brings in 180m. So 200m would've been closer to 1.7m subscribers on average.

                          I'm guessing NBC gets the ad money on the $4.99 plans?

                          But WWE getting more money while also increasing their reach is great news. I'm sure non current fans will see they get the network for "free" (if they have peacock already), and simply be tuning into the old content.

                          The free version of the network will be interesting to see how they utilize it now. You no longer have a major need to keep current subscribers in the US, but obviously won't just give away lots of stuff for free either.
                          Last edited by Majingir; 01-25-2021, 10:31 AM.

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                          • DJ
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 17756

                            #9208
                            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                            So are we going to have to subscribe to Peacock to keep the Network once this deal goes into effect? I didn't see anything about current subscribers being rolled over to a Peacock subscription.
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                            • Majingir
                              Moderator
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 47668

                              #9209
                              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by DJ
                              So are we going to have to subscribe to Peacock to keep the Network once this deal goes into effect? I didn't see anything about current subscribers being rolled over to a Peacock subscription.
                              Dont think those details were announced yet.

                              They'll definitely let subscribers know. I could see them saying you have the option to opt in, but if you dont, your subscription will be cancelled (or the other way around where you get automatically switched unless you want to cancel, but not sure if automatic rollovers are legal in the US or if they need consent to switch you).

                              It'll probably be the former, especially if you already are paying for Peacock, why would you want to be automatically rolled over.

                              Funny reading some comments and people say they're cancelling because of that...they do realize this is a too good to be true deal right?

                              For someone who only pays for the network to watch PPVs, that's $4.99 a month! Who cares about ads if you're not watching on demand content.

                              PPVs are becoming less and less needed. Will there even be a need for 12 events a year anymore? You're getting 200m a year regardless if people watch your stuff all 12 months, only watch past content, or only the top PPVs.

                              Between this and the likely live show changes, WWEs business model will be drastically different going forward. No longer about house shows or PPVs driving up business.
                              Last edited by Majingir; 01-25-2021, 11:49 AM.

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                              • cima
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 13478

                                #9210
                                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                                People who say they are cancelling are just those fickle wrestling fans that wanna scream outrage over anything. At worst, you're paying the EXACT same price to get the same service on a different platform. At best, you get it for $5 cheaper per month if you don't mind ads.

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