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  • Majingir
    Moderator
    • Apr 2005
    • 47668

    #9226
    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

    I guess DX was right all along

    Originally posted by reyes the roof
    This seems like a strange deal for NBC if the 5 year/$1billion figure is accurate. Even If it doesn’t cost them a penny to add all the WWE subscribers, they’d need approximately 1.6 million subscribers on the 9.99 plan to break even. Is there a hidden value in adding the WWE network to their platform that I’m not seeing?
    That's the thing in all this I dont get. Fans win, WWE wins, but what does NBC gain out of it? Only thing I can think of is if NBC gains extra ad money, like 50-100m+ a year in extra ad money because of adding the WWE Network. Not sure how ad money works in regards to having ads on the non premium tier plan, do they pay per viewer who watches it, or simply pays an as fee regardless if 1m or 10m people viewed that ad.

    Originally posted by dubcity
    It also puts the final nail in the coffin of any hope that they will ever treat PPVs as the huge events of the past. We should probably stop calling WWE shows "PPVs" for real now lol.
    Which is why I'm thinking maybe they have less shows. It would make sense to have fewer events like that if they aren't needed to draw money anymore.

    The big 4 plus 4 others would probably be fine. I wouldn't be opposed to SNME being brought back. One or two of those a year in place of a PPV so the total events end up being 10 instead of 12.

    Speaking of PPVs, I don't know what else we could call them. We know they're not really Pay Per Views anymore, but calling them Network Events doesn't have the same ring to it. At least with Pay Per View we can shorten it to PPV. If there is a new term we could find for these events which could also be shortened, I'm sure it would catch on in place of PPV.

    Originally posted by UFCMPunk
    Does this make it worse they released a bunch of talent last year now? I guess this makes up for the Saudi money they don't get due to COVID.
    I think we all knew most of the talent released were talent they were probably gonna release anyways, but like most companies in 2020, used Covid as an excuse to do something.
    Last edited by Majingir; 01-25-2021, 06:19 PM.

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    • SmashMan
      All Star
      • Dec 2004
      • 9748

      #9227
      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by reyes the roof
      This seems like a strange deal for NBC if the 5 year/$1billion figure is accurate. Even If it doesn’t cost them a penny to add all the WWE subscribers, they’d need approximately 1.6 million subscribers on the 9.99 plan to break even. Is there a hidden value in adding the WWE network to their platform that I’m not seeing?
      Quick boost to their subscription numbers for better PR, maybe? It's also content for NBC that they doesn't have to produce themselves. Maybe they think that offsets some of the cost?

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      • dubcity
        Hall Of Fame
        • May 2012
        • 17874

        #9228
        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

        I'm sure the end goal is to be like Netflix and get their subscriber base up to the point that they can throw more and more money at original programming, and eventually ditch all outside licensed content (WWE included).

        Edit: or at some point they just buy WWE outright?
        Last edited by dubcity; 01-25-2021, 07:04 PM.

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        • Majingir
          Moderator
          • Apr 2005
          • 47668

          #9229
          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

          I just don't see WWE ever selling like that.

          The most I could see is them doing is having the McMahon family staying the majority owner, but a company buys stakes in them too.

          It's not like Steph/HHH/Shane are like children of longtime sports owners you eventually see just sell the team after they take control. Steph/HHH at least are heavily involved in the day to day operations. I can't imagine WWE outright selling the majority of the company to someone like NBC, Disney or whoever, if the McMahon family still plans on being there.

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          • Brother Love
            MVP
            • Jun 2017
            • 1826

            #9230
            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

            That’s the best spam bump ever.


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            • Majingir
              Moderator
              • Apr 2005
              • 47668

              #9231
              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

              Rewatched the 05 Rumble.

              Wasn't great but wasn't horrible. Really shows you the next part of the RA era with guys like Edge being given more of the spotlight, I never realized Eddie and Benoit started the rumble. You had some forgettable names in that one like Simon Dean, Luther (not Roman) Reigns, Rene Dupree, Kenzo Suzuki and more. Nice f4 though with Cena,Batista,Mysterio,Edge. From 05-10 all 4 of those guys would end up winning the rumble.

              Of course the best part...McMahon coming out, tears everything, and just sits in the ring while nobody knows what's going on. And then he still sits there for a good 2 minutes it felt like. That was the craziest and most head scratching ending ever. It just abruptly ended with the restart and finish. I know Batistas feet did touch first, but what was the plan for the ending of the rumble? Was Batista supposed to win the first try but they had to restart since they messed it up, which is why McMahon randomly shows up and the restarted match went 5 seconds?

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              • SmashMan
                All Star
                • Dec 2004
                • 9748

                #9232
                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by Majingir
                Of course the best part...McMahon coming out, tears everything, and just sits in the ring while nobody knows what's going on. And then he still sits there for a good 2 minutes it felt like. That was the craziest and most head scratching ending ever. It just abruptly ended with the restart and finish. I know Batistas feet did touch first, but what was the plan for the ending of the rumble? Was Batista supposed to win the first try but they had to restart since they messed it up, which is why McMahon randomly shows up and the restarted match went 5 seconds?
                If I remember (it's been a while, obviously), you've got it right. Batista was supposed to win, but both accidentally went over and out. Vince came out, his legs exploded, then they adlibbed some finish to just get it done.

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                Watched the "First Women's Royal Rumble Roundtable"...I don't recommend it. It's 17 minutes and most of it is Charlotte and Natalya finding new ways to say how groundbreaking it was - they've got that corporate phrasing down. Sasha and Mickie are just kinda there.

                Anyone watch the Pat Patterson thing? I'm sure it's good, I just didn't feel like committing an hour to something tonight.
                Last edited by SmashMan; 01-28-2021, 04:26 AM.

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                • dubcity
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • May 2012
                  • 17874

                  #9233
                  Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread


                  That'll leave a mark.

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                  • Majingir
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 47668

                    #9234
                    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                    Onto the 2016 rumble. Sucks how wrestling is, but you can look back on a year and see it better than it probably was. 2016 was a nice year for WWE.

                    That rumble was great!

                    Reigns title on the line, he enters #1

                    AJ debut (this is the worst camera botch in rumble history, Edges return being 2nd, production truck messed it up and they didnt fix it on the network)

                    RTruth enters and thinks it's the MITB match

                    Social Outcasts Curtis Axels 1 year long rumble streak is over!

                    This is first time I'm watching anything featuring Luke Harper/Brodie Lee. Still feels weird knowing he's gone. Fun seeing him and Stardust going at it for most of their time in the match and he eliminates Cody.

                    Neville/Pac, Stardust/Cody, Harper/Brodie and Jericho, Ambrose/Mox at one point were 5 of the 7 guys in the rumble at the same time. Fun AEW moment to see knowing where those guys would be 3-4 years later.

                    League of Nations takes out Reigns

                    Wyatt Family takes out Lesnar

                    Sami Zayn OLE chants (and chants in general) is one thing in sports/wwe I miss about no fans. Fake crowd noise is one thing, but nothing replicates this.

                    HHH comes in at #30 to a HUGE pop and eliminates Reigns to an even bigger pop and becomes champ and sets up the WM match (in a small way I'm glad he won because I got to go to a Network show 2 months later where HHH was the champ. Might be the final non WM event he ever entered a match as WWE champ in his career)

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                    • SmashMan
                      All Star
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 9748

                      #9235
                      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by Majingir
                      HHH comes in at #30 to a HUGE pop and eliminates Reigns to an even bigger pop and becomes champ and sets up the WM match (in a small way I'm glad he won because I got to go to a Network show 2 months later where HHH was the champ. Might be the final non WM event he ever entered a match as WWE champ in his career)
                      Triple H at #30 was great storytelling. Would’ve been 100x better going into Mania with a face people were actually behind, but it was a solid story nonetheless.

                      Is the later Triple H match you mention the one vs Ambrose? I loved that match. Might have to go back and watch it now.

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                      • Majingir
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 47668

                        #9236
                        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by SmashMan
                        Triple H at #30 was great storytelling. Would’ve been 100x better going into Mania with a face people were actually behind, but it was a solid story nonetheless.



                        Is the later Triple H match you mention the one vs Ambrose? I loved that match. Might have to go back and watch it now.
                        Ya, HHH vs Ambrose with the false finish. I didnt fall for it, I was in perfect view to see HHHs foot on the rope and everyone was going crazy and I knew his foot was on the rope.

                        That show was so great because I originally just bought tickets because it was a Saturday night house show (which as I mentioned before should be WWEs new schedule once they start touring again. SD TV on Friday, SD house show Saturday, Raw house show Sunday, Raw TV on Monday, Tuesday-Thursday is off days). They changed it to a network special out of nowhere.

                        It was basically a WM alternative card. I believe it was Lesnar vs Harper as well. Charlotte (with Ric) vs Natalya was nice. New Days debuted Booty Os!
                        Last edited by Majingir; 01-28-2021, 11:46 PM.

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                        • DJ
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 17756

                          #9237
                          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                          That was a really good Rumble. Watched it back about a week ago myself. I don't remember the reasoning why it didn't happen, but based on what happened in the match, you would've thought we'd get Lesnar vs. Wyatt at WrestleMania.
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                          • Majingir
                            Moderator
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 47668

                            #9238
                            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                            Going into a more recent rumble now. 2018.

                            New Day saving Kofi with Kofis foot landing on Woods who is waiting on the ground was perfect.

                            Then he uses pancakes to stand on. Then Big E and Woods go cheerleader move and fling him back in the ring and he eliminates Jinder. Then the best part, Woods and E charge at Jinder and start throwing pancakes at him. Lots of pancakes. At times I feel like these moments aren't part of the script, but E just does it for fun.

                            Hurricane in the rumble got a HUGE pop and he almost slips on pancakes.

                            Adam Coles reaction was huge as well, especially the ADAM COLE BAY BAY!

                            Mysterio surprise entrant gets big pop too.


                            How I miss these kinds of crowds.
                            Last edited by Majingir; 01-29-2021, 10:31 PM.

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                            • Majingir
                              Moderator
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 47668

                              #9239
                              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                              First womens rumble!

                              Probably the best of the 3 we've had so far because they went all out with the surprises.

                              Steph on commentary was weird. Must have been awkward for Graves to go crazy over Mandy when his boss is right beside him.

                              Huge Undertaker chants when McCool enters, and huge "John Cena sucks" chants when Nikki comes out and big Yes chants for Brie.

                              Vickies entrance was great. "EXCUSE ME!"

                              You could see the entire arena ride before #30 even came out. Trish vs Mickie with a huge ovation.

                              Fans got scared when they thought it was gonna be a Bella twins f2.


                              I watched the roundtable about it. Did seem weird Charlotte was there since she wasn't in it, but she was a big part of the division and had best seat in the house to see it.

                              It's always cool seeing the behind the scenes moments. I often like these just as much if not more than the actual on tv moments. Seeing them announce that the match is main eventing the show to the entire group of participants is huge. Nobody knew how to react.

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                              • Majingir
                                Moderator
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 47668

                                #9240
                                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                                Last Rumble rewatch, last year's rumbles.

                                Womens one was fun. Fans loved seeing Mighty Molly. Naomi's save this year was cool too. Santinas moment was funny. Beth made that appearance so much with her facial expressions.

                                As for the mens rumble, Lesnars dominance to start was funny when he just sprinted out of the ring to get to Elias. MVPs return got a nice pop, chased Heyman around the ring, and Lesnar was dancing during his entrance.

                                Keith Lee enters, Lesnar actually said "Ooooooooooo, big boy!" They really built up Keith huge here.

                                I knew Lesnar eliminated almost half the field, but forgot that he set the record. Strowmans has an * to me since that wasn't a traditional 30 man rumble, and you knew they probably got forced to have a record set at that show.

                                Fans went insane for Lesnars elimination! That was walk off home run to win a playoff game level loud. Even serenading him on his way to the back.

                                And of course Edges return with one of biggest reactions you'll ever have in any era! Dont know who Edge faces this year at WM, but he had his first stare down with AJ, and eliminated AJ and OC, maybe we see that? AJ faced Taker in his last match, story can be that he wants to retire Edge too and avenge his Rumble elimination a year ago?
                                Last edited by Majingir; 01-30-2021, 11:21 PM.

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