Raw 1/27/14: If you quit watching for awhile, I wouldn't blame you.

[Red Kafe]

Re: Raw 1/27/14: If you quit watching for awhile, I wouldn't blame you.



DDP Yoga for the win


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[aholbert32]

Re: Raw 1/27/14: If you quit watching for awhile, I wouldn't blame you.

Ironically, when they took a risk, it was the best time in WWE history, with that being the Attitude Era.

One man doesn't make a PPV alone, you have to an entire decent card built around him. It's like football. One man doesn't make a team, it takes a group of quality individuals to carry that team to a Super Bowl.

Different time. 1) The WWE wasnt a public company during the Attitude era. Vince only had himself to answer to during that time. Also, the WWE was losing the Monday Night Wars so they had nothing to lose by taking the risk and going more hardcore. That isnt the case now.

2)One man can carry a PPV. That has been the case since the Attitude era. The Main Event typically is what is the draw for most casual fans and those are the ones who make up a big percentage of the ppv buys. Also Summerslam wasnt a weak card. Bryan v. Cena/Lesnar v. Punk were great headlining matches.

Look, I'm a huge Bryan fan. I want to see him succeed. But if I was a shareholder and I had a choice between a guy who has headlined PPVs and Wrestlemanias vs. a guy who brought in low PPV numbers in the two PPVs he's headlined.....I'm taking guy number one.

What I dont get is if people love Bryan so much...why didnt they buy Summerslam or Night of Champions?

[TheShizNo1]

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Kane has looked fit for a while.

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[ChaseB]

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Different time. 1) The WWE wasnt a public company during the Attitude era. Vince only had himself to answer to during that time. Also, the WWE was losing the Monday Night Wars so they had nothing to lose by taking the risk and going more hardcore. That isnt the case now.

2)One man can carry a PPV. That has been the case since the Attitude era. The Main Event typically is what is the draw for most casual fans and those are the ones who make up a big percentage of the ppv buys. Also Summerslam wasnt a weak card. Bryan v. Cena/Lesnar v. Punk were great headlining matches.

Look, I'm a huge Bryan fan. I want to see him succeed. But if I was a shareholder and I had a choice between a guy who has headlined PPVs and Wrestlemanias vs. a guy who brought in low PPV numbers in the two PPVs he's headlined.....I'm taking guy number one.

What I dont get is if people love Bryan so much...why didnt they buy Summerslam or Night of Champions?

SummerSlam was a two-match card, and if you're saying Bryan didn't draw I don't get that as it's still Cena and Punk/Lesnar on that card.

The Night of Champions card was brutal and during that weird stretch of 100 PPVs in 30 days I believe. I'm not even really trying to defend the buy rates either, I just don't see that as THE argument as even the WWE clearly doesn't care about PPVs now anyway.

[eremiomania]

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Only Dean and Seth on the radio. Not really talking story line stuff as expected. Fluff piece.

[TheShizNo1]

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Different time. 1) The WWE wasnt a public company during the Attitude era. Vince only had himself to answer to during that time. Also, the WWE was losing the Monday Night Wars so they had nothing to lose by taking the risk and going more hardcore. That isnt the case now.

2)One man can carry a PPV. That has been the case since the Attitude era. The Main Event typically is what is the draw for most casual fans and those are the ones who make up a big percentage of the ppv buys. Also Summerslam wasnt a weak card. Bryan v. Cena/Lesnar v. Punk were great headlining matches.

Look, I'm a huge Bryan fan. I want to see him succeed. But if I was a shareholder and I had a choice between a guy who has headlined PPVs and Wrestlemanias vs. a guy who brought in low PPV numbers in the two PPVs he's headlined.....I'm taking guy number one.

What I dont get is if people love Bryan so much...why didnt they buy Summerslam or Night of Champions?

So you would ignore what you heard last night and just go with the status quo? That's why PPV numbers are what they are now. Not because of the guy that has been getting the biggest pops of the locker room.


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[aholbert32]

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SummerSlam was a two-match card, and if you're saying Bryan didn't draw I don't get that as it's still Cena and Punk/Lesnar on that card.

The Night of Champions card was brutal and during that weird stretch of 100 PPVs in 30 days I believe. I'm not even really trying to defend the buy rates either, I just don't see that as THE argument as even the WWE clearly doesn't care about PPVs now anyway.

I think they look at it this way: Summerslam 2012 was a 2 match card also. Lesnar/Triple H and Punk/Cena and it did good PPV numbers. One year later, there was another 2 match card at Summerslam 2013 but the only difference is that Bryan was in one of the matches. 2013's ppv numbers took a significant dip.

Also, I compeletely disagree that the WWE doesnt care about PPVs anymore. Even with the addition of the WWE network, most of the viewers who watch WM this year will still be watching through traditional options like PPV. That may change in the future as the network grows but right now ppv and their TV deals are their most significant streams of revenue.

They are taking a financial hit with the WWE network for the first few years. By making Bryan the headliner, you are asking your shareholders to take a second risk with a guy who hasnt proven to be a ppv draw.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I wonder if there's a way to see if ratings go up or down during certain matches.

Didn't goh used to post stuff like that?

[DJ]

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Has anyone checked on goh to see if he's OK after last night's developments? I'm sure he's struggling with the fact that Batista and Orton will be headlining WM 30.

[aholbert32]

Re: Raw 1/27/14: If you quit watching for awhile, I wouldn't blame you.

So you would ignore what you heard last night and just go with the status quo? That's why PPV numbers are what they are now. Not because of the guy that has been getting the biggest pops of the locker room.


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I wouldnt ignore it but I would wait a little bit. They have 2 months to correct this if its an actual movement behind Bryan. I'll give you an example: You guys know that every year the Raw after Wrestlemania is filled with hardcore fans. 2 years ago, they went nuts when it came to Bryan and that helped kick start his push. One year ago, that crowd went nuts for Fandango. Fandango isnt ready for that kind of push. There were a ton of hardcore fans there last night.

My point is that one night shouldnt cause them to adjust their plans yet. If they go to Cleveland tonight or other places and the reaction is the same than make that move. Use the Elimination Chamber to put the belt on Bryan and have him face Batista with Batista as the heel. Or do a Triple Threat with Bryan/Orton/Batista.

I'm talking too much but I have a feeling that Bryan will be involved in the WM Main anyway. Punk wont be involved because his contract is coming up soon and I think the Cena/Wyatt feud may run until WM. I just understand why the WWE would be hesitant based on past performances.

[DJ]

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I wouldnt ignore it but I would wait a little bit. They have 2 months to correct this if its an actual movement behind Bryan. I'll give you an example: You guys know that every year the Raw after Wrestlemania is filled with hardcore fans. 2 years ago, they went nuts when it came to Bryan and that helped kick start his push. One year ago, that crowd went nuts for Fandango. Fandango isnt ready for that kind of push. There were a ton of hardcore fans there last night.

My point is that one night shouldnt cause them to adjust their plans yet. If they go to Cleveland tonight or other places and the reaction is the same than make that move. Use the Elimination Chamber to put the belt on Bryan and have him face Batista with Batista as the heel. Or do a Triple Threat with Bryan/Orton/Batista.

I'm talking too much but I have a feeling that Bryan will be involved in the WM Main anyway. Punk wont be involved because his contract is coming up soon and I think the Cena/Wyatt feud may run until WM. I just understand why the WWE would be hesitant based on past performances.

This isn't a one-night thing with Bryan, though. He's been getting massive reactions for months, yet WWE seems intent on cutting him off at the pass every time it makes sense to elevate him to the top of the card.

[Chrisksaint]

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I'm kinda glad Bryan didn't win the rumble just cause we had him face Cena or Orton the last time he was involved with the title.

It sucks that he wasn't in the rumble, but I'm more frustrated with it because the rumble itself lacked big names in the match or surprises. I certainly understand it tho as he came off a concussion an already put on the match of the night.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Raw 1/27/14: If you quit watching for awhile, I wouldn't blame you.

I wouldnt ignore it but I would wait a little bit. They have 2 months to correct this if its an actual movement behind Bryan. I'll give you an example: You guys know that every year the Raw after Wrestlemania is filled with hardcore fans. 2 years ago, they went nuts when it came to Bryan and that helped kick start his push. One year ago, that crowd went nuts for Fandango. Fandango isnt ready for that kind of push. There were a ton of hardcore fans there last night.

My point is that one night shouldnt cause them to adjust their plans yet. If they go to Cleveland tonight or other places and the reaction is the same than make that move. Use the Elimination Chamber to put the belt on Bryan and have him face Batista with Batista as the heel. Or do a Triple Threat with Bryan/Orton/Batista.

I'm talking too much but I have a feeling that Bryan will be involved in the WM Main anyway. Punk wont be involved because his contract is coming up soon and I think the Cena/Wyatt feud may run until WM. I just understand why the WWE would be hesitant based on past performances.

Not even in the same stratosphere, man. This thing with DB has been going on for a while. And go look on Twitter, they're getting killed right now, still.

And it's not just DB, it's this flashback to 2007 with Cena, Orton, Batista, HHH in the main event spotlight. It amazes me even more that Punk was on top for as long as he was.

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[DJ]

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I also don't buy the argument about Bryan not being a PPV draw. That falls on WWE for not doing enough to make fans believe that Bryan is being offered a fair chance to make it as a main event player.

All those PPV's with Orton, no one was buying them because all WWE did for weeks was end RAW's with Bryan being laid out by The Authority, and when it came time to have the PPV, most knew WWE would find some way to keep the title away from Bryan ... heck, the title was held-up for nearly 2 months because WWE just refused to even give Bryan a small run, similar to the Foley-Rock feud in 1998/99.

It's easy for WWE to point a finger at Bryan and say, 'see, the PPV numbers are low because no one wants to pay to see Daniel Bryan wrestle.' I look at it like no one wants to buy a WWE PPV because the fans have no faith that WWE will actually do right by its wrestlers that, against all the over-booked, over-scripted production that WWE has become, have managed to get over with the crowd.

[J_Posse]

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I'm saddened, but not surprised by the direction of the WWE and the WWEWHC picture. They used a part-time competitor in two straight main events and now are using Batista to make it a third straight year. Obviously, they don't have confidence that the new guard (Bryan, Punk and a like) can sell the biggest PPV of them all. I believe they feel that going with a known entity ( Cena, Rock, Orton and Batista) is better than risking the biggest show, and money maker, on the crowd and IWC's favorite guys.

I'm just saddest for Daniel Bryan. Yes, he will still be at 'Mania and is living his dream, but they've essentially crapped on him during what could have been two of the biggest moments of his career/life (Wrestlemania 28 and potentially 'Mania 30). Now, all he has is SummerSlam '13 and what could have been.

**** Batista, I knew where this was headed as soon as that bum was re-signed. He's terrible in every facet of wrestling, but is loved by Triple H and is a hulking brute (which Vince loves). The guy should have stayed away and left us with his decent heel run in 2010/2011 as our last memory of him. Really wish he hadn't return.

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