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  • HarkTheSound
    MVP
    • Dec 2007
    • 1167

    #691
    Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

    Lol, they blow you out then you absolutely maul them in the rematch...awesome. Hopefully this will give the team momentum going into next season. Congrats on finishing another year in this fantastic legacy!
    Bengals
    UNC Tar Heels(Football and Basketball)

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    • peeegz
      Rookie
      • Apr 2008
      • 195

      #692
      Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

      Woah, blow out city! Congrats on the NIT Championship.. That should parlay into some great momentum for next season.

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      • mpejkrm
        Banned
        • Apr 2012
        • 404

        #693
        Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

        Congrats on the NIT title and the extension! Things are looking up in manhattan!

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        • waytofailself
          MVP
          • Feb 2011
          • 1522

          #694
          Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)


          2018 Season Wrap Up

          Final Four

          #1 Arizona State 89 #1 NC State 81
          #1 Connecticut 82 #2 Syracuse 77

          Final
          #1 Arizona State 80 #1 Connecticut 94

          End of Season Awards

          National Champion
          : Connecticut
          NIT Champion: Kansas State
          NCAA Player of the Year: Dedrick Ozier (C NC State)
          NCAA Mid-Major Player of the Year: Cedric Edwin (C Siena)
          NCAA Coach of the Year: David Carter (Connecticut)
          NCAA Defensive Player of the Year: Byron Winans (SF Wake Forest)
          NCAA Big Man of the Year: Dedrick Ozier (C NC State)
          NCAA Freshman of the Year: DaMarcus Ross (C Kansas State)


          While it is great to see just how much Ross developed under West's tutaledge in his Freshman year, the NBA will be calling for someone who is so tall (7'1") and has so much potential (A). He will probably be around Manhattan, KS next season, but how much longer after that?

          First Team All-American
          PG: Adham Schmieder (Iowa)
          SG: Logon Hinrich (Maryland)
          SF: Byron Winans (Wake Forest)
          PF: Claude CHristie (Dayton)
          C: Dedrick Ozier (NC State)

          Second Team All-American
          PG: Brooks Nixon (Gonzaga)
          SG: Von Felton (Georgia Tech)
          SF: Vasilis opacic (LSU)
          PF: Brody Wong (Louisville)
          C: Andy Blake (Minnesota)

          Freshman All American
          PG: Lee Shumate (Auburn)
          SG: Curtis McCollum (UNLV)
          SF: Branduinn Gatling (Kansas State)
          PF: R. Castillo (Wisconsin) -- ed note: who I barely missed out on getting
          C: DaMarcus Ross (Kansas State)

          Multiple All-Americans is a great achievement for Kansas State. One wonders whether we will be seeing their names listed in the columns above in future years. Both Gatling and Ross will make it to the NBA one day (barring injury). For Gatling, like Ross as noted above, it is a matter of when, not if.



          BIG XII Champions
          : Missouri
          BIG XII Conference Tournament Winner: Iowa State
          BIG XII Coach of the Year: Mike Anderson (Missouri)
          BIG XII Player of the Year: L.F. Callahan (C Nebraska)
          BIG XII Freshman of the Year: DaMarcus Ross (Kansas State)


          First Team All-BIG 12
          PG: Stalin Stiles (Baylor)
          SG: Jerrad Edwards (Iowa State)
          SF: Stevin Robins (Colorado)
          PF: Jermaine Rasmussen (Missouri)
          C: L.F. Callahan (Nebraska)

          Second Team All-BIG 12
          PG: Antonio Lamb (Oklahoma)
          SG: Thad Burleson (JR Texas Tech)
          SF: Fats Blair (JR Baylor)
          PF: Kinley Crites (Texas)
          C: Calvin Galbreath (Iowa State)

          Freshman All-BIG 12
          PG: Raheim Dickerson (Baylor)
          SG: Jeremy Jarrell (Oklahoma State)
          SF: Branduinn Gatling (Kansas State)
          PF: Al Miles (Nebraska)
          C: DaMarcus Ross (Kansas State)

          2018 Coaching Carousel Summary

          Georgia Coach APSU retired, replaced by B. Braun (VST)
          Saint Louis R. Majerus retires, replaced by C. Lowery (SUI)
          Tulane fires B. Noel, hires Blanney Murry (UNEMP)
          Massachusets fires C. Harriman, hires B. B. Taylor (APSU)


          End of Season Reflections

          The Wildcats took a step towards the future this season. Their late season drop out of the NCAA field is lamentable, but forgivable. The team is young, and Coach West had to do his best to get the most talent out of his squad and teach them AND hit the recruiting trail hard. And what does Kansas State have to show for it? Accolades and a trophy? Sure. But maybe the biggest prize of all is keeping Coach West around.

          It is an open secret that there has been a clashing of heads and styles between Coach West and the Kansas State Athletic Director. While the friction never spilled out into the public, their relationship reportedly frosted after some disagreements in how to approach the team and the program. According to inside accounts, Coach West decided to turn his full attention to the basketball program instead of create a stink and create a poor environment for his young squad to grow in.

          Some were surprised that West and Kansas State were able to come to terms to an agreement before the season. But the deciding factor may have been borne straight from the West's isolation. According to parties who do not wish to be identified, the Kansas State AD canvassed others who had worked with West in the past and learned a simple, if sometimes troublesome, axiom: West works best when he is allowed to work unimpeded. While no one knows what was discussed in their contract talk before the team left for New York, apparently it had less to do with contract terms and more to do with working conditions.

          Does this mean Kansas State may have to deal with the occasional headache of Coach West's temperament or on court antics? Sure. But is the basketball program better to travel down the rabbit hole with him? Absolutely.

          Kansas State 2017-2018 Season Stats Stats - 2018
          PlayerGPMINPPGRPGAPGSPGBPGTPGFPG
          D. Ross3316.913.46.01.80.72.21.22.5
          D. Walls3318.813.26.21.90.91.41.22.0
          B. Gatling3320.012.74.72.40.50.21.11.4
          D. Worthington3313.58.33.30.80.50.80.81.5
          E. Kummer3320.67.43.82.80.50.30.91.2
          R. Guzman339.76.22.50.40.30.50.50.9
          J. Guzman3321.56.22.27.00.70.01.81.4
          M. Mathis3311.12.72.51.10.40.20.50.8
          M. Martin337.91.80.82.90.50.00.80.5
          J. Hayes222.61.50.30.20.10.00.10.1
          C. Geiger326.31.00.90.80.20.00.30.4
          K. Mendoza182.30.40.30.20.20.00.10.0

          As for West's management of the team, it is interesting to see how he stuck with his plan of developing younger players by giving them minutes through thick and thin. Roger Guzman proved to be a very efficient player, especially by the end of the season, but his minutes were still limited. Having three reliable big bodies is a luxury enough -- but there may not be minutes to spare to rotate four.

          Meanwhile, Justin Guzman's conditioning really saved this team. He was able to carry a heavy load at point guard throughout the season. Fortunately, West will have more than Micheal Martin to lean on next season, but the NIT run would not have been possible with the Senior floor general who had spent his entire time at KSU waiting in the wings.

          Finally, Coach West will need to figure out what to do with Esteban Kummer. He is a versatile player, but not quite fast enough to keep up with everyone at the 2 spot. With new bodies coming in, Kummer could have to come off the bench and may lose a chunk of minutes despite providing good production -- especially in the passing game. Time will tell if Kummer remains in the starting lineup or shifts to being the sixth man.

          ed note: updated OP with stats & info, but sadly there is no 2kshare to post to
          Last edited by waytofailself; 03-16-2013, 10:35 PM.
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          • waytofailself
            MVP
            • Feb 2011
            • 1522

            #695
            Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

            Originally posted by xlegendkillax
            Lol, they blow you out then you absolutely maul them in the rematch...awesome. Hopefully this will give the team momentum going into next season. Congrats on finishing another year in this fantastic legacy!
            It was close for so long, but it reminded me a lot of the Ohio State game when I won it wall with Drexel. Early on they could not miss, but I couldn't either. I kept adjusting and eventually just thought "surely they can't keep hitting these." My defense was much better after the half, and that was that.

            Glad you're enjoying it. Next season is already on the way!

            Originally posted by peeegz
            Woah, blow out city! Congrats on the NIT Championship.. That should parlay into some great momentum for next season.
            Momentum is always the goal. Especially with an NIT win -- it's kind of bitter sweet because you get a trophy but you didn't get to play in the big kid pool. "Parlay" is an appropriate word to use here. That's certainly the goal moving from this season to next.

            Originally posted by mpejkrm
            Congrats on the NIT title and the extension! Things are looking up in manhattan!
            Up for Coach West at least. As for the Wildcats? Well, I got robbed in recruiting, but not in the way you think.
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            • mpejkrm
              Banned
              • Apr 2012
              • 404

              #696
              Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

              Ooh, now I'm intrigued! Looking forward to it. Not a huge deal, but would you mind postig the stats of the NCAA all-americans?

              Good luck and congrats on nearly two RL years of legacy

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              • waytofailself
                MVP
                • Feb 2011
                • 1522

                #697
                Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                Originally posted by mpejkrm
                Ooh, now I'm intrigued! Looking forward to it. Not a huge deal, but would you mind postig the stats of the NCAA all-americans?

                Good luck and congrats on nearly two RL years of legacy
                Thanks. In a way, it's hard to believe that it has "only" been two years.

                I can fish up the all-american stats the next time I have an opportunity to get to that save file and write them down.
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                • waytofailself
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1522

                  #698
                  Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)


                  Recruiting Recap: This Could Get Fun & Ugly

                  How does he do it? Norfolk or Philadelphia? Sure, there's answers. But Manhattan, KS is considered one of the least desirable, most depressing and despondent college atmospheres in the country. In the past, the area has scared away recruits. But on days like today, it looks like Coach West has turned another corner for the program in what must be considered one of the greatest recruiting classes of all time.

                  Kansas State End of Season Recruiting - 2018
                  NAMEPOSCLASSHOMETOWNHTWTCALIBER
                  #2 Roland Sanders (AA)#2 PFHSShreveport, LA (Mr. BB)6'7"213
                  #7 Duncan Bird (AA)#1 SGHSBrookings, SD (Mr. BB)6'3"192
                  #8 L.L. Burns (AA)#2 SGHSSt. Louis, MO (Mr. BB)6'1"183
                  #16 Brent Coggins (AA)#2 SFHSDallas, TX6'8"226
                  Barney ConroyPGJUCOSan Bernadino, CA6'3"221

                  Three of these players were signed mid season, and according to West there was not too much competition among the later signings to sign up. In fact, Coach West had his pick of a number of top prospects to bring into the fold, but in the end he settled with four of the top 16 prospects in the country. Adding in the top Junior College transfer is just icing on the cake.

                  Of course, the press has decided, oddly enough, to stop with their "instant analysis" of ranking recruiting classes as soon as they're signed, instead waiting for practice time and off-season development to gauge how players might pan out on rosters. It seems odd that Kansas State would haul in such a decorated class and not finish #1, but that's exactly what happened:

                  NCAA Top Recruiting Classes - Rated October 1, 2018
                  RKTEAM54321TOTAL
                  1Louisville (3 AA 3 Mr BB)310004
                  2Maryland (1 AA 1 Mr BB)234009
                  3Kansas State (4 AA 3 Mr BB)500005
                  4North Carolina (3 AA 1 Mr BB)310004
                  5Georgia Tech (3 AA 2 Mr BB)320005
                  6Florida State (2 AA 1 Mr BB)220004
                  7Xavier (0 AA 1 Mr BB)031004
                  8South Carolina (0 AA 0 Mr BB)003205
                  9Connecticut (1 AA 2 Mr BB)141006
                  10Memphis (0 AA 1 Mr BB)021104

                  Despite not getting a #1 recruiting class feather in his cap, Coach West will have to be excited about the players he has brought in. These young players compliment the members of his squad very well already. Expectations in Manhattan will have risen significantly, but that's part of the ball game. One wonders if anything short of a National Title in the next four years will be a disappointment. Time will tell.

                  Roland Saunders (PF from Shreveport, LA; All-American & Mr. Basketball): Definitely the surprise get of the class, Saunders was thought to be interested in schools with a bigger need for his position. The Wildcats are stacked in the front court, but Saunders gives them an entirely different dimension. He can shoot from outside as good as anybody, and he can throw his body around in the paint. He has a complete offensive game, and his defense is not far behind. So why Manhattan, KS? Because he wants a coach who will help him succeed at the next level: the NBA.

                  Duncan Bird (SG from Brookings, SD; All-American & Mr. Basketball): To Bird, the basket is just a simple plaything. Few were better than him in the country at getting points on the board. He has a sweet shooting stroke and unlimited shooting range, but also has speed and size to break down almost any wing defender and get his own shot. Bird fills a glaring hole for the Wildcats, and it would not be a surprise if he was constantly at the front of the pack on fast breaks -- at least if his 3 medals from state track meets his senior year are any indication.

                  L.L. Burns (SG from St. Louis, MO; All-American & Mr. Basketball): The undersized combo guard in the vien of Monta Ellis or Russel Westbrook is back and now in Manhattan. Burns is a great defender whose quick hands frustrate opponents, but he also has a good level of offensive savvy. He is a good passer who still needs to work on not calling his own number first and getting his teammates involved. But he has many skills Coach West will be able to take advantage of wherever he fits in the back court rotation.

                  Brent Coggins (SF from Dallas, TX; All-American): If this class is any indication, Coach West cannot have enough shooters. Coggins is long, can shoot the three, and can run around defenders with huge strides. If this sounds familiar -- it should. His game is very similar to Branduinn Gatling. But if you strike gold, why only pick at the vein once? Coggins is another player who will be able to space the floor and ease pressure on the big men.

                  Barney Conroy (PG from San Bernadino, CA; JRCO Freshman): Last, but certainly not least, is the only true point guard of this year's class. Conroy has incredible size and strength for his position, and while he is an adequate shooter his biggest strength is floor vision. Often times he finds team mates who are open before they know they are open. Conroy should be able to fit in right away in West's scheme because he fits the mold to a T. He is a pass first point guard, but can make a shot and keep the defense honest when the need arises.
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                  • HarkTheSound
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 1167

                    #699
                    Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                    Wow, that is an absolutely star-studded recruiting class. Combined with all those big guys you recruited and this team is gonna be stacked in 2 years or so once everyone develops.
                    Last edited by HarkTheSound; 03-17-2013, 02:26 PM.
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                    UNC Tar Heels(Football and Basketball)

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                    • waytofailself
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1522

                      #700
                      Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                      Originally posted by xlegendkillax
                      Wow, that is an absolutely star-studded recruiting class. Combined with all those big guys you recruited and this team is gonna be stacked in 2 years or so once everyone develops.
                      I was shocked I was able to reel in so many people, but considering I had no returning guards I had a lot of high interest. Being able to grab the two forwards was more about "who will best fit my style." I would love it if Saunders was taller, but 6'7" isn't unreasonable for a PF in 2k8 if he can bang down low.

                      And my team's overall rating next year will be enough to compete. Unity will be an issue (I have effects set at 100 for user and cpu), but what my squad may lack in elite talent it will be able to more than make up for in terms of sheer depth. My rotation could easily have some players with a higher overall coming off the bench. You'll see what I mean when I post the roster.
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                      • imerson259
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 43

                        #701
                        Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                        Unreal, there won't be a single weak point on the roster.
                        Like a black Steve Nash who's white

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                        • waytofailself
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 1522

                          #702
                          Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)


                          2018-2019 Season Preview

                          This is why Guy West was so hotly pursued years ago, and this is what fans were hoping for when he cam to Kansas State. Very few in the country can say they are as good at building a talent base as West, but the time has come for the Wildcats to take the next step. They are more than good enough to break into the NCAA Tournament. An NIT Championship won't be good enough this year. Instead, how far can this squad make it. It is not unprecedented for a team so young to reach the Final Four, although hopefully there are no recruiting violations that would render it null a la Michigan.

                          But with new contract in hand, a team full of players he brought in, and the program and fan base behind him instead of on his back, this should be Guy West's year. With the talent on this roster, better be.

                          Coach Guy West
                          (numbers in parentheses are from most recent season)
                          Total Legacy Points: 74487 (10583)
                          Coaching Record: 209-66 (22-11)

                          Legacy Goals Achieved
                          (1 Point +1 On Holdover)
                          Accumulate 200 Career Wins

                          West's Coaching Attribute Changes
                          Overall: A (+1)
                          Offense: A
                          Defense: A-
                          Teaching: A+
                          Scouting: C+ (+2)
                          Charisma: A+
                          Discipline: B+

                          Kansas State Roster

                          The Wildcats are a whole new team. Eleven players have been brought in over the past two years, and before entering the fall it looked like six new players would have to be broken into the rotation. After a few necessary, if somewhat controversial, red-shirts, that number is down to four. But while Manhattan won't be able to showcase all of its newest players, the ones that will be battling on the court can match up with almost anyone in the country.

                          2018-2019 Kansas State Wildcats (89 OVR)
                          #NAMEPOSHTWTCLASSHOMETOWN
                          54Dannorriss Walls (83)C6'11"262SOBronx, NY
                          21Clarence Weaver (83)SF6'8"243RS JRMemphis, TN
                          52Dana Worthington (80)C6'9"235SOBethlehem, PA
                          22Barney Conroy (80)PG6'3"230SOSan Bernardino, CA
                          42Roland Saunders (80 R)PF6'7"217FRShreveport, LA
                          34L.L. Burns (80)SG6'1"185FRSt. Louis, MO
                          50DaMarcus Ross (79)C7'1"248SOBaltimore, MD
                          13Duncan Bird (79)SG6'4"200FRBrookings, SD
                          40Roger Guzman (78)C6'10"257SRArvada, CO
                          33Esteban Kummer (78)SF6'7"207SOOxnard, CA
                          24Branduinn Gatling (78)SF6'9"256SOBaltimore, MD
                          55Moses Mathis (76)PF6'7"245SROmaha, NE
                          35Brent Coggins (75 R)SF6'9"226FRDallas, TX
                          10Cori Geiger (71W R)SF6'5"197JRThornton, CO
                          4Micheal Martin (69W)PG6'2"196RS SOTasmania
                          55Jamaul Pinnock (71W)C7'0"222RS FRChico, CA

                          Make no mistake, Brent Coggins and Roland Saunders are good enough to play on nearly every team in the country. Coach West spoke to both of them about the possibility of red-shirtting before recruiting and both were open to the possibility. When asked about why he would break up his "fab five," West said, "It's a matter of minutes. Cogs and Saunders are going to be very good players, but they need time on the court to develop. Redshirtting them is all about maximizing their opportunities while maintaining their eligibility."

                          The move means Roger Guzman and Moses Mathis will continue to see some rotation time, although who knows how much the seniors' minutes will be limited. While West is still working on his rotation and has said it will remain subject to change in the early weeks of the season, for now it looks like Esteban Kummer has been slid to the sixth man role in favor of L.L. Burns. They do have similar skills, with Burns being faster and a better shooter and defender, but West may miss Kummer's extra length against some match ups.

                          The true enigma is Clarence Weaver. The Memphis transfer has a big body and can be a bruising defender. But he is a "good at many things master of none" form of player. West tends to recruit wings who can shoot from a distance, but Weaver needs a lot of work in that department. He tried to establish himself as a slasher and hustle man with the Tigers, but he had trouble breaking into the rotation there. It remains to be seen whether Weaver has similar problems in Manhattan.

                          Kansas State Schedule

                          After the Kansas State Athletic director was panned for creating a schedule that kept the Wildcats out of the NCAA Tournament, there needed to be a fundamental change in philosophy. This year, the Wildcats will have ample opportunity to test their mettle off their home court and on neutral floors. The going is going to be tough, very tough, with 8 of Kansas State's opponents ranked in the pre-season Top 25. But with this kind of schedule, plus a number of quality power and mid-major opponents, the Wildcats will be one of the most tested teams in the country come March. Hopefully they can keep it together and stay relevant.

                          Oh, and one of those 8 Top 25 teams is Drexel. Don't need three guesses to figure how they wound up on the schedule.

                          11/2 Coaches vs Cancer Classic Round 1 vs Bethune-Cookman (63)
                          11/3 Coaches vs Cancer Classic Round 2
                          11/6 vs Western Kentucky (78)
                          11/18 at Dayton (84)
                          11/23 vs Oregon State (87)
                          11/25 at #6 Arizona (88)
                          12/2 vs #9 Utah State (87)
                          12/5 vs #14 Connecticut (90)
                          12/12 vs Ball State (79)
                          12/15 at Duke (86)
                          12/27 vs
                          #22 Drexel (90)
                          1/2 at Georgia Tech (86)
                          1/5 vs Rutgers (78)
                          1/9 at Texas A&M (82)
                          1/11 vs #15 Oklahoma (91)
                          1/16 at Kansas (89)
                          1/20 vs Colorado (85)
                          1/23 vs Texas A&M
                          1/27 at #19 Texas Tech (87)
                          1/30 at #21 Texas (87)
                          2/1 vs Kansas
                          2/6 vs Baylor (83)
                          2/8 at #13 Missouri (88)
                          2/13 vs #21 Texas
                          2/20 at Oklahoma State (86)
                          2/24 at Colorado
                          2/27 vs #19 Texas Tech
                          2/29 vs Iowa State (86)
                          3/5 at Nebraska (83)
                          The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH 2k8 Legacy - Ended)

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                          • AntiBandwagoner
                            Pro
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 963

                            #703
                            Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                            Well that recruiting class is insane, do I smell an NCAA bid this season?

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                            • mpejkrm
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 404

                              #704
                              Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                              Maryland with NINE scholarships?!?! Did they lose their entire team? Jesus, regression is coming...

                              Surprised to see you unranked and Utah State ranked. Something is brewing for the Aggies it seems. That's an insane schedule. Could be tough to crack .500 with that schedule, even with a team of your caliber.

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                              • AntiBandwagoner
                                Pro
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 963

                                #705
                                Re: The Accidental Career of Guy West (CH2k8)

                                Originally posted by mpejkrm
                                Maryland with NINE scholarships?!?! Did they lose their entire team? Jesus, regression is coming...

                                Surprised to see you unranked and Utah State ranked. Something is brewing for the Aggies it seems. That's an insane schedule. Could be tough to crack .500 with that schedule, even with a team of your caliber.
                                Utah State always seems to be ranked in my legacies.

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