Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Blue]

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Wait, is the Big East seriously considering naming their divisions "Blue" and "Red"?

The article made it sounds like its a proposal, I too thought it was a bit odd. I liked an idea I read somewhere, frontier and colonial, sounds much better

[coogrfan]

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Wait, is the Big East seriously considering naming their divisions "Blue" and "Red"?

It's better than "Leaders" and "Legends" ...

[gordogg24p]

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It's better than "Leaders" and "Legends" ...

I don't know, man. People start getting pissy when separated by color.

[jamie1981]

It's better than "Leaders" and "Legends" ...

Agreed. I'm a B1G fan but those division names are lame.

[lonewolf371]

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Agreed. I'm a B1G fan but those division names are lame.

Should be East/West.

[superjames1992]

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It's better than "Leaders" and "Legends" ...

Maybe, but that isn't a high standard to aspire to!

[cdawg44]

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ECU makes perfect sense, Southern Miss would fit but it's a extremely small market, although ECU isn't much bigger, idk about Tulsa they really need to slip into the Big 12 they already rival OK St sometime down the road they could get to that point. Ohio would be a good choice.

ECU just makes the most sense out of all the schools mentioned. In the end, Air Force just won't be possible for various reasons, including needing placement for their Olympic Sports. The Big East probably won't take their olympic sports, so are they gonna pay to put Air Force's sports in the Big West like they did for Boise? I don't think so. Air Force has already stated they don't have the willingness to lose their regional rival games As much as they may want BYU is the money gonna work? After every thing is said and done, BYU is going to need north of 10 million a year for a football-only school to make the move. ESPN, ain't paying that for the new Big East and the NBC potential deal just lost value when Notre Dame went to the ACC. ESPN is saving up and gonna go all in for the Playoffs and the Champions Bowl. NBC was a possible location for a great deal, but Notre Dame going to the ACC messes up their synergy with Big East football. Unless the Big East is going to let BYU keep its tv money, its going to be tough sleding, because honestly BYU likes their independence. They don't have the same scheduling constraints Notre Dame was running into, because they are willing to play the Ohios, Utah States and some FCS teams to make up the difference.

I see the BYU maybe doing a scheduling alliance with the Big 12 or Big East going forward, bringing us back to needing another member. ECU is perfect. They are a deeply passionate footbal school, who sellout a 50,000 seat stadium routinely, with some reach into the Raliegh tv market.

[dickey1331]

Air Force is possible since the guy in charge of the school is retiring next year. He's the one that wanted to stay. The coach also wants to stay but I doubt he'll have much say in this.


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[Caveman24]

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Colorado makes perfect sense in the PAC. Geographically, they might be closer to Ames, Iowa than Seattle, but culturally and academically, Colorado couldn't fit in better.

Southern Cal is no longer a methodist school. BYU's Sunday rule is irrelevant. Football is on Saturday, and there is maybe one men's basketball game on Sunday each week? Not a big deal. Playing Thursday-Saturday baseball isn't a big deal either, it happens several times during the season. The reason BYU isn't in is because they're not a research institution. IF they were, then move to Cal's serious opposition to a religious institution. This is irrelevant though, because they aren't a research institution. Boise State is a junior college, academically speaking. Moving to the business side, they play in a dinky 30K stadium that they can barely fill up in a small town in a small state that offers nothing to a TV contract. Too many people in this topic apparently think that conference alignment works like it does in the NCAA series. It's not about football success. That helps in some instances, but regardless of whether Colorado is miserable in football for the next 8 years, they are a PERFECT cultural and academic fit, and along with Utah, they give the conference a CCG, which is part of why each school now makes 20.6M per year from television contracts, which is more than twice what we had before. Their additions couldn't be working out better.

agreed with everything you just said but I mean from the standpoint of when schools in the conference used to battle for recruits and how you could really tell that 2 teams really hated each other I understand if they making business moves but case point you can't justify when Texas was going join the Pac-12 or other moves that have been thrown out there as a parent it must sucks knowing you can't go to your child's game because there 700 miles playing on the road were if you look at the older conference's everything was local at least 20-30 miles away from each other if you was a big recruit the whole town was on you just to go to this school or that school just so you can help them beat the cross town rival next year the new alignment has taken away the more traditional feel for me just made it unbearable to see some of the moves happening where its turning towards business like and not tradition that's what made this sport so gold and different from the NFL and so on that's just my opinion

[cdawg44]

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Air Force is possible since the guy in charge of the school is retiring next year. He's the one that wanted to stay. The coach also wants to stay but I doubt he'll have much say in this.


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Yes, if they had BYU's situation where their Olympic sports were secure somewhere else I'd totally agree with you. However, no one has answered the question of where the Olympic sports go for Air Force. The Big East isn't going out to Denver for Soccer and Volleyball. So what are the options? Mountain West is a no go because they expect members to be all sport members including football. Boise State tried to keep their olympic sports in the mountain west are were told heck no. The WAC is basically dead now and even if it survives in the short term, it would be so unstable going foward Air Force might be looking for another home soon. The Big Sky just brought in Idaho and is set at 14. The WCC only admits Private, religious affliated schools. The Sun Belt just got rid of a Denver program that they begged to go the WAC to get rid of travel headaches for FAU and FIU. Air Force would never take a step backwards into the Southland Conference or Summit league. Which leaves the Big West. Boise State and Big East are basically paying the Big West to take Boise including giving it up to 5 and 7 percent of Boise's tv money from the Big East every year. Plus Boise Pays a travel subsidy of 750,000 a year on top of that. That dosen't include the 2.5 million dollar entry fee into the Big West that the Big East is also paying. With all that, it was still a struggle to get Boise in. Is the Big East going to pull out all those stops for again just to get Air Force football? While a good football program, they aint Boise. That's why Air Force is more of headache and just won't be viable. If you can point to a league home for Air Force's Olympic Sports, I would love to know because I am out of options.

If the Big East lets BYU keep a good chunck of their tv money or at least third-tier rights, they will be a member tommorrow and if the Big East was smart they give that a shot first before chasing the white whale of Air Force. Army also is laughable as league member, as they were a flat mess as a member of CUSA. Army still feels the sting of that time, and if they were smart, they would steer clear and continue to build their program.

[SC3BBall]

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Big East may finally have its divisions set up, the Red and Blue. They plan on adding a 14th team.

They are going to need to add some teams because Rutgers, Connecticut, and Louisville are all looking for a way out now.

[dickey1331]

They are going to need to add some teams because Rutgers, Connecticut, and Louisville are all looking for a way out now.

Yeah but they need a conference that actually wants them.


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[Tovarich]

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Yes, if they had BYU's situation where their Olympic sports were secure somewhere else I'd totally agree with you. However, no one has answered the question of where the Olympic sports go for Air Force. The Big East isn't going out to Denver for Soccer and Volleyball. So what are the options? Mountain West is a no go because they expect members to be all sport members including football. Boise State tried to keep their olympic sports in the mountain west are were told heck no. The WAC is basically dead now and even if it survives in the short term, it would be so unstable going foward Air Force might be looking for another home soon. The Big Sky just brought in Idaho and is set at 14. The WCC only admits Private, religious affliated schools. The Sun Belt just got rid of a Denver program that they begged to go the WAC to get rid of travel headaches for FAU and FIU. Air Force would never take a step backwards into the Southland Conference or Summit league. Which leaves the Big West. Boise State and Big East are basically paying the Big West to take Boise including giving it up to 5 and 7 percent of Boise's tv money from the Big East every year. Plus Boise Pays a travel subsidy of 750,000 a year on top of that. That dosen't include the 2.5 million dollar entry fee into the Big West that the Big East is also paying. With all that, it was still a struggle to get Boise in. Is the Big East going to pull out all those stops for again just to get Air Force football? While a good football program, they aint Boise. That's why Air Force is more of headache and just won't be viable. If you can point to a league home for Air Force's Olympic Sports, I would love to know because I am out of options.

If the Big East lets BYU keep a good chunck of their tv money or at least third-tier rights, they will be a member tommorrow and if the Big East was smart they give that a shot first before chasing the white whale of Air Force. Army also is laughable as league member, as they were a flat mess as a member of CUSA. Army still feels the sting of that time, and if they were smart, they would steer clear and continue to build their program.

Rumor was Air Force was talking to the Missouri Valley about their olympic sports last year when this all started coming up.

[SC3BBall]

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Yeah but they need a conference that actually wants them.


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Not sure if serious or just messing with me.

As far as Rutgers is concerned, they offer another flagship university with academic prestige, control of the New York market, and an athletic program with plenty of upside, which would obviously be improved with increased exposure and recruiting grounds with a new conference/TV deal.

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[Tovarich]

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Not sure if serious or just messing with me.

As far as Rutgers is concerned, they offer another flagship university with academic prestige, control of the New York market, and an athletic program with plenty of upside, which would obviously be improved with increased exposure and recruiting grounds with a new conference/TV deal.

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He's being serious. The ACC has 14 in football already. If they need anything to get to 16 in basketball, it would have to be a non-football school like Georgetown or St. John's.

Big 10? Doubt they're interested in adding anyone further right now.

Big 12? If they add 2 more to get a CCG, then it's Rutgers vs. Louisville vs. Air Force vs. BYU. Good chance Rutgers and Cincinnati are staying in the Big East. Louisville is likely the best bet out of the Big East teams to get into the Big 12.

Unless BYU and Air Force both reject a Big 12 offer or the Big 10 decides to expand, good chance Rutgers is staying right where they are.