Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[choadler]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

It's a combination of all of these things, but imo the most troubling part is how this relationship could effect the sport as a whole. In an era where many critics are already worried that ESPN has gotten too big and wields far too much influence on cfb, the fact that ESPN now has a direct financial interest in the success of a single school's athletic programs should concern anyone who follows college sports.

Ok, so it is ESPN now that is the problem and not Texas. Just want to make sure we are getting to the real root of the problem. Again, Fox having a direct financial interest in Florida is not an issue?

Fox isn't making this deal to everyone. Just saying....

[coogrfan]

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Ok, so it is ESPN now that is the problem and not Texas. Just want to make sure we are getting to the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is that the late Ray Charles could have seen that the Big 12 schools might object to the LHN, but the folks at UT are so used to getting their way that they either couldn't or wouldn't foresee that agreeing to get into bed with ESPN would cause TAMU and OU to abandon ship.

[DonkeyJote]

The difference between Florida's deal and Texas's is Florida shares the money from the ESPN and CBS deals equally with the smaller schools, which allows them to compete on a more consistent basis. If the Big East, Big Ten, or SEC were to invite say, Kansas, K-State or Missori, why would they day no? Their revenue would jump to $20 mil.

The LHN I don't think is right. But that's more on ESPN than Texas. A supposedly unbiased network should not be getting involved with a single school like that. But when you combine that revenue with Texas already getting an unequal share of the pie, I think they need to give some money back if they want to hold the conference together.

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[choadler]

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The root of the problem is that the late Ray Charles could have seen that the Big 12 schools might object to the LHN, but the folks at UT are so used to getting their way that they either couldn't or wouldn't foresee that agreeing to get into bed with ESPN would cause TAMU and OU to abandon ship.

Hold on since when did OU ever come out and say that they were leaving because of the LHN.

Missouri started this mess with a money grab. Nebraska trumped them and got into the Big 12 on a money grab. Colorado did an end run, fearing that Baylor would get in over them in a realignment scenario that was all started by Missouri, and made a big money grab. This is all way before the LHN ever appeared. Additionally all schools AGREED TO NOT SHARING TIER 3 rights. The instability in the Big 12 was all about getting $20M instead of roughly $8 to $10 depending on how you performed on the field that year.

OU can't get into the Big 10 due to accademic standings (not AAU), doesn't want to go to the ACC because it just doesn't make sense, and has always avoided wanting to go the SEC. It recruits better in Cali and Texas than it does in the Southeast, so it makes sense to them.

A&M could start their own network in the Big 12. Or they could sign a deal with a network much like Florida did. What is stopping them? A&M has always coveted the SEC and wanted to go there when the SWC collapsed. They made the play last year to go to the SEC before the LHN ever came about becasue they wanted to go there and not the PAC 12.

[choadler]

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The difference between Florida's deal and Texas's is Florida shares the money from the ESPN and CBS deals equally with the smaller schools, which allows them to compete on a more consistent basis. If the Big East, Big Ten, or SEC were to invite say, Kansas, K-State or Missori, why would they day no? Their revenue would jump to $20 mil.

The LHN I don't think is right. But that's more on ESPN than Texas. A supposedly unbiased network should not be getting involved with a single school like that. But when you combine that revenue with Texas already getting an unequal share of the pie, I think they need to give some money back if they want to hold the conference together.

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There is one fallacy in that first argument. The Big 12 splits 76% of all revenue with every member. The remaining 24% is incentive based on scheduling interesting games. So if Texas Tech decides to schedule LSU or some other SEC team and gets aired on TV it gets more money. Same for KSU (historically one of the worst teams in regards to scheduling division II or FCS teams) or kansas or anyone else. Schedule interesting games to get on TV and you get more money. Simple as that.

Do you guys believe that Texas is getting $20M on tier 1 and 2 while K state is getting $3M? That is not what is happening.

In 2008, Oklahoma recieved the most TV revenue in the conference with $12m, Texas was in second at roughly $11M. The largest spread in money from the most to the least was roughly $3.5M. That spread has shrinked significantly with the new deal that was agreed on in 2010.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100613/BIGRED/706139829

If you look at the top teams there, very little difference in revenues. So give me a break about Texas just dominating all of the revenues in the conference.

[choadler]

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The difference between Florida's deal and Texas's is Florida shares the money from the ESPN and CBS deals equally with the smaller schools, which allows them to compete on a more consistent basis. If the Big East, Big Ten, or SEC were to invite say, Kansas, K-State or Missori, why would they day no? Their revenue would jump to $20 mil.

The LHN I don't think is right. But that's more on ESPN than Texas. A supposedly unbiased network should not be getting involved with a single school like that. But when you combine that revenue with Texas already getting an unequal share of the pie, I think they need to give some money back if they want to hold the conference together.

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Oh I am sorry, since when have Ole Miss, Miss St, Vanderbilt, Kentucky ever been competitive in the SEC outside of a year or two? You guys just don't understand that Florida has a huge competitive advantage over these guys. They have a better tier 3 contract arrangement, likely have a huge budget compared to these teams, live in a recruting hot bed, have a better stadium, can sell tickets for higher amounts, sell more merchandise. And you want me to believe that because Kentucky gets $17M along with Florida that it has a chance to ever be as competitive as Florida? Give me a break.

If K State had received $3.5M more in 2008 than Texas is that going to suddenly make K State that much better? No K State started sucking when it's good coach retired and when the NCAA finally said sorry K state no more partial qualifiers.

[ZB9]

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double standard indeed Choadler...your facts and common sense is getting in the way of the anti-Texas agenda

[ZB9]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Perhaps they should. It's not like the Horns were hurting for money.

The almost certain death of the Big XII is going to force UT to choose between joining another conference (and thereby giving up the "most favored nation" status it has enjoyed in the SWC/Big 12) or going it alone, with all of the complications that entails.

"Penny wise, pound foolish" indeed.

get real coog...no program in the country would turn that down

Im curious what the reaction would be if it was OU starting a network..I have a feeling that people wouldnt be freaking out nearly as much

[coogrfan]

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get real coog...no program in the country would turn that down

Are you sure about that, given the fact that UT is now likely going to wind up in a different conference...one in which they aren't the proverbial 500 lb gorilla? A conference in which the Horns don't get to call the shots? A conference in which getting to a BCS game will be much harder than it was in the Big 12?

Are you absolutely sure that if given the chance to do it again, Dodds wouldn't look at all that and say "hmm...I think we're gonna pass"?

I'm curious what the reaction would be if it was OU starting a network..I have a feeling that people wouldnt be freaking out nearly as much

A moot point, since OU doesn't have anything like the national following to make such a network a viable proposition.

[choadler]

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A moot point, since OU doesn't have anything like the national following to make such a network a viable proposition.[/quote]

And that is UT's fault how?

Should UT share all of its merchandising revenue with K State. Should they charge the same ticket prices and downgrade its stadium to hold the same people as K State. Should they limit the amount of people that travel to bowl games so that it is equal with K State? Perhaps Texas should reduce it's budget to be more inline with K State also?

There are tons of inequities in college football that I doubt $3.5M of revenue differential is/was going to change.

Coog, how is Texas the 500 lb gorilla. Still waiting for an example.

[untrugby]

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OK, but that doesn't change the fact the it was a failed business plan, that was allowed by ALL members, that is most reponsible for the breaking up of the conference. Those top teams are all just a little richer now and will be off to bigger and better things, while the "junk" teams will be scrambling for their "AQ" lives, and they all have no one to blame but themselves. ALL of the Big XII members deserve the blame for what is happening right now, and you can't blame any of them for doing what they feel is in their own best interest. That is how the conference came together, and it will be how it falls apart.

how did you expect to them set it up? when they formed they had 4 of the top 20 programs in the country and none of the rest even cracked the top 50. The other conferences setup their sharing so far back it wasnt an issue when the big time tv money started up, but the big 12 jumped in the middle of it with 4 national fan bases making all the revenue and 8 others tagging along for the ride.

[superjames1992]

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I don't know about you, but I get Sun Sports on my Direct Tv package. Sure sounds national to me. I live in California. It is also carried on Dish Network.

I've had Suddenlink, Charter, and Time Warner Cable in my lifetime and have never gotten Sun Sports. My grandmother in Florida does get it on Brighthouse Networks, but that is just because she lives in Florida.

EDIT: Do you mean that you can get it in the sports package? In that case, Time Warner, ect. may carry it; I am not sure.

[choadler]

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I've had Suddenlink, Charter, and Time Warner Cable in my lifetime and have never gotten Sun Sports. My grandmother in Florida does get it on Brighthouse Networks, but that is just because she lives in Florida.

EDIT: Do you mean that you can get it in the sports package? In that case, Time Warner, ect. may carry it; I am not sure.

Get in the sports package, yes.

[Maxattax3]

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Im curious what the reaction would be if it was OU starting a network..I have a feeling that people wouldnt be freaking out nearly as much

Hasnt OU already been doing that?

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/No-1-Oklahoma-works-toward-own-TV-network-2147958.php

The expansion is another step toward the school's ultimate goal of launching its own around-the-clock network in a quickly expanding television marketplace for college sports.

[sycodmn]

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I'd actually love for UT to come to the Pac-Megatron, because the original 8 would humble them so quickly (maybe not so much on the field, but politically between the universities) that it wouldn't even be funny. Then there's the fact that the Arizona schools would be UBER-mad that they're stuck in the East with limited access to California, and the meltdown would be HILARIOUS.