Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

[Jetpac]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

Nothing's changed. 2k is not getting back in to the game

There he goes with his inside info again...

[bkrich83]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

There he goes with his inside info again...

Actually in this case you may be surprised. When 2k fires up a football game you can tell me otherwise. Networking was one of the perks of being on staff back in the day here. Despite that, what indicators out there show that 2k is even remotely in a position to get a football game to market? Their financials? The direction their management has taken in sports games? How well they've done with managing the NBA and MLB series? The days of the old school Visual Concepts are over. It's a new world over there unfortunately.

what was the other piece of inside info? You never did answer me or the other posters wondering what you were talking about.

Give it a rest little angry man.

Irony. Yawn.

[JaymeeAwesome]

Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

I respect and value bkrich's and kehlis's input far more than yours, Jetpac. Both are completely honest and doesn't let their own biases get in the way of the how they post on OS.

When you can post without an agenda and without bias, you may be thought of in the same way and be respected within this community.

The honest truth is this game isn't perfect and isn't terrible and doesn't belong in anyone's bottom 10. EA needs to stay focused on improvement and to use more of the capabilities of the next gen systems. Madden 25 is a playable game and is fairly enjoyed by most gamers.

[unfriendlyghst]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

Despite that, what indicators out there show that 2k is even remotely in a position to get a football game to market? Their financials? The direction their management has taken in sports games? How well they've done with managing the NBA and MLB series? The days of the old school Visual Concepts are over. It's a new world over there unfortunately.

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Take 2 iteractive is making boatloads of cash on GTA V and are attempting to, and have , purchased some of there public stock back, in order to become a private company again( i.e. no share holders to appease with ROI)

[bkrich83]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

Take 2 iteractive is making boatloads of cash on GTA V and are attempting to, and have , purchased some of there public stock back, in order to become a private company again( i.e. no share holders to appease with ROI)

Hopefully that trend continues. Their outlook was pretty bleak not too long ago.

[jvalverde88]

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Who the hell is Angry Joe?

Unfortunately I saw the video, the points he made in the video lets just say:

[jaybo92]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

He is speaking the truth. I have it for the ps4 and I still play apf2k8 with the normal rosters on the xbox 360. Sometimes as a consumer I'm like wtf EA... But then spring will roll around and the hype train start again.

[24]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

He is speaking the truth. I have it for the ps4 and I still play apf2k8 with the normal rosters on the xbox 360. Sometimes as a consumer I'm like wtf EA... But then spring will roll around and the hype train start again.

If by "speaking the truth" you mean beating an already dead horse then yes he is doing that. The points angry Joe brought up are the points that have constantly been brought up in the past about Madden.

No one is denying the sad state of the NFL Video Game market. Everyone would love to see the old days where there were a plethora of football games to choose from. This point has been established since EA got the Exclusive deal in 2006. But constantly bringing up the same old stuff that's wrong with the game is not helping the situation.

I have posted this many times. The Only way that we ever see a non exclusive football license is if the NFL feels they can make more of a profit from doing that. Not to crush anyone's dreams but the NFL happens to like exclusivity. It makes things a hell of a lot easier for them at least.

Even on the Off chance that the Deal with EA does not get renewed once again I doubt that means the "End of Exclusivity". They'll probably give it to another company that could produce an NFL game while making the NFL more money. It comes down to dollars and cents.

[born_bad]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

If by "speaking the truth" you mean beating an already dead horse then yes he is doing that. The points angry Joe brought up are the points that have constantly been brought up in the past about Madden.

Brought up by who, though? Again, look at the scores for the game across the major game sites, including this one. The game received an 8 (great) score here. Seriously. Great? Anyone that considers this game "great" has set the bar pretty low. The game gets a pass every year and ends up with a high score. Sure, some people on the message boards have brought up legitimate issues with the game, but no one with much of a large audience able to reach casual fans of the game has really brought up these issues. For that reason, I'm glad he did this.

Also, I keep hearing the beating a dead horse thing here, but as a I scroll through the message board here and read through the impressions, I mostly see positive comments. Am I missing all the threads criticizing the game? When I look right now at the whole page of posts here, I'm not seeing much in the way of calling EA for their BS.

I see stuff like, "let's post a clip of the very 1st Madden game ever and all be grateful the game looks better than that now. Nice job EA!" I also see a poll that is pretty overwhelmingly positive.

Keep rewarding mediocrity with "great" scores and praise and you can keep expecting it year after year. Put it on a "worst of" list with valid points and maybe people will start to agree that the game is far below where it should be by now and what is being shown in BS marketing by EA every year. When a game released 6 years ago on a previous generation of consoles is miles beyond what is being given to us in some aspects, it's pretty ridiculous. People seem to mostly be satisfied with the slight improvements and future promises of greatness, though, so I guess that's what we'll get.

[FedExPope]

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The horse has been beaten for 7 years. You're not going to see a lot of the arguments in this thread because everybody is tired of beating the dead horse. That pissing match between the two people in this thread was mildly amusing, however. Mildly.

[bkrich83]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

Brought up by who, though? Again, look at the scores for the game across the major game sites, including this one. The game received an 8 (great) score here. Seriously. Great? Anyone that considers this game "great" has set the bar pretty low. The game gets a pass every year and ends up with a high score. Sure, some people on the message boards have brought up legitimate issues with the game, but no one with much of a large audience able to reach casual fans of the game has really brought up these issues. For that reason, I'm glad he did this.

Also, I keep hearing the beating a dead horse thing here, but as a I scroll through the message board here and read through the impressions, I mostly see positive comments. Am I missing all the threads criticizing the game? When I look right now at the whole page of posts here, I'm not seeing much in the way of calling EA for their BS.

I see stuff like, "let's post a clip of the very 1st Madden game ever and all be grateful the game looks better than that now. Nice job EA!" I also see a poll that is pretty overwhelmingly positive.

Keep rewarding mediocrity with "great" scores and praise and you can keep expecting it year after year. Put it on a "worst of" list with valid points and maybe people will start to agree that the game is far below where it should be by now and what is being shown in BS marketing by EA every year. When a game released 6 years ago on a previous generation of consoles is miles beyond what is being given to us in some aspects, it's pretty ridiculous. People seem to mostly be satisfied with the slight improvements and future promises of greatness, though, so I guess that's what we'll get.

I don't see a lot of people calling it great, nor do I see many people giving it a pass. Madden is what it is. Besides great in this context is purely a matter of opinion or perspective is it not?

You're orginal goal of posting this is clear. We've seen this movie before. If you don't like the game or EA, I get it, that's understandable. I find the game to be fun at times, but overall pretty mediocre. But to talk down to people because they enjoy it, I don't get, to each his own.

The points made in criticism of the game are mostly valid, most of us agree with them and have forever. Still some enjoy it despite these flaws, myself included in short spurts.

Madden 25 NG has a composite Metacritic score of 73, so I don't see many reviewers giving it great scores either. All of the major review sites gave it a score in the mid to low 70's. The user composite score is in the mid 5's. I really am puzzled to know who these people giving it great scores or a pass are.

[PVarck31]

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Brought up by who, though? Again, look at the scores for the game across the major game sites, including this one. The game received an 8 (great) score here. Seriously. Great? Anyone that considers this game "great" has set the bar pretty low. The game gets a pass every year and ends up with a high score. Sure, some people on the message boards have brought up legitimate issues with the game, but no one with much of a large audience able to reach casual fans of the game has really brought up these issues. For that reason, I'm glad he did this.

Also, I keep hearing the beating a dead horse thing here, but as a I scroll through the message board here and read through the impressions, I mostly see positive comments. Am I missing all the threads criticizing the game? When I look right now at the whole page of posts here, I'm not seeing much in the way of calling EA for their BS.

I see stuff like, "let's post a clip of the very 1st Madden game ever and all be grateful the game looks better than that now. Nice job EA!" I also see a poll that is pretty overwhelmingly positive.

Keep rewarding mediocrity with "great" scores and praise and you can keep expecting it year after year. Put it on a "worst of" list with valid points and maybe people will start to agree that the game is far below where it should be by now and what is being shown in BS marketing by EA every year. When a game released 6 years ago on a previous generation of consoles is miles beyond what is being given to us in some aspects, it's pretty ridiculous. People seem to mostly be satisfied with the slight improvements and future promises of greatness, though, so I guess that's what we'll get.

You've been here since 2005 and you're missing all the threads criticizing the game? There is no game thread on OS that receives more criticism than Madden.

Its been this way since 2006. We've hounded like 12 development teams, probably drove Ian Cummings to leave EA and make Facebook games, which probably drove him insane. We've threatened developers lives, their families lives, and successfully driven any Madden developer presence away, probably for good. I mean for God's sakes, we wanted to beat Ian to a pulp because he liked to play soccer in his spare time.

In other words, Madden gets plenty of criticism on here.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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You've been here since 2005 and you're missing all the threads criticizing the game? There is no game thread on OS that receives more criticism than Madden.

Its been this way since 2006. We've hounded like 12 development teams, probably drove Ian Cummings to leave EA and make Facebook games, which probably drove him insane. We've threatened developers lives, their families lives, and successfully driven any Madden developer presence away, probably for good. I mean for God's sakes, we wanted to beat Ian to a pulp because he liked to play soccer in his spare time.

In other words, Madden gets plenty of criticism on here.

I will agree, Madden gets a good bit of well deserved criticism on this forum, as well as on other forums, therefore, it makes it useless for some people to come into a thread and start accusing them of "beating a dead horse," does it not? As that position too, has been beaten to death.

People are going to criticize, yes? EA will continue to do things their way, yes? Then if people are making the same criticisms with the same results for years, then maybe the criticisms have transformed to "blowing off steam?"

A bunch of like minded football fans get together to blow off steam about what is frustrating them about the game, they share insight, come up with sliders and then go back to playing. Seems like a rather healthy process, relieving stress.

What many may not need is to have their posts of frustration attacked by the "beating a dead horse" crowd? Seems counter-productive to the stress relief of complaining about a sub-par aspect of a game when others want to come in and attack them for voicing their opinions and blowing off steam. All that happens then is flame wars.

I do understand the desire to want to defend something you like, or to vent ones own frustration at those who are always talking negatively, because that can be frustrating to read all the time. So in conclusion, this will never end. EA will improve, satisfy and disappoint as they have before, and people will complain and defend, I guess it is all part of the game.

[roadman]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

Brought up by who, though? Again, look at the scores for the game across the major game sites, including this one. The game received an 8 (great) score here. Seriously. Great? Anyone that considers this game "great" has set the bar pretty low. The game gets a pass every year and ends up with a high score. Sure, some people on the message boards have brought up legitimate issues with the game, but no one with much of a large audience able to reach casual fans of the game has really brought up these issues. For that reason, I'm glad he did this.

Also, I keep hearing the beating a dead horse thing here, but as a I scroll through the message board here and read through the impressions, I mostly see positive comments. Am I missing all the threads criticizing the game? When I look right now at the whole page of posts here, I'm not seeing much in the way of calling EA for their BS.



I see stuff like, "let's post a clip of the very 1st Madden game ever and all be grateful the game looks better than that now. Nice job EA!" I also see a poll that is pretty overwhelmingly positive.

Keep rewarding mediocrity with "great" scores and praise and you can keep expecting it year after year. Put it on a "worst of" list with valid points and maybe people will start to agree that the game is far below where it should be by now and what is being shown in BS marketing by EA every year. When a game released 6 years ago on a previous generation of consoles is miles beyond what is being given to us in some aspects, it's pretty ridiculous. People seem to mostly be satisfied with the slight improvements and future promises of greatness, though, so I guess that's what we'll get.

Not sure why there is a need to get too worked up about strangers (websites) opinions on the net with game score's, including Angry Joes. The only opinion that counts, is mine. Also, surprised NBA 2k wasn't included because that game came out broken to tons of people, including me. First time I traded that game in so early. To me, it's just Apex 3.0 from the past decade. What I find ironic he uses the Sim Standard to make a point, but they are now GCer's.

You know since you've been here since 2005 that you can search out all the negative/positive threads by going to the search function, not just the current opening page.

Before the game came out, there were a few developers that popped in and said things that we are a few years out with this and a few years out with that, etc.... I haven't seen developers comment like that at all in the past, and I'd like that trend to continue, ie have them come in from time to time.

Plus, with the worst list being launched in mid-January from mountain-tops, EA is already 6 months before the game goes gold. I doubt his worst of video has any impact for a game that is already in the development phase.

[JaymeeAwesome]

Re: Angry Joe put Madden (next gen) on list of 10 worst games of 2013

I'm just tired of the people that just complain to complain. They never include what they do like about the game, and the criticism is just 100% negative and is not constructive.

I remember the days before the internet when, if you stopped liking a game, you just didn't buy it the next year or you gave it or sold it away.

Why does every game have to be liked by all? Why does every game have to cater to you?

In tecmo, if your opponent picked the same play you are going to run, you get sacked almost automatically. That's not realistic at all but we still enjoyed the game immensely.

Sharing a video of someone putting it in their bottom 10 means that you believe this game is unplayable and not fun. The unplayable part is just not true. Claiming it's not fun is just your opinion because A.) You don't have the ability to think outside the box and make it work for you or B.) You have an "all about me" mentality and if something is not done to your liking, it's just not good.

This message board isn't about blowing off steam. It's about a community of gamers discussing the game they enjoy with the ability to criticize the game in a way that is constructive to the discussion. The posted video is not constructive in any way and detracts from the discussion hence that is why it's considered "beating a dead horse".