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  • strife1013
    Rookie
    • Sep 2009
    • 367

    #136
    Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

    I force subs by doing it while picking a play. The only way to sub players with changing the depth chart is picking the formation option and they have an option where you can swap players.

    I.E. If you wanna sub HBs in and out easily than use the spell HB option and it will switch your first HB with your second with this option. You can do that with several positions. It's even better on defense. Dline swap switches to your 3&4th DT and 2nd string DE which normally they would never get any reps in a game.

    So that's an option which I find at least acceptable. A lot better than switching around your depth chart all the time.

    Still would like to see subs working as intended. This has been an issue for years. Can't believe they still haven't aknowedged it as an issue.

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    • JayTee86
      Rookie
      • Feb 2011
      • 115

      #137
      Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

      I see a lot of subs by the computer in my CCM, but my team doesn't sub out the same way. May be placebo tho.

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      • Smallville102001
        All Star
        • Mar 2015
        • 6542

        #138
        Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

        Originally posted by JayTee86
        I see a lot of subs by the computer in my CCM, but my team doesn't sub out the same way. May be placebo tho.


        Oh I don't know about that. Even the CPU most of the time will have there starting RB run the ball like 30 times with the back up like 3-4 times.

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        • ojai4keith
          Rookie
          • Sep 2015
          • 41

          #139
          Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

          In 2nd season cfm and cpu teams when siming have rbs sharing the attempts.

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          • b0bbark3r1
            Rookie
            • Mar 2013
            • 16

            #140
            Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

            The Sim stats is not the problem in CFM. The problem is for games that you are actively playing. The sub rate is solely tied to the fatigue setting. Not the auto subs. For example, if you have fatigue set to 0, there will be virtually no subs. At 50, there will be some subs going on at all positions except for qb. Even for a run heavy team (35-45 runs per game) your 1st string RB will be getting 5-8 runs in before subbing out at all. Equating to about 30-35 attempts for the game. Now while there are RBs who do make those number of carries in real life, they do not do it by running the ball half a dozen times in a row.

            If you have a high sub setting such as 95 in-85 out, they SHOULD sub out after 2-3 carries. And this works in Play Now. This is what allows players to utilize rbbc systems without having to make manual subs or package subs (which you must do at the start of EVERY game now instead of just once like older versions). However, in CFM, these settings are ignored. You can make all the changes you want to those sub settings, but the only thing that matters is the Fatigue slider. Higher fatigue settings results in more carries for back ups, but also sub out positions you DONT want players to sub out (your o-lien starters, for example) AND can lead to players completely disappearing after a few quarters of a lengthy game. Lower settings means that nobody subs out.

            You can try it for yourself. Even if you set the o-line to only sub in at 1 and out at 0, they will still sub out at higher fatigue settings.

            Start a new CFM on the lowest difficulty. Set high sub settings like 99in-98out and 100 fatigue. Get the ball and run the ball over and over on the first drive. Record your carries by backs and watch your backup oline come in on the first drive. Quit the game. Now drop the auto subs to 1in and 0 out for all positions. Play the game again and do the same thing. The carries will be split similarly (barring extra long runs) and you will still see o-line subs at the same rate. Now quit and try again at like 65 fatigue with the lowered sub settings. The RB1 will get more carries before subbing out and your oline will still sub out but at a much lower rate. Quit. Set the auto subs at the higher setting they were initially at. Play again and the results will be similar. Those are extreme settings, but I've tried all over the place. Same result.

            Many don't care if their o-line backups sub in if they are getting a desirable number of carries for their backup RBs, so they just use the higher fatigue and be done with it. But consider this: sometimes you only have 3 backup players in the oline. This creates funky situations where your star pass-blocking LT is coming in to sub for your run blocking RG on a trap play. Or you have your backup Center pass protecting the left side on a play-action pass where protection is crucial and your starting Left Tackle is subbing in on the opposite side!

            Long story short, in CFM games, auto subs do NOT work. Only fatigue slider is taken into consideration. In Play Now, the auto subs work flawlessly. As strife pointed out, the only reliable ways to get backups and rookie rbs some carries without hampering yourself with subpar oline backups, is through package substitutions and manual subs. This has been the case for a few years now. I BELIEVE Madden 12 was the last one where auto subs functioned properly.

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            • IcedCoffee1983
              Banned
              • Jul 2015
              • 836

              #141
              Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

              What's really frustrating is I have tweeted on this numerous times. I've emailed their CS dept., and listed it in glitches threads on EA's forum in past years.

              It's been bugged since M12 when the new CFM mode debuted.

              Year after year auto subs remain broken in CFM...

              I just don't know what to do anymore to get them to fix. Or even acknowledge that it's glitched.

              Surely they must be aware. So either they ignore us or they don't care or they don't know how to fix it and don't want to admit it.

              I've even PM'ed "gamechangers" here.. I got a reply from Simfootballciritc but he just said he would "pass it on" but auto subs are still glitched this year.

              I will literally eat my hat if EA ever fixes auto subs.

              I think we should send this thread to EA, but it's hard to believe it will help.

              I even tweeted Kolbe since he was supposed to turn things around, but he ignored my tweet.

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              • IcedCoffee1983
                Banned
                • Jul 2015
                • 836

                #142
                Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                There... I just tweeted the EAmadden account, and Rex's account and Kolbe's account. Again.

                I'm sure they will continue to ignore me and auto subs will remain glitched like they have been for years... but if they respond I'll let you guys know.

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                • K_GUN
                  C*t*z*n *f RSN
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3891

                  #143
                  Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                  Originally posted by IcedCoffee1983
                  There... I just tweeted the EAmadden account, and Rex's account and Kolbe's account. Again.



                  I'm sure they will continue to ignore me and auto subs will remain glitched like they have been for years... but if they respond I'll let you guys know.

                  Send them both a tweet once a month--respectfully---they'll have to notice...just keep after them


                  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
                  Bummed that you're not on my ignore list yet?.....Don't worry, I'm sure you will be very soon.

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                  • pedro_s
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 18

                    #144
                    Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                    Originally posted by strife1013
                    I force subs by doing it while picking a play. The only way to sub players with changing the depth chart is picking the formation option and they have an option where you can swap players.

                    I.E. If you wanna sub HBs in and out easily than use the spell HB option and it will switch your first HB with your second with this option. You can do that with several positions. It's even better on defense. Dline swap switches to your 3&4th DT and 2nd string DE which normally they would never get any reps in a game.

                    So that's an option which I find at least acceptable. A lot better than switching around your depth chart all the time.

                    Still would like to see subs working as intended. This has been an issue for years. Can't believe they still haven't aknowedged it as an issue.
                    Where is this "spell HB option"?

                    I found the SUB option when you choose plays by formation, but that seems to fix a RB for that particular formation, and would take a long time to do for the D-line.

                    I played an entire season with the Patriots and fatigue set at around 55-60, with high auto subs (95-90 for RB, for example).

                    LeGarrette Blount had an absurd amount of carries (like 300+) and Dion Lewis had like 20 at most. I recorded the number of snaps for each player after each game (starting at the 3rd game). Blount had 743 (46,44 per game) while Lewis had only 246 (and that's because he was the 3DRB).

                    Gronkowski had 1008 total snaps (63 per game), and his snap count varied between 55 and 77. Scott Chandler (backup TE) had 455 (sometimes he would sub-in for Gronk).

                    Stork (Center) had 976, and his backup only 46. Marcus Cannon (backup LT) had only 15 snaps all season.

                    WR didn't sub much (I saw it some times in game). Edelman: 941, LaFell 892, Dobson 623, Amendola 125.

                    In defense, McCourty led with 825 (51,56 per game), going from 43 to 65.
                    Hightower (ROLB) had 800, Patrick Chung had 797. Jamie Collins (LOLB) had 717, with Chandler Jones (RE) at 766 and Jabaal Sheard (LE) at 681.

                    CBs was really funny, because I had Butler and Ryan as the starters, and Tarrel Brown as #3. I played a lot of nickel and dime, so Brown (793) had more snaps than Ryan (765) and almost the same as Butler (796).
                    Dennard had 234 and Bradley Fletcher all of 6!

                    DTs: Siliga 321 (he missed like 4 games), Branch 197, Brown 66, Easley 14.

                    Backup DEs: Flowers 27, Ninkovich 50, Dickson 0. ZERO
                    Last edited by pedro_s; 10-20-2015, 01:45 PM.

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                    • bcruise
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 23274

                      #145
                      Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                      HB Sub/HB Spell is always in the list of right stick position subs by formation. Just cycle through them with the stick until you find it - it's different with every formation.

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                      • pedro_s
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 18

                        #146
                        Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                        Did someone try setting auto-subs in the main menu (Customize) and then inside the CFM go to auto-subs and choose Reset (triangle button on PS)?

                        I just did this but can't play now...will try it later and see if it works


                        I found the Spell HB (and other packages), but it's just too difficult to manage for WRs and D-Line. I don't understand why it worked in Madden 15 and doesn't work in 16 :/

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                        • Steelers4190
                          Pro
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 843

                          #147
                          Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                          I've given up on auto subs over the years and just do it myself. If I want Bud Dupree in the game on a third and long or Deebo in on a short yardage situation I will just sub them in manually

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                          • LowerWolf
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 12268

                            #148
                            Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                            I left my auto subs at default with fatigue at default, and I'm seeing plenty of subs. Skill players tend to come out after a handful of plays and linemen rotate out on longer drives.

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                            • JayD
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 5457

                              #149
                              Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                              Originally posted by LowerWolf
                              I left my auto subs at default with fatigue at default, and I'm seeing plenty of subs. Skill players tend to come out after a handful of plays and linemen rotate out on longer drives.
                              How many carries is your backup running back getting? Also, is this within CFM?

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                              • garyraymond23
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2015
                                • 415

                                #150
                                Re: Auto Sub sliders still not working in CFM

                                Originally posted by JayD
                                How many carries is your backup running back getting? Also, is this within CFM?
                                I run a lot of sweeps/quick tosses etc.

                                Through 13 or 14 weeks ..

                                Freeman had 164
                                Coleman had 77 (I bench Freeman when I'm up in the 4th too, probably 3 or 4 games)
                                Ward had 17

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