Don't Start Your Madden NFL 16 CFM Until New Patch Arrives, According to Developers

[SolidSquid]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

I hate the XP stuff too. I'd be fine if you could assemble a better staff and have that help improve development, but in my opinion FIFA and NHL has progression right. They essentially assign growth ranges to different players based on real-life scouting projections. Even better, in NHL, the prospects star rating (which determines their progression range) can be edited before entering career mode.

Additionally, NHL's prospect development is also contingent upon whether the right type of player is slotted properly during development. I believe the NHL team also has a combination of bust mechanics. Some are hand-implemented applied to specific players, and there is also one applied at random.

For instance, in NHL 15, say you have a five star green prospect (highest potential) labeled as a future top line player. You draft him at 18 and his overall is 64. The top line on your NHL club is full of guys rated in the mid 80's. You could put him on your fourth line, but the combination of less play time, and wrong types of players, and style of game expected to play in that role hinder development. He's likely to bust if you play him in a role not matching his player type. Or maybe he'll develop into a serviceable fourth line which isn't maximizing what you could have gotten out of him.

The best option is to send him back to junior where he can play on the top line of his junior club. Maybe next year he has a huge jump and can play in your top six (where good offensive forwards usually play in hockey), or maybe he isn't quite ready to be a premier offensive player in the NHL. So, instead you assign him as the top center for your minor league affiliate where he gets to play top minutes in a top offensive role.

There is no screwing around with xp. Player development is about recognizing where their potential and role fit in in the organization, and playing them in the right place at the right time to maximize their potential range.

Don't really play NHL but my god that sounds amazing

[Xtra]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

So what are the issues?

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

That would be beautiful in Madden or The Show for that matter.

NHL 15 gen 3 had the most balanced and well-tuned franchise mode I've seen on an EA console game.

I had a first round pick bust, I also had a first round pick take a long time to develop, but become a solid playmaker at 22 after building his game in the AHL. I even had a late rounder come out of nowhere in his second year as a pro to become a top defenceman. In the aggregate though, the tuning is excellent, far more of your prospects will never really become NHL caliber outside of the first round, and sometimes those first round guys a projects that can become top players if you are patient and put them in the right spots at the right times.

While development is largely based on slotting correctly, it is also influences by the variable of player performance within the sim engine. Like if a third line guy in the minor leagues performs above expected based on what happens in simmed games, he is going to grow more as a player. It never felt unbalanced. Just sometimes, randomly, the sim engine allowed for some guys to get on a roll, or perform above the statistical likelihood.

Overall development is pretty hands off, you interpret the data of his ratings and potential range, and decide where to stick the player in your organization based on what you think you'd like him to be for your organization in the future.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

I read this thread title as "Kolbe says to WAIT til Metal Gear Solid comes out"

Lol what? I don't get it

[dat boi Q]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

People keep dogging on the current DEVS do you realize the amount of crap they got put on there plate from the prev dev team?

Also before this year EA would not allow a dev team to speak out over the product via twitter and such. That changed when Kobe took the job

Yes it sucks we know but look at the benifts of the current game with a few tweaks "first patch" we are going to have a solid madden game the first time in a very very long time

What does the old dev team have to do with the issues now.

[ML]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

I'm not a fan of the drive goals thing either, but the way I have been using it in my CFM games is that a player has just been getting "hot" at certain points in the game. Granted, I also don't have any of that stuff on the screen, so I don't go out of my way to complete the goals that I have. Plus if they are not carrying over from one week until the next I don't think its that big of a deal.

Basically what I'm saying is if one game a QB gets hot and has a great week, and the next week he throws 3 interceptions and we lose, I don't think I will mind this bug as much as everyone else.

[ML]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

What does the old dev team have to do with the issues now.

If a team goes 0-16 and they bring in a new staff the next year and a team goes 4-12, it means they are progressing but they arent going to go 16-0 overnight. Same thing with the old and new dev teams.

[goosedawg68]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

Can the drive goals be turned off? And if so, what affect would that have?

[NDAlum]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

What does the old dev team have to do with the issues now.

So if I give you a car that runs like garbage and has a bunch of problems you are saying I can't be blamed for the cars poor performance?

As soon as you take ownership of the car you assume all the problems as your own?




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[bad_philanthropy]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

Just to finish my thoughts on dislike for xp and player dev and praise for the NHL system, this video kind of shows it off (even if the youtuber is annoying) at the 8 minute mark and on.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Tt3VV2BL-xU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Benz87]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

Waiting for the first patch to start your franchise with any sports game is an automatic in this era.

[Danimal]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

Late to the party here but I haven't seen the drive goals boost but like some others I don't really pay attention, I personally hate that part of the game and wish it would be an option to turn off.

Screwed up simulated stats really annoys a lot of people, I don't really care about these. The rookie stats is the bigger issue for me of what is being discussed but it's not preventing me from playing a CFM, i'm going to restart anyway when the opening day rosters come out.

Been busy at work this week to check but my main issue is injuries as in I don't see any. I'm not sure if that is something that is an issue for others but through 6 games and no injuries I can see at all.

[BTW]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

NHL 15 gen 3 had the most balanced and well-tuned franchise mode I've seen on an EA console game.

I had a first round pick bust, I also had a first round pick take a long time to develop, but become a solid playmaker at 22 after building his game in the AHL. I even had a late rounder come out of nowhere in his second year as a pro to become a top defenceman. In the aggregate though, the tuning is excellent, far more of your prospects will never really become NHL caliber outside of the first round, and sometimes those first round guys a projects that can become top players if you are patient and put them in the right spots at the right times.

While development is largely based on slotting correctly, it is also influences by the variable of player performance within the sim engine. Like if a third line guy in the minor leagues performs above expected based on what happens in simmed games, he is going to grow more as a player. It never felt unbalanced. Just sometimes, randomly, the sim engine allowed for some guys to get on a roll, or perform above the statistical likelihood.

Overall development is pretty hands off, you interpret the data of his ratings and potential range, and decide where to stick the player in your organization based on what you think you'd like him to be for your organization in the future.

Imagine if a concept like this was included with OTAs, training camp, and practice squads for developing players.

I know it'll never happen, but wish they could take an entire year off and come back hard with Madden 18. Release a roster patch for next year's new players, but don't actually release a full game.

B

[SolidSquid]

Re: Kolbe says to WAIT to start your CFM

If a team goes 0-16 and they bring in a new staff the next year and a team goes 4-12, it means they are progressing but they arent going to go 16-0 overnight. Same thing with the old and new dev teams.

But when a team constantly goes 4-12 it's time to replace the players. Don't get me wrong 16 is the best effort in ten years but it stuff that shoulda been in the game a loooooong time ago.

[Xtra]

Re: KolbeL (EA Dev) says to WAIT to start your CFM

Okay, so we should wait for franchise, but what about other modes? If I practice with the new controls in other modes, will I be blindsided after the issues are fixed and have to learn them all over again?