FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

[SolidSquid]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

So what kind of cool stuff could we potentially see with frostbite???

The first thing that comes to my mind is ball physics. Not just the ones they added this year but trajectories for qbs and a constantly live football


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[jpdavis82]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

The first thing that comes to my mind is ball physics. Not just the ones they added this year but trajectories for qbs and a constantly live football


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Dynamic weather is another frostbite mainstay.


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[Gridiron]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

It's like replacing an ugly old beat-up, sputtering, broken down 1974 Gremlin running on 2 flat tires, with a brand new 2016 Mercedes.

Madden needs this so badly. They're still using tech from the end of the PS1 era, early PS2 era, so clearly this is a very big deal.

But now we'll see for sure what kind of talent this team has. A ground-up build with total control means no more legacy excuses to fall back on. It's going to be an interesting situation and it's 100% worth the risk. I don't care if that means a barebones game for 2 or 3 years, because the payoff means a modern Madden, finally.

This is very big news.

[SportsGamer94]

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What will this mean though? What could the new engine change?

I'm thinking

Player movement
Sidelines
Dynamic Weather
Better lighting

Just a guess of mine.

[SolidSquid]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

It's like replacing an ugly old beat-up, sputtering, broken down 1974 Gremlin running on 2 flat tires, with a brand new 2016 Mercedes.



Madden needs this so badly. They're still using tech from the end of the PS1 era, early PS2 era, so clearly this is a very big deal.



But now we'll see for sure what kind of talent this team has. A ground-up build with total control means no more legacy excuses to fall back on. It's going to be an interesting situation and it's 100% worth the risk. I don't care if that means a barebones game for 2 or 3 years, because the payoff means a modern Madden, finally.



This is very big news.

Do you think they could get away with going barebones again after the last time? If that's the case I don't think people would be happy waiting another8- 10 years to get everything back we currently have. Unless the ground up rebuild makes it infinitely easier to add "new"features


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[PVarck31]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

I don't see this going bare bones again. We should know soon though when we see what FIFA 17 does.

[Lexicon]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

Usually you're going to get stuff like better lighting, cloth physics, better coloring and materials, rendering. This can go a long way for the look of Madden. All the animations, AI, and all of that are not things that I see the new engine improving right off the bat.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

After going through two "engine" changes with Madden the past 12 years or so, this means nothing, imo, until it proves to mean something. What Frostbite has been able to accomplish with any other game is irrelevant to Madden, just like Ignite currently is. FIFA, COD, etc, are their own games, with their own coding and whatnot, they aren't Madden. I would have gotten excited or optimistic about this had it been announced for M25 but after all the lofty expectations for Ignite, what seems to matter with regard to Madden way more than its' "engine" is the tried and true "priorities". So it's hard for me to see right now what transferring Madden to Frostbite with more potential does, other than graphically, when it clearly hasn't yet tapped into all the potential touted for Ignite, for whatever reason(s).

EDIT: I forgot that any optimism about this for me lies in the hope that the priorities for Madden somehow shift due to EA's push to get into esports. Hopefully that garners a true institutional sea change in building a completely new football game using Frostbite.

[Gridiron]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

Do you think they could get away with going barebones again after the last time? If that's the case I don't think people would be happy waiting another8- 10 years to get everything back we currently have. Unless the ground up rebuild makes it infinitely easier to add "new"features


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Reading a lot of what Ian and Phil used to say, a lot of the problems with that last time was the tech they were using + the mishaps and time lost that happened trying to implement Havok physics (which didn't make it into the game) + the super short amount of time they were left with to build Madden 06 ground up.

I think the advantage they have now is that they're going with much more modern tech and they have a lot more time to work on it this time around. Not having the same crunch deadline could prevent a barebones situation this time, but I'd be okay with it if it was. I can see the forest for the trees. I want a MODERN football game and I don't care how they have to do it.

[SportsGamer94]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

Do you think they could get away with going barebones again after the last time? If that's the case I don't think people would be happy waiting another8- 10 years to get everything back we currently have. Unless the ground up rebuild makes it infinitely easier to add "new"features


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It won't be bare bones, it's probably why it's taken so long for Fifa to move over, because they were probably working on building everything already in Fifa for Frostbite.

[Gridiron]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

After going through two "engine" changes with Madden the past 12 years or so, this means nothing, imo, until it proves to mean something. What Frostbite has been able to accomplish with any other game is irrelevant to Madden, just like Ignite currently is. FIFA, COD, etc, are their own games, with their own coding and whatnot, they aren't Madden. I would have gotten excited or optimistic about this had it been announced for M25 but after all the lofty expectations for Ignite, what seems to matter with regard to Madden way more than its' "engine" is the tried and true "priorities". So it's hard for me to see right now what transferring Madden to Frostbite with more potential does, other than graphically, when it clearly hasn't yet tapped into all the potential touted for Ignite, for whatever reason(s).

There weren't two engine changes. The PS4/XBOX One Madden is running off ported code from the XBOX 360/PS3 versions of the game. If you're referring to Infinity, that's RTP middleware, it's not a full-on game engine.

EDIT: Also, it appears that Ignite is nothing more than an internal sharing engine that allows them to more easily share tech between in-house games. I remember Cam Weber said as much during an IGN interview about Ignite.

[SportsGamer94]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

I will definitely be paying a lot more attention to Fifa this year, eager to hear how Frostbite improves the game.

[PVarck31]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

After going through two "engine" changes with Madden the past 12 years or so, this means nothing, imo, until it proves to mean something. What Frostbite has been able to accomplish with any other game is irrelevant to Madden, just like Ignite currently is. FIFA, COD, etc, are their own games, with their own coding and whatnot, they aren't Madden. I would have gotten excited or optimistic about this had it been announced for M25 but after all the lofty expectations for Ignite, what seems to matter with regard to Madden way more than its' "engine" is the tried and true "priorities". So it's hard for me to see right now what transferring Madden to Frostbite with more potential does, other than graphically, when it clearly hasn't yet tapped into all the potential touted for Ignite, for whatever reason(s).

Man, you have to be the most negative poster in the Madden forums I've ever seen. This is exciting news. You and others have been clamoring for a new engine for years and it looks like we are getting it and you have to come in here an put everyone's excitement down.

And I already know what you are gonna say. They haven't shown you anything to be excited about. Well I believe this newish team has shown us plenty to be excited about. So I think I speak for a lot of people in here when I say this is exciting and we have confidence in this team to get it done right.

But you are entitled to your opinion so I'm not gonna tell you what you can or can't think about this. I just choose to see this as a huge positive for the series.

[Hooe]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

Frostbite? Cool.

Can't wait to see it in action for Madden next year and - presumably - FIFA this year.

[Gridiron]

Re: FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

If they're gonna do this though, I say separate yourself completely from the old library. No code, no animations, nothing from the old game. Every blade of grass, every model, every detail, every pixel, it all needs to be new.