Madden NFL 17 Impressions

[Maxil]

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As much as I love this game, I have played over 20 games and am not exaggerating when I say that I have had a QB sack fumble happen in all of them. I've even turned the fumbles down to 25 and still no luck. Worst part is, is half the time the QB's arm is CLEARLY going forward, but you aren't even allowed to challenge it. Will this ever be patched? Really makes the game feel scripted

I wanted to post this to clarify if you are moving the slider in the proper direction.

The fumble slider you actually want to move UP (to the right) to decrease fumbles. Moving it Down (to the left) increases fumbles.

Some of these sliders are actually backwards of what they used to be if you read the description, they can be a bit tricky

[Sturzinator]

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Thing is, there is a very specific time at which that happens, and to avoid it you simply have to either bite the bullet and take the sack or make your decision sooner. You won't convince me it's ever undeserved; and since it's always deserved, that's pretty much the exact opposite of scripted. It's happening a lot to you now likely because you've gotten accustomed to getting away with holding the ball longer than you should. We're only talking about a split-second here; make the adjustment to your play instead of thinking sliders will save you from yourself.

Sacks get taken in the NFL as well. The ball doesn't always get out on time, even for the pros.

Difference is, NFL QBs don't fumble 80% of the time when they take a sack like they do in Madden. QB fumbles have been overblown in Madden for the past several years when running with the ball, now they've added this non sense on top of it,

Sure, we should strive to get the ball out on time. Typically, taking a sack and the resultant loss in yardage is the consequence for not doing so. A big negative change in the field position that is a central element to the real game of football. Fumbles will sometimes result as well, but not anywhere close to the frequency it does in Madden.

This isn't a user issue, it's yet another programming fault.

[ODogg]

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Sacks get taken in the NFL as well. The ball doesn't always get out on time, even for the pros.

Difference is, NFL QBs don't fumble 80% of the time when they take a sack like they do in Madden. QB fumbles have been overblown in Madden for the past several years when running with the ball, now they've added this non sense on top of it,

Sure, we should strive to get the ball out on time. Typically, taking a sack and the resultant loss in yardage is the consequence for not doing so. A big negative change in the field position that is a central element to the real game of football. Fumbles will sometimes result as well, but not anywhere close to the frequency it does in Madden.

This isn't a user issue, it's yet another programming fault.

Fumbles in that situation don't happen at an 80% rate, you're exaggerating or extremely unlucky. The rate, since it's been patched, is spot on IMO.

People complain and complain that they want more realism but when it's more realism in making their game worse they then want less realism and this is a perfect example.

What concerns me is the fact that EA may listen to people who really want to keep the "bad" aspects of football like this out (file this along with random snaps over your QB or punters head, more penalties and other unpopular realistic events) and EA will keep patching the realism that we did get right out of the game.

So sorry to be blunt here but you're wrong that it's messed up, it's not messed up at all, it's just not what you're used to. How about instead of complaining work on adjusting how you play??


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[Sturzinator]

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Fumbles in that situation don't happen at an 80% rate, you're exaggerating or extremely unlucky. The rate, since it's been patched, is spot on IMO.

People complain and complain that they want more realism but when it's more realism in making their game worse they then want less realism and this is a perfect example.

What concerns me is the fact that EA may listen to people who really want to keep the "bad" aspects of football like this out (file this along with random snaps over your QB or punters head, more penalties and other unpopular realistic events) and EA will keep patching the realism that we did get right out of the game.

So sorry to be blunt here but you're wrong that it's messed up, it's not messed up at all, it's just not what you're used to. How about instead of complaining work on adjusting how you play??


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I am all for realism, I think it's great that they can happen, but this simply isn't real.

Yes, 80% was an exaggeration, but I have yet to play a single game (All Madden) where there is not at least one strip sack on either side. My last game had one for both sides, one returned for a TD. I have watched several NFL games this past week alone, and didn't see a single one.

Adding in bad things that actually happen, but making them occur at rates that far exceed actual statistical occurrences is not realism.

No need to adjust the way I play. I don't take many sacks at all, but when I do, a fumble is all too often the result. Keep in mind this goes both ways. I am equally as disappointed when the CPU QB coughs up the ball as I am when it's my own. A strip sack-especially one returned for a TD- should be one of those 'whoa' moments. They simply do not happen very often. As it stands, I go into every game expecting to see 1-3 strip sacks from either side as a matter of common occurrence. The frequency at which they occur destroys the balance of the game and ruins immersion.

[fistofrage]

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My main issue is that there aren't nearly enough rb & wr fumbles. you could go seasons without seeing a running back fumble. Really takes away from the game.

[Rhudey]

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Fumbles in that situation don't happen at an 80% rate, you're exaggerating or extremely unlucky. The rate, since it's been patched, is spot on IMO.

People complain and complain that they want more realism but when it's more realism in making their game worse they then want less realism and this is a perfect example.

What concerns me is the fact that EA may listen to people who really want to keep the "bad" aspects of football like this out (file this along with random snaps over your QB or punters head, more penalties and other unpopular realistic events) and EA will keep patching the realism that we did get right out of the game.

So sorry to be blunt here but you're wrong that it's messed up, it's not messed up at all, it's just not what you're used to. How about instead of complaining work on adjusting how you play??


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I agree with this, I have taken a pile of sacks, sometimes the ball is incomplete and way off target, twice I've fumbled, I am not seeing qb fumbles 80% of the time. I don't think it's messed up and I hope they don't change it. The times I did fumble it, I had no problem with the outcome.

[Rhudey]

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I am convinced challenges don't work. I actually 'won' this challenge, where the wr caught the ball but was out of bounds. I didn't lose my timeout, and the commentators talked about it.

But despite this, the game still gave the ai a first down at the spot where the wr caught the ball out of bounds anyway.

I had the opposite, my wr caught a deep pass, got 3 steps in bounds and was called out. Upon challenge the referee said the play was reversed, but then it was second and 10 at the old spot.

[DeuceDouglas]

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Hanging the game up until the patch drops which should hopefully be soon from what I've seen on here and Twitter. I'm hoping it'll fix or at least alleviate a lot of the issues because I don't even think I'm going to make it into a CFM at this point. There's just too many nagging issues that kill the experience for me as an offline player. The CPU AI is in need of a major upgrade all around, most importantly at the QB position and just overall decision making.

I played a game today against the Bengals where they attempted a 59-yard FG into the wind on the first drive of the game. It was missed badly and didn't even make it to the back of the endzone. Then later in the game they have the ball on 4th and 1 going in the same direction and decide to kick a 54-yard FG that again comes up well short and wide. This kind of stuff is extremely common whether it's the CPU completely mismanaging the clock at the end of halves or games or CPU QB's constantly throwing the ball away or standing in for an eternity just to get sacked. Watching lineman be completely oblivious to rushers or get thrown to the ground as soon as the ball is snapped is also a huge annoyance. There's just a ton of issues big and little that add up and take the enjoyment completely out of the game for me. It probably plays great in a PvP format where a lot of the deficiencies can be masked but it's become less and less enjoyable since release as I've noticed more and more issues pop up. I'll probably give it another shot in a couple weeks depending on what's in the patch notes but if the same kind of stuff is still popping up every game I'm going to have to hang it up for good.

[capa]

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Hanging the game up until the patch drops which should hopefully be soon from what I've seen on here and Twitter. I'm hoping it'll fix or at least alleviate a lot of the issues because I don't even think I'm going to make it into a CFM at this point. There's just too many nagging issues that kill the experience for me as an offline player. The CPU AI is in need of a major upgrade all around, most importantly at the QB position and just overall decision making.

I played a game today against the Bengals where they attempted a 59-yard FG into the wind on the first drive of the game. It was missed badly and didn't even make it to the back of the endzone. Then later in the game they have the ball on 4th and 1 going in the same direction and decide to kick a 54-yard FG that again comes up well short and wide. This kind of stuff is extremely common whether it's the CPU completely mismanaging the clock at the end of halves or games or CPU QB's constantly throwing the ball away or standing in for an eternity just to get sacked. Watching lineman be completely oblivious to rushers or get thrown to the ground as soon as the ball is snapped is also a huge annoyance. There's just a ton of issues big and little that add up and take the enjoyment completely out of the game for me. It probably plays great in a PvP format where a lot of the deficiencies can be masked but it's become less and less enjoyable since release as I've noticed more and more issues pop up. I'll probably give it another shot in a couple weeks depending on what's in the patch notes but if the same kind of stuff is still popping up every game I'm going to have to hang it up for good.

You hit the nail on the head for me as well. I am waiting to see what the patch brings.

For a human vs CPU player, there are so many on the field issues it really kills the immersion and gameplay experience for me. The items you mention are great examples, and unfortunately, the tip of the iceberg.

Amazing that after all the improvements they have made over the last 2 years that these types of things are still in the game and affecting the on the field gameplay experience. It seems as if they cannot always see the forest for the trees.

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[JHedges2]

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I'm sure this has been addressed somewhere. If anyone has a link that would be great--but what's up with the lighting. I feel like the lighting is terrible in most stadiums. All the 1:00 kickoffs look like it's about 4 or 5 in the afternoon.

They do a terrible job of depicting a bright sunny day. Indy is an exception that I've seen--but most seem WAY too dark.

Thoughts?

[teeteegardner]

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last Madden game im getting. the sliders remain broken. pass defense is garbage, run game is a mixed bag at best. players doin weird crap moving backwards and catching balls over defenders like its nothing. it almost feels worse than 16 at times. just my 2 cents.

[Yerner]

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About done with my first season after about a month. Its not a great game. It sucks realizing that they'll never really fix it. Year after year it will just mask problems and cause other ones. I guess they don't have to. But man how amazing would it be if they just started from scratch and built a great football sim. Its almost depressing if I didn't know its not important at all.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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This new patch has made tackles look much better with more players, especially RB's, falling forward instead of being knocked backwards onto their back.

[GoBigRed29]

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About done with my first season after about a month. Its not a great game. It sucks realizing that they'll never really fix it. Year after year it will just mask problems and cause other ones. I guess they don't have to. But man how amazing would it be if they just started from scratch and built a great football sim. Its almost depressing if I didn't know its not important at all.

I haven't played enough of this year but this has been the main reason why I've skipped several next generation Madden Games. The constant recycling of features and obvious withholding of in-depth improvements. I love this series but if it wasn't for playing Franchise with my real life friends...not sure if I would get it.

The crazy thing is....I'd happily pay a annual fee of some kind if they truly dedicated themselves to giving me the best/most in-depth madden game that could be delivered.

[KrisMarina]

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Really enjoying the game after the patch, seems to have solved a lot of major grumbles.

One thing I would like to see brought in is the ability to set a snap count. I just think it would be another touch of realism and would also help in certain situations. I.E 4th and 3 and you're on a drive you need to score on, use that to draw the D into the Neutral Zone etc.