As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[vrtkolman]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

To those saying this isn't really that big of a deal, I completely disagree. This is one of the main reasons why the CPU is not competitive at all against the user. The CPU cannot score points consistently when every other drive stalls because of a 10+ yard sack.

[TexInOrd]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

They have shown over the years that they are content to release a buggy, broken product, apt to fix it with game breaking tuners and patches, repackage the next year, and do it all again.

What's the definition of insanity?

I'll play my 10 hours and make my buy decision after.

I have purchased every madden since 03. 10 was the last decent one imo.

[infemous]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I have thought about fifa and the hockey game before to get my franchise fix since madden is 1999 basic. I have never bothered with them because they are made by ea and my experience with madden shows ea does not care about on depth franchise. Frankly, nba 2k works for me and beyond that I would rather play franchise badminton than another ea sports game. Madden is the only choice of about football game so they have me prisoner there but I don't know if I am even going to bother with a franchise this year.
May just play a bunch of different seasons as different players and see if I can set some single season records. I am going to treat it as an arcade game since madden should be embarrassed to even mutter the word sim at this point.

2k MyLeague has so much depth and despite some sim stats and results issues, it plays really well if you wanna dedicate yourself to it. I can only recommend it.

I would avoid FIFA unless they've done something drastic this year.

I've heard The Show has amazing offline play too, but yeah I'm in full agreement I don't trust EA for career modes anymore and only play their games for the online aspects, which is a shame because Online CFM has so much potential and is definitely the best part about Madden since it came onto PS3.

[Swagger Jack]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm not sure what you mean by they won't speak on it.

Clint has already said they are looking at, which is better than having it ignored on Twitter.

Clint stated this before this thread was born and I posted it in one or two of the video threads.

I'm not sure what more we can get out of them than that at this point.

In my opinion, it's been acknowledged.

Here is the short Twitter exchange:

Just a concern I noticed: it appears that CPU qbs do not move in the pocket or scramble. Is there a tuning that can fix it?

We're looking at that

"They're looking at it." They're looking at it? And what if I told you that's not good enough? I need to hear "yes we see it, yes it's a problem, yes we have plans to fix it" I'm a customer I think yall for get that sometimes like this is not some negotiation here this is *do you want my money or not* you go somewhere to get your car fixed "we're looking at it" is not going to suffice. You need solid evidence and commitment that your issue is going to be solved.

This seems to be an issue that lasted ALL YEAR for M17 and I need to know if EA is willing to let this last into M18, because it's quite simple. If it does, I'm not buying the game and I don't think the people in this community that care about simulation gaming should either.

[kehlis]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Ok but can you address my other point though? We know THEY KNOW about this issue and they won't speak on it, what else could we do other than not buy it? If we can't get a response? And even if the topic of this thread does get off point we all simply WANT the issue to be FIXED or at least acknowledged.



Let me restate the original premise. We as a community CANNOT accept the current CPU QB play, and the "not accepting" part involves not buying the game or buying the game used and I think that is EXTREMELY relevant. I can't say that that's the way other threads should have gone, but this one specifically...How else can I say it? If it was ever justified to say it I think this is the place to say it until we hear from those guys.

Confused as to what point you would like me, a moderator at OS, to address?

[roadman]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

"They're looking at it." They're looking at it? And what if I told you that's not good enough? I need to hear "yes we see it, yes it's a problem, yes we have plans to fix it" I'm a customer I think yall for get that sometimes like this is not some negotiation here this is *do you want my money or not* you go somewhere to get your car fixed "we're looking at it" is not going to suffice. You need solid evidence and commitment that your issue is going to be solved.

This seems to be an issue that lasted ALL YEAR for M17 and I need to know if EA is willing to let this last into M18, because it's quite simple. If it does, I'm not buying the game and I don't think the people in this community that care about simulation gaming should either.

I get the frustrated customer angle and I'm not happy with the results of this lingering, either.

Go on Twitter and tell all that stuff to Clint.

At the very least, they have acknowledged they are looking at it, instead of radio silence since last year on the matter.

Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you.

[bad_philanthropy]

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Feels like the same old process of Madden's devs running up against the limitations of the code base, and after progressing in some areas, are just caught in tuning hell. Fix or improve one aspect of the gameplay and it breaks another, or causes a reversion bug, and most of your already short dev time is spent on playing whack-a-mole over gameplay balance versus implementation.

I have no doubt Rex and co. are doing their best, I just feel like Madden is, at its essence, an especially wheezy and crotchety old jumble of code.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Feels like the same old process of Madden's devs running up against the limitations of the code base, and after progressing in some areas, are just caught in tuning hell. Fix or improve one aspect of the gameplay and it breaks another, or causes a reversion bug, and most of your already short dev time is spent on playing whack-a-mole over gameplay balance versus implementation.

I have no doubt Rex and co. are doing their best, I just feel like Madden is, at its essence, an especially wheezy and crotchety old jumble of code.

I would love for them to take 2-3 years off and just rebuild the entire thing from the ground up.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

"They're looking at it." They're looking at it? And what if I told you that's not good enough? I need to hear "yes we see it, yes it's a problem, yes we have plans to fix it" I'm a customer I think yall for get that sometimes like this is not some negotiation here this is *do you want my money or not* you go somewhere to get your car fixed "we're looking at it" is not going to suffice. You need solid evidence and commitment that your issue is going to be solved.

This seems to be an issue that lasted ALL YEAR for M17 and I need to know if EA is willing to let this last into M18, because it's quite simple. If it does, I'm not buying the game and I don't think the people in this community that care about simulation gaming should either.

That is a poor example. You havent purchased the game yet. To use your example, you want to buy a car and have been told that there are some issues with it that the dealer is trying to figure out how to fix.

Now if you buy that car, you cant complain about the issues because you willingly bought the car knowing there were issues and only with a promise that it would get looked into. You could wait to see if those issues are fixed down the line and buy the car then. Or you could wait and buy the car from someone else for cheaper because you are unhappy with how the dealer responded to the issue.

[aholbert32]

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I would love for them to take 2-3 years off and just rebuild the entire thing from the ground up.

I would love if they could fix all the legacy issues....neither of those things will happen.

Also there is no guarantee that rebuilding is the answer. EA has taken off years to rebuild Live and it still is below average.

[Rocky]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I think because of the lineplay, the issue looks worse that it actually is. There is no collapsing pocket as the back end has things locked up. Instead a random DL breaks through runs right into the QB's vision for 5 yards while the QB just stands there.

Why doesn't the QB throw the ball away or scramble you say? Because then there just wouldn't be alot of sacks. Again, I believe the CPU QB AI is bad but it's also a bit of a means to an ends.

CPU QB AI is tough to tune though. Too good and it's robo QB, too bad it's a situation to what we have now.

[Ueauvan]

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Clint wants us to buy the game and then complain after they have our money and zero reason to fix it as we are the whiner offline cfm'ers ...
is that the same for the borker zone defence or the 6 other things that wont work as they should or as intended at launch (that number randomly generated off a 12 sided die) but would be in line with historical performance

[deu22ces]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I would love if they could fix all the legacy issues....neither of those things will happen.

Also there is no guarantee that rebuilding is the answer. EA has taken off years to rebuild Live and it still is below average.

Hmm, but they can, and apparently have, been able to work on a completely new mode behind the scenes for 4 years while providing modest upgrades in the meantime on the rest of the game. And apparently there's things in that mode that can be ported over to existing modes. When they WANT it done, it gets done...and the 'resources' are found to do it.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Clint wants us to buy the game and then complain after they have our money and zero reason to fix it as we are the whiner offline cfm'ers ...
is that the same for the borker zone defence or the 6 other things that wont work as they should or as intended at launch (that number randomly generated off a 12 sided die) but would be in line with historical performance

You dont have to buy the game or you can buy it used.

[Speedy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Feels like the same old process of Madden's devs running up against the limitations of the code base, and after progressing in some areas, are just caught in tuning hell. Fix or improve one aspect of the gameplay and it breaks another, or causes a reversion bug, and most of your already short dev time is spent on playing whack-a-mole over gameplay balance versus implementation.

I have no doubt Rex and co. are doing their best, I just feel like Madden is, at its essence, an especially wheezy and crotchety old jumble of code.

Then...it's time to scap the old code and go back and fix it.

I would gladly pay for a game with subpar graphics that is a blast to play vs. an awesome looking game that gets repetitive and frustrating quickly.

Look at Player Unknown Battlegrounds...top seller on Steam for PC and the graphics are poor (still) vs. today's standards but the game play is wonderful and always different. Minecraft is another example.

I honestly would buy a game looking like Madden 2005 if it had all the stuff Deuce had in his CFM thread.