As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Can someone tell me if they've seen any other QB's besides Cam Newton throw across their body like that when they're running toward the LOS? I swear I've only seen videos of Cam doing it but I may be wrong.

Also, someone with the full game, can you list Cam's QB traits?

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

So, with the retail version, is it the issue the same as in the EA Access version? We are getting reports it's improved with a patch?

I meant, Qb's standing in the pocket like statues and not taking off.

Yea I think the issue with QB's scrambling but when they get to the LOS, they throw back across their body like that is more frustrating than anything else.

I can't speak to the EA Access version, the only thing I've played is the full version so I'm not sure. It's something that's been noticeable from the beginning though. Here's the play I mentioned earlier from Cam:

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Could have very likely had the first down there and you can also see a bit of the statue nature at the beginning.

Another issue I've seen a bunch is on screens. When they run them correctly the screens are great for the CPU but it seems like it's 50-50 on whether or not they actually throw the ball. The Panthers ran two in the game I just played and both resulted in sacks:

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Screens are a play that IMO I don't think should ever result in sacks so if anything there I'd rather see him chuck the ball 20 rows out of bounds than ever take a sack.

There was another play where Cam did a great job of avoiding my user rusher and looked like he was going to scramble but ended up running right to a defender and also again tried to throw right as he got to the LOS:

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And then here's one last one that's just a basic statue sack:

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Not a terrible one but just no movement at all. When it happens on All-Pro it doesn't look anywhere near as bad as it does on All-Madden and it's likely because user pass rush is much better on All-Pro so there's not as much time to throw or for them to stand around. There's plays on All-Madden where they'll get 7 or more seconds to just stand there with no pressure whatsoever so oddly enough it's more of an issue on All-Madden.

Another thing I've noticed is that in a lot of the clips I've recorded of it happening it's on four verticals and curl flats which isn't really surprising I guess but it's been a common theme on more than a few of them.

Thank you for pointing out all madden was played with default sliders. The same for all pro correct?

I hope others that post data when the game is released also outline their settings so the fix can be replicated consistently. Based on your feedback and EAs promise to tune modes independently I'm extremely tempted to completely ignore a lot of sliders for the promise of proper tuning

Correct. I've wanted to switch sliders up but have held off because it seems pointless at this point when there is likely going to be major changes to defense coming. But every game I've played has been Play Now on default All-Madden or All-Pro and I totally agree with what you're saying. On Simulation I'd like to see QB Accuracy tuned way down to the point where the base 50 creates a ton more inaccuracies among all QB's. At 50 right now I feel like there's no reason to even consider going anything over that and if I was making changes the first thing I would do is knock it down to at least 25. There's a few here and there but most incompletions are drops from my experience.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Can someone tell me if they've seen any other QB's besides Cam Newton throw across their body like that when they're running toward the LOS? I swear I've only seen videos of Cam doing it but I may be wrong.

Also, someone with the full game, can you list Cam's QB traits?

I saw Dak, Tyrod, Russell and Mariota do it as well in all the games I played.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Can someone tell me if they've seen any other QB's besides Cam Newton throw across their body like that when they're running toward the LOS? I swear I've only seen videos of Cam doing it but I may be wrong.

Also, someone with the full game, can you list Cam's QB traits?

I've seen Wilson and Rodgers do it just off the top of my head. I know it's happened more than a few times to me though.

And here's Cam's traits:

[bcruise]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I've seen Wilson and Rodgers do it just off the top of my head. I know it's happened more than a few times to me though.

And here's Cam's traits:

Glad you mentioned this because Cam having the "Balanced" trait seems a bit odd to me. Maybe the game expects him to get his yards through option plays?

For reference, he was Scrambling style in M17.

Winston is balanced too, which is who Mill is playing against right now.

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I can't speak to the EA Access version, the only thing I've played is the full version so I'm not sure. It's something that's been noticeable from the beginning though. Here's the play I mentioned earlier from Cam:

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Could have very likely had the first down there and you can also see a bit of the statue nature at the beginning.

Another issue I've seen a bunch is on screens. When they run them correctly the screens are great for the CPU but it seems like it's 50-50 on whether or not they actually throw the ball. The Panthers ran two in the game I just played and both resulted in sacks:

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Screens are a play that IMO I don't think should ever result in sacks so if anything there I'd rather see him chuck the ball 20 rows out of bounds than ever take a sack.

There was another play where Cam did a great job of avoiding my user rusher and looked like he was going to scramble but ended up running right to a defender and also again tried to throw right as he got to the LOS:

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And then here's one last one that's just a basic statue sack:

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<iframe src='https://gfycat.com/ifr/HeartfeltFlawedEkaltadeta' frameborder='0' scrolling='no' allowfullscreen width='640' height='360'></iframe>

Not a terrible one but just no movement at all. When it happens on All-Pro it doesn't look anywhere near as bad as it does on All-Madden and it's likely because user pass rush is much better on All-Pro so there's not as much time to throw or for them to stand around. There's plays on All-Madden where they'll get 7 or more seconds to just stand there with no pressure whatsoever so oddly enough it's more of an issue on All-Madden.

Another thing I've noticed is that in a lot of the clips I've recorded of it happening it's on four verticals and curl flats which isn't really surprising I guess but it's been a common theme on more than a few of them.



Correct. I've wanted to switch sliders up but have held off because it seems pointless at this point when there is likely going to be major changes to defense coming. But every game I've played has been Play Now on default All-Madden or All-Pro and I totally agree with what you're saying. On Simulation I'd like to see QB Accuracy tuned way down to the point where the base 50 creates a ton more inaccuracies among all QB's. At 50 right now I feel like there's no reason to even consider going anything over that and if I was making changes the first thing I would do is knock it down to at least 25. There's a few here and there but most incompletions are drops from my experience.

Man, can someone send this to Rex!?!

Bring back Tuck & Run Traits, Bring back Fluid traits
See:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DDcyGXhtZg68&ved=0ahUKEwiH4bi72ebVAhWm1IMKHfQbAc4QwqsBCCcwAA&usg=AFQjCNG4lTHQzYYMfvbi6pq37vVGg5BZjg

[schnaidt1]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

can anyone post on how this is after the day 0 patch?? im very curious as i don't want another Madden 15 sack issue that goes unaddressed because the devs say they don't see any issue....

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[Xpider]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I had been buying Madden every year since 07 and this might be the first year I'm skipping it. Maybe I'm getting older, or maybe I've found other ways to occupy my time. I'm a big fan of career mode. I used to be able to play online CFM with other people before but now I simply don't have time to do it due to work and other things, so playing singleplayer CFM is the only way I can enjoy the game. I'm sure a lot of other people are in similar situation.

There were so many flaws with the CFM last year. Where do I start?

-AI coach-firing logic
-AI free-agency logic (Raiders letting Derek Carr walk away, teams signing 30 year-old+ players to huge contracts, etc)
-AI-to-AI trade logic (I can't even...)
-Generated rookies were so inconsistent and sometimes unrealistic. It was virtually impossible to find a good DT unless you convert from a 300lb DE. Way too many 6'4 CBs.
-auto subs didn't work well. Teams don't run a 2-RB system.

I can stomach all these flaws, as long as I could get a competitive game vs the AI. But the QB play was just so horrid, it completely destroyed the game for me. It sounds like nothing's changed this year, so we're basically paying 60 bucks for a new UI?

Let's face it - 90% of EA's focus is on MUT, online lobby gaming, etc. That's where they make their big bucks. Even in online CFM, they assume at least 70% of the league would be filled by human players, so AI improvement takes a back seat. Offline players always get the crumbs. Want a meaningful improvement? You better hope the pie is out-of-this-world good.

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Any videos of Dual Threat qbs taking off more than a couple times per game?
I've heard some have seen the CPU takeoff when playing VS certain Qbs (ex. Dak)
So set the dual threats to the same traits.
Set the CPU PB to a more Run N Gun, too bad we can't give them Chip Kelly's PB from M25.

[eastcoast49ers]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I have tried tweeting the devs about this but get no response. Any luck from anyone else? Sadly this issue is sort of a game killer for us offline folks.

[Millennium]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I have tried tweeting the devs about this but get no response. Any luck from anyone else? Sadly this issue is sort of a game killer for us offline folks.

You tweeted me though.

I'm monitoring it and have already mentioned the issue 2 gameplay devs who already had heard about it from these forums.

You guys need to have a little more faith.

[Swagger Jack]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

You tweeted me though.

I'm monitoring it and have already mentioned the issue 2 gameplay devs who already had heard about it from these forums.

You guys need to have a little more faith.

Trying to have hope man! Thats why I made this thread I want to love video game football!

[Millennium]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Trying to have hope man! Thats why I made this thread I want to love video game football!

I get it - and love the passion. I just want to make sure everyone knows that just because the devs don't comment doesn't mean they aren't listening and taking notes, and that they don't have ears in places from other voices.

I've had the convo. I know they've seen Deuce's work (especially his franchise menu redesigns). Just want to make sure we keep the convo constructive.

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[schnaidt1]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

You tweeted me though.

I'm monitoring it and have already mentioned the issue 2 gameplay devs who already had heard about it from these forums.

You guys need to have a little more faith.

i appreciate all you do...its just hard to have faith after how they handled the sack issue from a few Madden ago when literally every post on here complained about getting 10 sacks a game...and ea came out with a patch and in the patch notes directly said "we looked into the sack issue so many ppl have talked about, we didn't find anything wrong with the sack amounts and thus left it unchanged"

it took them until football season was almost over last year before they made the qb accuracy slider work after their patch that broke qb inaccuracies...

its hard to have faith as a sim offline gamer. i remain hopeful...but i don't have much faith right now.

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[Millennium]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

i appreciate all you do...its just hard to have faith after how they handled the sack issue from a few Madden ago when literally every post on here complained about getting 10 sacks a game...and ea came out with a patch and in the patch notes directly said "we looked into the sack issue so many ppl have talked about, we didn't find anything wrong with the sack amounts and thus left it unchanged"

it took them until football season was almost over last year before they made the qb accuracy slider work after their patch that broke qb inaccuracies...

its hard to have faith as a sim offline gamer. i remain hopeful...but i don't have much faith right now.

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How is it hard to have faith when they created a game setting SPECIFICALLY for us?

Sometimes I feel like the chip on our shoulders blocks our view of the whole picture. That's a major issue we as a "sim" community need to deal with.

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