As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[Speedy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

It would be crazy them to say anything other than "we've seen it". Even hinting at things from that blueprint being added would be a mistake, because we know that many of the decisions about resource allocation for the mode is made above the developer level.

Saying that something will make it in future additions and then it not happening would cause people here to be even more angry than they are now.

Yeah, that's a fair point. I'd just like to hear the dev's future state of the game is in the same line with what OS wants.

[KingV2k3]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Ok so how much of this has to do with QB Style?

For example, I've played around 6 full games and the only person that I saw consistently scramble was Russel Wilson and he is set to "Scrambling" on QB Style. I played Cam and he didnt scramble at all because his QB Style was "Balanced" AND his pressure sense was "Oblivious"

You are on to something!!!!

I may go in and do full QB edits and test all this if after the day 0 patch this is still an issue.

And 99% of the time I get the statue effect is on vertical plays and screens.

In previous iterations, changing Pocket Presence to "Ideal" while having "Throw Ball Away" set to "Yes" made a world of difference...

Also, any QB (even Brady) set to "Pocket Passer" in either the player edit screen or in the Player Style box in the scheme menu lead to sacks being taken unnecessarily...

For the most part, "Pocket Passers" function better with a "Balanced" setting, Balanced guys should be set to "Scrambling", etc...

Pocket Presence should be "Ideal" for almost everybody, only setting guys like Geno Smith to "Trigger Happy"...

IMHO, EVERY NFL QB should have "Throw the Ball Away" set to "Yes", for the purpose of this game...

There's so many other factors involved (QB attributes / scheme settings / hidden HC settings) that also affect QB play, making these moves won't make "everyone play the same"...


In Duce's video, if Winston was set to "Scrambling" / "Ideal" / "Yes", he MAY have just thrown the ball away, when the pocket broke down...

Anyway:

Worked well in the past, this year's issues may be more pronounced, mitigating the effect of the above, suggested edits...

Worth a shot, IMHO...

I look VERY forward to hearing what you guys may find works this time around...

[Rodrig13]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

In previous iterations, changing Pocket Presence to "Ideal" while having "Throw Ball Away" set to "Yes" made a world of difference...

Also, any QB (even Brady) set to "Pocket Passer" in either the player edit screen or in the Player Style box in the scheme menu lead to sacks being taken unnecessarily...

For the most part, "Pocket Passers" function better with a "Balanced" setting, Balanced guys should be set to "Scrambling", etc...

Pocket Presence should be "Ideal" for almost everybody, only setting guys like Geno Smith to "Trigger Happy"...

IMHO, EVERY NFL QB should have "Throw the Ball Away" set to "Yes", for the purpose of this game...

There's so many other factors involved (QB attributes / scheme settings / hidden HC settings) that also affect QB play, making these moves won't make "everyone play the same"...


In Duce's video, if Winston was set to "Scrambling" / "Ideal" / "Yes", he MAY have just thrown the ball away, when the pocket broke down...

Anyway:

Worked well in the past, this year's issues may be more pronounced, mitigating the effect of the above, suggested edits...

Worth a shot, IMHO...

I look VERY forward to hearing what you guys may find works this time around...

I've used these edits in every game since the introduction of player traits with great success. I plan on making a roster when I get home with these edits for PS4. It'll be under PSN Rodrig13 titled "QB Edits" dated for today. I'd be interested to see if they still work and would greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to test and give feedback.

UPDATE:

Early returns indicate these edits work 100%. I was usually getting games where I'd end up with 6-10 sacks. Most of those were coming from plays where the QB would stand there like a statue and take a sack. I just finished my first game with 3 sacks. However, what's most important was that every time I generated significant pressure, the CPU flushed out of the pocket or even stepped up into the pocket to make a play.

My theory is that the player traits are directly affecting statistical outcome of a play. In other words, when a QB has a certain trait, his behavior on that play is predetermined by a dice roll based on the trait and the player's rating. By uniforming the traits, we are eliminating the dice roll. Just a theory...

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Has EA addressed in any way if the day 0 patch might have an effect on CPU QB AI?

Because reading through this thread and seeing the videos, boy, do things look bad.

Even a non-scrambling QB should run forward a little bit and QB slide with some of those wide open fields where they choose to throw instead.

I've played around 20 games and it's an issue. I will say it's a lot worse on All-Madden than All-Pro though.

You will get times like this:

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where things play out great and everything looks good. But for every one of those you get probably 5-10 of these:

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QB's seem to have a real hang up with the LOS and will either do that or often throw illegal forward passes. QB's do move, just not intelligently the vast majority of the time and it seems like more often than not the statue issue pops up when there's decent coverage and the AI waits for someone to come open rather than take chances or move.

The one thing that worries me is that I see a lot of people talking about how weak pass rush is and while I agree, I'm worried about what it might mean for AI QB's. On one hand, it seems like they're at the best movement wise when pressure is quick. But on the other, I'm already averaging 4-6 sacks every single game with weak pass rush so if it's made stronger that number could jump even higher.

[cable guy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I've played around 20 games and it's an issue. I will say it's a lot worse on All-Madden than All-Pro though.

You will get times like this:

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where things play out great and everything looks good. But for every one of those you get probably 5-10 of these:

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QB's seem to have a real hang up with the LOS and will either do that or often throw illegal forward passes. QB's do move, just not intelligently the vast majority of the time and it seems like more often than not the statue issue pops up when there's decent coverage and the AI waits for someone to come open rather than take chances or move.

The one thing that worries me is that I see a lot of people talking about how weak pass rush is and while I agree, I'm worried about what it might mean for AI QB's. On one hand, it seems like they're at the best movement wise when pressure is quick. But on the other, I'm already averaging 4-6 sacks every single game with weak pass rush so if it's made stronger that number could jump even higher.

Absolutely, (basing off of 17 anyway) the CPU QB reacted better, under more pressure.

Question. How is the cpu pass blocking this year if you are usering a DL man? I couldn't play on the line last year because of the insta block shed.




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[Rodrig13]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Update:

I've made all the player trait edits to all the rostered QBs and any FA QB of note. I uploaded the roster for PS4 under PSN ID Rodrig13 titled QBEDITS posted on today's date. Let me know if you guys see improvement, I feel like a QB accuracy slider tweak might be necessary.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Update:

I've made all the player trait edits to all the rostered QBs and any FA QB of note. I uploaded the roster for PS4 under PSN ID Rodrig13 titled QBEDITS posted on today's date. Let me know if you guys see improvement, I feel like a QB accuracy slider tweak might be necessary.

I've lowered mine to 35.

Remember with the edits it should probably be no one with an "Oblivious" pressure sense and any QB that even scrambles a little should probably become a "scrambling QB" (ex. Alex Smith)

[Rodrig13]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I've lowered mine to 35.

Remember with the edits it should probably be no one with an "Oblivious" pressure sense and any QB that even scrambles a little should probably become a "scrambling QB" (ex. Alex Smith)

Yeah. I moved every QB style right one. Pocket Passers are now Balanced and Balanced are now Scramblers. For now, I made every pressure sense Ideal to see what kind of effect is achieved. Be careful with the slider tweaks. I've noticed that a little bit goes a long way this year and also that any significant tweak affects CPU play calling. With lower CPU passing skill, the CPU will run more etc.

I went with...

QB Accuracy 46
Pass Blocking 47
WR Catching 46

On All-Madden, Gameplay speed set to Very Slow
Just a preference of mine to play those settings though. I'd imagine they work across the board. Getting some great results. In my last game, I had a play that I'd imagine would have normally resulted in a statue sack. The QB stood in the pocket for roughly 6 seconds, but let it rip at the last possible moment. The ball was deep and tipped twice and caught by the offense! I'll post a video later.

[soulsearcher]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

AI qb play has been an issue for a while. Even if it did fix it, or help, it shouldn't be necessary for the user to go in and manually edit players to make them more like they are IRL. It should ship that way. Esp when qb play is so crucial to the sport of football and thus the realism of a football video game.

It's the little things also- for example, deshaun Watson's throwing motion in madden is nothing like his actual motion. They have him assigned that same generic, long arm action. It's awful. 2k for example would never have a 1st round pick have a shooting motion so wrong for that player. Look at lonzo balls motion in the screenshot they released. It's going to be extremely accurate. Madden falls miserably short in this regard. It just really hurts the immersion.

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[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Played two games on All Madden wuth a couple slider adjustments. Cam Newton scrambled behind the line a bit and threw, while Russell Wilson went full Russell Wilson on me, both in gaining yards running and dodging sure sacks.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I've used these edits in every game since the introduction of player traits with great success. I plan on making a roster when I get home with these edits for PS4. It'll be under PSN Rodrig13 titled "QB Edits" dated for today. I'd be interested to see if they still work and would greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to test and give feedback.

UPDATE:

Early returns indicate these edits work 100%. I was usually getting games where I'd end up with 6-10 sacks. Most of those were coming from plays where the QB would stand there like a statue and take a sack. I just finished my first game with 3 sacks. However, what's most important was that every time I generated significant pressure, the CPU flushed out of the pocket or even stepped up into the pocket to make a play.

My theory is that the player traits are directly affecting statistical outcome of a play. In other words, when a QB has a certain trait, his behavior on that play is predetermined by a dice roll based on the trait and the player's rating. By uniforming the traits, we are eliminating the dice roll. Just a theory...

Update:

I've made all the player trait edits to all the rostered QBs and any FA QB of note. I uploaded the roster for PS4 under PSN ID Rodrig13 titled QBEDITS posted on today's date. Let me know if you guys see improvement, I feel like a QB accuracy slider tweak might be necessary.

Fantastic. I am going to DL this roster and test it out. Huge that you took some timed did this....because this was my next move as well.


I will post this in my slider thread as well.

Very much appreciated and I will post feedback in this thread about it.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Played two games on All Madden wuth a couple slider adjustments. Cam Newton scrambled behind the line a bit and threw, while Russell Wilson went full Russell Wilson on me, both in gaining yards running and dodging sure sacks.

But I haven't played against a non-mobile QB, and again I am playing on All Madden. But thus far I have not really seen what was in the old videos.

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Played two games on All Madden wuth a couple slider adjustments. Cam Newton scrambled behind the line a bit and threw, while Russell Wilson went full Russell Wilson on me, both in gaining yards running and dodging sure sacks.

This sounds great, could you tell us this slider adjustments and what was Wilson's traits, please?

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

@ Cable Guy,
Remember how well the qb edits helped last Madden?
Looks to be the same for M18, smh
Heck, if editing playbooks work and we can get QBs playing smarter, I may decide to buy after all.
I'm kinda waiting to see what they do for "Sim"Mode, is it 1yr and done, like so many other features?
I mean, could someone tweet and ask Clint or Any EA rep. And ask why was Tuck & Run removed? and how hard is it to add it back?

[cable guy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

@ Cable Guy,
Remember how well the qb edits helped last Madden?
Looks to be the same for M18, smh
Heck, if editing playbooks work and we can get QBs playing smarter, I may decide to buy after all.
I'm kinda waiting to see what they do for "Sim"Mode, is it 1yr and done, like so many other features?
I mean, could someone tweet and ask Clint or Any EA rep. And ask why was Tuck & Run removed? and how hard is it to add it back?

Sure do!

Made all the difference in the world for ootb.

We also the raised QB AWR rating for cpu opponent. Before game. And changed it back after.

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