As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

The problem is you can't just set most QB's to Ideal Trait because it actually boosts their QB play as well. I did this last night and bad QB's played amazing.

It's good to do for good QB's but for bad ones that shouldn't be playing like superstars they end up playing too good.

This is the exact definition of the Ideal Sense Pressure Trait:

Ideal QBs will have a combination of all the Sense Pressure Traits. They will feature the Oblivious boost to QB stats when not under pressure, feature the Paranoid traits when under pressure, and feature the increase release seen in Trigger Happy but maintain their accuracy. Passing boosts will change quicker depending on the situation.

You can't give this trait to every QB, you'll start seeing the Brian Hoyer's and the Brock Osweiler's playing like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers AND being mobile.

Instead these lower tier QB's should have the Paranoid or Trigger Happy trait because then they will make those inaccurate throws while STILL being mobile especially with the Paranoid trait.

A lot more testing needs to be done with this.

[Rodrig13]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

The problem is you can't just set most QB's to Ideal Trait because it actually boosts their QB play as well. I did this last night and bad QB's played amazing.

It's good to do for good QB's but for bad ones that shouldn't be playing like superstars they end up playing too good.

This is the exact definition of the Ideal Sense Pressure Trait:



You can't give this trait to every QB, you'll start seeing the Brian Hoyer's and the Brock Osweiler's playing like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers AND being mobile.

Instead these lower tier QB's should have the Paranoid or Trigger Happy trait because then they will make those inaccurate throws while STILL being mobile especially with the Paranoid trait.

A lot more testing needs to be done with this.

Agreed. I just posted the roster so we could test and get a baseline for what kind of effect we would see in QB behavior if it was set to ideal for everyone. Now we know we have to make an adjustment. I'm going to test some more when I get home today.

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Same as last year, but edits are so easy

Only 5-6 QB's should be ideal

Everyone pick or choose

Also raise and lower AWR and put it back after game

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Same as last year, but edits are so easy

Only 5-6 QB's should be ideal

Everyone pick or choose

Also raise and lower AWR and put it back after game

How many points of AWR are you raising the QB's and are you doing it for every QB you face?

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

How many points of AWR are you raising the QB's and are you doing it for every QB you face?

1-5 ticks either way unless I like where already set. Every QB I face and change back to not mess up sim stats

[Oraeon1224]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

While the pocket presence isn't great. The real failure of the AI is that they only throw the ball away out of bounds or if it would result in an intentional grounding they take a sack. Programming the AI to recognize a coming sack (higher on R for RH QB and weaker chance on Left) and then either use the check down or throw it near a receivers feet/area with no intention of making it would fix the issue and adjust QB completion percentages. That is how real football is played. Madden needs that more than scrambling. As it is the QB sits on a 4 vert route (also needs to be way rarer AI playcall) and takes a sack.

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

While the pocket presence isn't great. The real failure of the AI is that they only throw the ball away out of bounds or if it would result in an intentional grounding they take a sack. Programming the AI to recognize a coming sack (higher on R for RH QB and weaker chance on Left) and then either use the check down or throw it near a receivers feet/area with no intention of making it would fix the issue and adjust QB completion percentages. That is how real football is played. Madden needs that more than scrambling. As it is the QB sits on a 4 vert route (also needs to be way rarer AI playcall) and takes a sack.

They have a throw away ball trait, but does it work?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

The issue with these tweaks is that once you enter CFM, you can't edit a player's ratings, can you? So wouldn't this issue persist with incoming rookies?

Or did they make it so you can edit players in CFM this year?

[jfsolo]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

The issue with these tweaks is that once you enter CFM, you can't edit a player's ratings, can you? So wouldn't this issue persist with incoming rookies?

Or did they make it so you can edit players in CFM this year?

You can edit a player's ratings in CFM. You could do it last year as well.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

You can edit a player's ratings in CFM. You could do it last year as well.

Oh wonderful, haha. I played like 10 seasons last year and never realized that.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

While the pocket presence isn't great. The real failure of the AI is that they only throw the ball away out of bounds or if it would result in an intentional grounding they take a sack. Programming the AI to recognize a coming sack (higher on R for RH QB and weaker chance on Left) and then either use the check down or throw it near a receivers feet/area with no intention of making it would fix the issue and adjust QB completion percentages. That is how real football is played. Madden needs that more than scrambling. As it is the QB sits on a 4 vert route (also needs to be way rarer AI playcall) and takes a sack.

Intentional Grounding just flat out doesn't get called. It's literally one of the major things I complained about in 2016 AND in 2017. I wishlist'd it. I've bug reported it many times. I've asked Rex and Clint about it. It hasn't worked in I don't know how long.

QB's will sit in the pocket and throw the ball away sometimes with no receiver in the area (with the Throw Away Trait setting) and it doesn't get called.

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

AWR for Most QB's needs to be 65-78

Elite maybe higher. Too high for middle of road QB's

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

My thoughts on QB editing:

1. Only 6 QB's in Madden should have the Ideal Sense Pressure Trait, Ideal Force Pass and Throw Ball Away turned ON and CLUTCH set to ON:

• Tom Brady
• Aaron Rodgers
• Matt Ryan
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Derek Carr

(Yes Derek Carr, he was the least sacked QB last year).

2. The Sense Pressure traits do a lot more to the QB's abilities than you think it does. Ideal makes them play actually better and gives boost to stats.

3. The mobile QB's that have been in the league a while: Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Tyrod Taylor all should get the Paranoid Sense Pressure Trait. Throw Ball Away needs to be turned OFF. You want them running, not throwing the ball away. Russell Wilson CLUTCH ON, the others turn it OFF.

If you give them Ideal they will play amazing. They're good QB's but we don't want them putting up Aaron Rodgers type numbers. By giving them Paranoid, they will take off running more.

4. The mediocre pocket passing or Balanced QB's: The Andrew Luck's, The Eli Manning's, The Sam Bradford's, etc. should probably get the Conservative Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away ON, Force Passes set to Conservative. Clutch set to your discretion. Eli Manning clutch is ON. Andrew Luck set it OFF. Bradford OFF, etc.

5. The rookie QB's, Sophmore QB's: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, DeShone Kizer, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes should probably get the Average Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, CLUTCH OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive for Rookies and Conservative for Sophmores.

6. Bad QB's: Trigger Happy or Oblivious Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, Clutch OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive.

This is not 100% tested yet, but I'm working on it. Let me know your thoughts. It's obviously not going to be a perfect working system as the issues lie within the code with EA but it's a bandaid.

[KingV2k3]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

My thoughts on QB editing:

1. Only 6 QB's in Madden should have the Ideal Sense Pressure Trait, Ideal Force Pass and Throw Ball Away turned ON and CLUTCH set to ON:

• Tom Brady
• Aaron Rodgers
• Matt Ryan
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Derek Carr

(Yes Derek Carr, he was the least sacked QB last year).

2. The Sense Pressure traits do a lot more to the QB's abilities than you think it does. Ideal makes them play actually better and gives boost to stats.

3. The mobile QB's that have been in the league a while: Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Tyrod Taylor all should get the Paranoid Sense Pressure Trait. Throw Ball Away needs to be turned OFF. You want them running, not throwing the ball away. Russell Wilson CLUTCH ON, the others turn it OFF.

If you give them Ideal they will play amazing. They're good QB's but we don't want them putting up Aaron Rodgers type numbers. By giving them Paranoid, they will take off running more.

4. The mediocre pocket passing or Balanced QB's: The Andrew Luck's, The Eli Manning's, The Sam Bradford's, etc. should probably get the Conservative Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away ON, Force Passes set to Conservative. Clutch set to your discretion. Eli Manning clutch is ON. Andrew Luck set it OFF. Bradford OFF, etc.

5. The rookie QB's, Sophmore QB's: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, DeShone Kizer, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes should probably get the Average Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, CLUTCH OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive for Rookies and Conservative for Sophmores.

6. Bad QB's: Trigger Happy or Oblivious Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, Clutch OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive.

This is not 100% tested yet, but I'm working on it. Let me know your thoughts. It's obviously not going to be a perfect working system as the issues lie within the code with EA but it's a bandaid.

Great Stuff!

Yeah, when I posted earlier in the thread, I forgot some of the "finer points" of this topic from last year, etc...

Your more detailed breakdown pretty much nails it...

The main thing is that these settings are VERY responsive and can mitigate the sack issues when implemented properly, so thanks for the reminder / detail...

[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

While the pocket presence isn't great. The real failure of the AI is that they only throw the ball away out of bounds or if it would result in an intentional grounding they take a sack. Programming the AI to recognize a coming sack (higher on R for RH QB and weaker chance on Left) and then either use the check down or throw it near a receivers feet/area with no intention of making it would fix the issue and adjust QB completion percentages. That is how real football is played. Madden needs that more than scrambling. As it is the QB sits on a 4 vert route (also needs to be way rarer AI playcall) and takes a sack.

We have been telling them this for years.

But it is falling on deaf ears as this year proves that to me. I have been very supportive of this teams efforts. And they have really improved the game in many many ways.

But this crucial area of the offline solo franchise player has been totally ignored. We have pointed out the many flaws so they can focus on it.

But they have totally blown it off.

The proof is the fact the AI plays exactly the same way from the QB position. THE MOST IMPORTANT position on the field.

It's really for me at this point in the new console cycle inexcusable.