As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

My thoughts on QB editing:

1. Only 6 QB's in Madden should have the Ideal Sense Pressure Trait, Ideal Force Pass and Throw Ball Away turned ON and CLUTCH set to ON:

• Tom Brady
• Aaron Rodgers
• Matt Ryan
• Drew Brees
• Ben Roethlisberger
• Derek Carr

(Yes Derek Carr, he was the least sacked QB last year).

2. The Sense Pressure traits do a lot more to the QB's abilities than you think it does. Ideal makes them play actually better and gives boost to stats.

3. The mobile QB's that have been in the league a while: Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Tyrod Taylor all should get the Paranoid Sense Pressure Trait. Throw Ball Away needs to be turned OFF. You want them running, not throwing the ball away. Russell Wilson CLUTCH ON, the others turn it OFF.

If you give them Ideal they will play amazing. They're good QB's but we don't want them putting up Aaron Rodgers type numbers. By giving them Paranoid, they will take off running more.

4. The mediocre pocket passing or Balanced QB's: The Andrew Luck's, The Eli Manning's, The Sam Bradford's, etc. should probably get the Conservative Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away ON, Force Passes set to Conservative. Clutch set to your discretion. Eli Manning clutch is ON. Andrew Luck set it OFF. Bradford OFF, etc.

5. The rookie QB's, Sophmore QB's: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, DeShone Kizer, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes should probably get the Average Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, CLUTCH OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive for Rookies and Conservative for Sophmores.

6. Bad QB's: Trigger Happy or Oblivious Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, Clutch OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive.

This is not 100% tested yet, but I'm working on it. Let me know your thoughts. It's obviously not going to be a perfect working system as the issues lie within the code with EA but it's a bandaid.

This is fantastic stuff.

I can't wait for your findings!!!

[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Great Stuff!

Yeah, when I posted earlier in the thread, I forgot some of the "finer points" of this topic from last year, etc...

Your more detailed breakdown pretty much nails it...

The main thing is that these settings are VERY responsive and can mitigate the sack issues when implemented properly, so thanks for the reminder / detail...

Absolutely. But why we have to do all this heavy lifting and figuring this stuff out is what is a major letdown at this point.

It's really a little.....insulting.

But that's why I love this community. Look for solutions.

Operation Sports = greatest beta testers in Sports Gaming

#hardcoremutha***ka's

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Will start testing this now. If I can just get backups and avg to below avg QB's to play how they should

[KingV2k3]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Will start testing this now. If I can just get backups and avg to below avg QB's to play how they should

The QB AWR scaling / range is historically too tight...

Drop those players mentioned AWR anywhere from 5-10 points and you'll def see the difference...

QB AWR determines opposing D AWR...

The higher the CPU QB AWR, the bigger the windows / looser the coverage / pressure lessens...

Lower is the inverse, etc...

Those 60 to 70 AWR guys should really show their "skills" when AWR is closer to the 50-60 range...or possibly even lower...

HOWEVER:

That can lead to inflated sack numbers against these backups, so it's a delicate balance...

"Pick Yer Poison", etc...

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm going to make a list of all the QB's and what traits I have them set to once I test some more.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm going to make a list of all the QB's and what traits I have them set to once I test some more.

I dont see a forced passes: agressive. I just see balanced, conservative and ideal.

[KingV2k3]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm going to make a list of all the QB's and what traits I have them set to once I test some more.

Rovert and The Game do some VERY impressive work overhauling ratings for The Show...

They are currently bringing their expertise to M18...

Their thread is located here:

http://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football-rosters/913634-simulation-football-roster-madden-18-ps4.html

They're going to be editing everything from accuracy to traits to bring about the most sim based experience possible, within the game's existing roster logic...

Anyone who's as interested in that concept as I am, may what to drop in / follow that thread...

I took the liberty of sharing your last detailed post (#448), in the hopes that it'll help pull what needs to be done, further into focus...

I hope that's kool with you!

#vivaOS

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I dont see a forced passes: agressive. I just see balanced, conservative and ideal.

Yea I mistyped it. They changed it from last year. Going to redo my wording once I test more.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I dont see a forced passes: agressive. I just see balanced, conservative and ideal.

I posted a screenshot of Cam's traits somewhere in this thread and he had aggressive for his forces passes trait.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I posted a screenshot of Cam's traits somewhere in this thread and he had aggressive for his forces passes trait.

I'm not seeing it in CFM for any QB even Cam.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Currently streaming on twitch in one of the tests.

https://www.twitch.tv/joejccva71

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I dont see a forced passes: agressive. I just see balanced, conservative and ideal.

See how lil things that make a BIG difference keep getting lost, yr. To yr.
I really think EA needs to make 2 Different Maddens, I would love to See Madden Vs CPU and bring back all the features that made the cpu and franchise mode so good in the past.

Adaptive Traits, Tuck& Run, Aggressive passing, heck incorporate Head Coach, Vision cone, etc. Just give us the option to turn these features Off/on.
Idk, maybe I'm crazy, in my dreams lol

[mooch49]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Another thing that improves quarterback play are custom playbook. If you know how to do the 3rd string QB method by having 2 PSN accounts and 2 controllers, you can limit plays that cause sacks. For instance, before I play any team, I edit their offensive playbook and remove certain plays. I delete all hb/fb screens from every formation. I guess you can leave one or two, depending on the team. I also remove all Verticals/4 Verticals on every formation except 4th and long and Hail Mary. I find these methods greatly reduce sacks.

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[DeuceDouglas]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm not seeing it in CFM for any QB even Cam.

Gotcha. I checked him outside of CFM so that's interesting that it's different between the two.

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

After cutting game off because Bradford looked like Brady

I came to these settings and he is dumping ball off and not looking like superman