As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[The Chef]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

So for someone that is completely late to the thread, what is the cliffnotes version of edits being made to CPU QB's and is it working out better then the stock settings/ratings?

[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Yea in M16 it was good. But it was because of the Tuck & Run trait, but the online and competitive people complained so EA removed it.

Those who don't like sim or know legacy issues are the reason I hate the site. They ruin for us who want good fixes. I value a lot of the king time guys even if my other name was banned for ripping a dude a few years ago

[phillyfan23]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Yea in M16 it was good. But it was because of the Tuck & Run trait, but the online and competitive people complained so EA removed it.

How would it affect competitive online matches?? User controls all QBs right?

They need to put that back in, because scrambling QBs in 16 were absolutely legit and could change gameplans and games.


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[Grandview2015]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Maybe I'll restart my CFM and just play single-player online. Is the QB gameplay better cause of the tuners?

If that is true I may do same. Yes that gets tuned first. Find that out for me! Or I will test later

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

So for someone that is completely late to the thread, what is the cliffnotes version of edits being made to CPU QB's and is it working out better then the stock settings/ratings?

Chef this was my post back on page 50-something. But I don't believe it's working as consistently as we had hoped. The Paranoid sense pressure trait sometimes works but most often doesn't. I noticed last night that Trigger Happy trait was making one QB run but then it didn't work on other QB's. So I don't know anymore.

My thoughts on QB editing:

1. Only 6 QB's in Madden should have the Ideal Sense Pressure Trait, Ideal Force Pass and Throw Ball Away turned ON and CLUTCH set to ON:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Derek Carr
(Yes Derek Carr, he was the least sacked QB last year).

2. The Sense Pressure traits do a lot more to the QB's abilities than you think it does. Ideal makes them play actually better and gives boost to stats.

3. The mobile QB's that have been in the league a while: Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Tyrod Taylor all should get the Paranoid Sense Pressure Trait. Throw Ball Away needs to be turned OFF. You want them running, not throwing the ball away. Russell Wilson CLUTCH ON, the others turn it OFF.

If you give them Ideal they will play amazing. They're good QB's but we don't want them putting up Aaron Rodgers type numbers. By giving them Paranoid, they will take off running more.

4. The mediocre pocket passing or Balanced QB's: The Andrew Luck's, The Eli Manning's, The Sam Bradford's, etc. should probably get the Conservative Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away ON, Force Passes set to Conservative. Clutch set to your discretion. Eli Manning clutch is ON. Andrew Luck set it OFF. Bradford OFF, etc.

5. The rookie QB's, Sophmore QB's: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, DeShone Kizer, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes should probably get the Average Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, CLUTCH OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive for Rookies and Conservative for Sophmores.

6. Bad QB's: Trigger Happy or Oblivious Sense Pressure Trait, Throw Ball Away OFF, Clutch OFF, and Force Passes Aggressive.

This is not 100% tested yet, but I'm working on it. Let me know your thoughts. It's obviously not going to be a perfect working system as the issues lie within the code with EA but it's a bandaid.

[D81SKINS]

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Can we get a petition going, bring back Tuck & Run Traits for the CPU QB Ai!?!

[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

What boggles my mind is how well QB’s played on Madden 16.

It makes me want to go back to that game and play it again. But If I do.....I would probably shelve 18 now.

That’s how bad the CPU QB AI is right now.

I had a great game just today. Week 1 of my Dolphins CFM. 3-3 at halftime!!!

Final was 20-15 Dolphins.

Everything was fantastic, stats, flow, passing game, running game, defense, hard hits, flags.

Except one thing.

I sacked Winston 11 times. 11!!!!! All but one were from my AI teammates (6 from Cameron Wake).

Of those 11 sacks....8 of them were from Winston just sitting there like a statue waiting for vert routes to develop but were all covered.....instead of scrambling of moving out of the tackle box (pocket) and throwing the ball away like I would do....he takes sack, after sack, after sack.

It really kills the game. It is disgusting. And the worst part of it.....they knew about this on 17 and did absolutely nothing.....nothing about it.

Shame on me for being a total sucker.

I actually love the game. It does so many great things. But I am an offline franchise guy with all my sports games. This is a killer flaw......just a killer.

[bad_philanthropy]

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I haven't been able to get a response on twitter from the devs for the past two years on the issue.

Anyway, latest test I played against Cam. Default All-Pro Sim, unedited latest roster update, 12 minute quarters with accelerated clock on. Didn't call a single contain or spy him once. He was pretty effective throwing the ball in stretches, but he had a ton of opportunities to run. I was actively trying my best to give him incentive to take off.

I managed to cause a single scramble past the los (in the video below). While it was a decent result overall, I feel like the decision-making should have been fast and more dynamic. Also, what is with the glitchy indecisive run speed before Cam finally decides to go full-tilt?

Maybe that's what it is. QB ai is just not dynamic. It has a set pattern where it goes through every single progression and then it might run. I don't know.

Here's a clip of all of Cam's instances of movement in the game. The one scramble is the last clip in the reel.

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Here's a pic of his rushing stats line. Again, not one spy or contain called, and actively focusing on pass coverage. What would happen in a real NFL game if a defensive coordinator just ignored Cam's legs. Said, "let's not even consider him a runner?" I think it's fair to ask the question, in Madden on sim, should Cam ever play like this? Especially given the way he was defended? Are the devs aware of this? Is qb ai functioning as designed?

[Smallville102001]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

What boggles my mind is how well QB’s played on Madden 16.

It makes me want to go back to that game and play it again. But If I do.....I would probably shelve 18 now.

That’s how bad the CPU QB AI is right now.

I had a great game just today. Week 1 of my Dolphins CFM. 3-3 at halftime!!!

Final was 20-15 Dolphins.

Everything was fantastic, stats, flow, passing game, running game, defense, hard hits, flags.

Except one thing.

I sacked Winston 11 times. 11!!!!! All but one were from my AI teammates (6 from Cameron Wake).

Of those 11 sacks....8 of them were from Winston just sitting there like a statue waiting for vert routes to develop but were all covered.....instead of scrambling of moving out of the tackle box (pocket) and throwing the ball away like I would do....he takes sack, after sack, after sack.

It really kills the game. It is disgusting. And the worst part of it.....they knew about this on 17 and did absolutely nothing.....nothing about it.

Shame on me for being a total sucker.

I actually love the game. It does so many great things. But I am an offline franchise guy with all my sports games. This is a killer flaw......just a killer.

Was it really not a problem in 16? I don't have this game and I am not getting it in less the QB issue is fixed as it was a big issue I thought in 15-17 and sounds like 18 to. In 15 I would get about 10-12 sacks a game and it wasn't that I was getting to much pressure just that CPU wouldn't get rid of the ball on like 80% of those. 16-17 the sack issue was fixed but from what I remember both 17 and 16 CPU would never run the ball either. Am I wrong? Would the CPU QB run the ball in 16? Did that get messed up with a patch? Almost wondering if I should go back and get 16 lol. I don't have 16 any more traded it in for 17 when it came out. 16 was the only madden game I have liked in the last like 10 years. From like madden ps3 threw madden 25 the game was a joke it was so bad and then 15 was greatly improved but the CPU taking like 10-12 sacks a game killed it. 16 having that improved was great but I don't remember QB's scrambling in 16 either.

[schnaidt1]

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guys...i might have found something to help the sack issue...i haven't seen anyone else talk about this...if u are willing to help test this with me...please shoot me a message

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[Smallville102001]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

guys...i might have found something to help the sack issue...i haven't seen anyone else talk about this...if u are willing to help test this with me...please shoot me a message

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Don't have the game but still wondering what is your idea? What are you thinking/seeing?

[gr18]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Was it really not a problem in 16? I don't have this game and I am not getting it in less the QB issue is fixed as it was a big issue I thought in 15-17 and sounds like 18 to. In 15 I would get about 10-12 sacks a game and it wasn't that I was getting to much pressure just that CPU wouldn't get rid of the ball on like 80% of those. 16-17 the sack issue was fixed but from what I remember both 17 and 16 CPU would never run the ball either. Am I wrong? Would the CPU QB run the ball in 16? Did that get messed up with a patch? Almost wondering if I should go back and get 16 lol. I don't have 16 any more traded it in for 17 when it came out. 16 was the only madden game I have liked in the last like 10 years. From like madden ps3 threw madden 25 the game was a joke it was so bad and then 15 was greatly improved but the CPU taking like 10-12 sacks a game killed it. 16 having that improved was great but I don't remember QB's scrambling in 16 either.

As an offline player,I liked '17 in some aspects but the CPU qb AI made me go back to '16,which I have recently played alot of.

Yes,after the final patch anyway,which was sometime during that summer,the CPU qb did take off alot more than we've seen since.

[Smallville102001]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

As an offline player,I liked '17 in some aspects but the CPU qb AI made me go back to '16,which I have recently played alot of.

Yes,after the final patch anyway,which was sometime during that summer,the CPU qb did take off alot more than we've seen since.

So 16 QB IQ was better? I don't remember there being a difference at all with QB play in 16 or 17. Was 16 way better at scrambling then 17 before any patch then?

[phillyfan23]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Was it really not a problem in 16? I don't have this game and I am not getting it in less the QB issue is fixed as it was a big issue I thought in 15-17 and sounds like 18 to. In 15 I would get about 10-12 sacks a game and it wasn't that I was getting to much pressure just that CPU wouldn't get rid of the ball on like 80% of those. 16-17 the sack issue was fixed but from what I remember both 17 and 16 CPU would never run the ball either. Am I wrong? Would the CPU QB run the ball in 16? Did that get messed up with a patch? Almost wondering if I should go back and get 16 lol. I don't have 16 any more traded it in for 17 when it came out. 16 was the only madden game I have liked in the last like 10 years. From like madden ps3 threw madden 25 the game was a joke it was so bad and then 15 was greatly improved but the CPU taking like 10-12 sacks a game killed it. 16 having that improved was great but I don't remember QB's scrambling in 16 either.

I tested qbs such as cam, kapernick, wilson and they all had the ability to torch me on the ground. I still remember kaepernick broke a 35 yd td run with less than a minute to go to beat me. It was glorious...it made you think twice about sending a heavy blitz up the middle because those qbs could evade and hurt you with their feet.

Im not sure if a patch ruined that too but i remember shelving the game after a patch....it either made cpu qb too accurate or nerfed their running ability....both of which were excellent at launch


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[Smallville102001]

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I tested qbs such as cam, kapernick, wilson and they all had the ability to torch me on the ground. I still remember kaepernick broke a 35 yd td run with less than a minute to go to beat me. It was glorious...it made you think twice about sending a heavy blitz up the middle because those qbs could evade and hurt you with their feet.

Im not sure if a patch ruined that too but i remember shelving the game after a patch....it either made cpu qb too accurate or nerfed their running ability....both of which were excellent at launch


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Oh wow yeah I don't remember that at all. I know last year the like last patch or 2nd to last patch messed up QB accuracy way to much. Maybe I should get 16 and go completely patch less then lol.