Madden 18 and HDR

[UtahUtes32]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

Every time a new game comes, out, people complain about HDR. I think it's mostly in the expectations. The only game I know of where HDR was truly busted was this year's MLB The Show. I think the 'realism' that HDR adds is not what people are expecting. I personally prefer a visual look that is more saturated and brighter lights than what would be considered realistic.

People on AVS forums go nuts over HDR but to be totally frank I think a lot of it is psychological. The differences in most HDR content are very subtle. There have been a lot of times that I didn't even know if content was HDR until I compared it with non HDR version.

I compare nba 2k18 in HDR and Madden, and it's not even close. I can't disagree more about it being psychological... Nba 2k18's colors look amazing, Madden is washed out.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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I compare nba 2k18 in HDR and Madden, and it's not even close. I can't disagree more about it being psychological... Nba 2k18's colors look amazing, Madden is washed out.

The colors are in no way washed out. But each to their own.

[UtahUtes32]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

I understand the whole you can see HDR from a pic but it is the best way currently to try to distinguish the two.
This is Madden running in HDR Standard or Bright all I'm asking for is for me to be able to achieve this look on HDR Game Mode without sacrificing detail.

You know that LG (I think that's what you have) makes game mode darker in HDR, right? Rtings.com says they did that by design. I ended up staying in game mode because the input lag is so much better.

[UtahUtes32]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

The colors are in no way washed out. But each to their own.

When NON HDR looks better than HDR, we have a problem.. I'm not the only person saying this, but like you said: to each, their own.

[metallidevils]

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Ok. Dareal's pic looks good. I have a pretty high end Samsung ks8500, basically set in torch mode and still the greens in the field don't look anything like that pic. I tried different picture modes etc and nothing. For this particular game I did set Contrast and Brightness in the in game settings to "Highest" and it makes a slight difference from "Default". Slightly more vibrant and I'm happy with that. My field under those settings @ Pit, 1pm, clear look somewhere between both of your pics you've posted.

Also, I even Googled Madden 18 graphics and looked at all the images released by EA leading up to release and not a single field is that green, including Pit. I also looked back at the Photographic thread here on OS and not a single one of those stunning pics has a field that green.

So in conclusion, considering DaReals pic was taken off screen, I just believe it was the camera used that has it appear that green. Unless there is something to it...

I don't know if this has been answered but the field isn't supposed to be that green. You can turn the In game contrast to highest and your tv's dynamic constrast all the way up and you'll get an overly saturated picture.

[metallidevils]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

I compare nba 2k18 in HDR and Madden, and it's not even close. I can't disagree more about it being psychological... Nba 2k18's colors look amazing, Madden is washed out.

I'm talking about well calibrated HDR vs well calibrated SDR. Watch something from the YouTube hdr channel on an HDR source and then an SDR source. Sure it looks better but not by a lot

[metallidevils]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

Not at all. All I did was settle on the the default brightness, and bumped the contrast up +1 to "Higher". Game looks incredible on Xbox One S & Samsung KS8500.

Looking forward to Xbox One X as well!

I have the same in game settings. What's your tv's dynamic contrast set to?

[ODogg]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

When NON HDR looks better than HDR, we have a problem.. I'm not the only person saying this, but like you said: to each, their own.

The only problem is most people aren't used to the darker darks that HDR mode utilizes and they say it doesn't look as good because they like a much brighter picture. With HDR you will get a greater variance in contrast, from brighter brights to dingier and darker darks...people see dingy darks and think their picture is "messed up".

We see this with new technology all the time, when people get something different from what they expect they say it's hosed but they just are seeing something they're not expecting.

[CaptainFear]

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I have the same in game settings. What's your tv's dynamic contrast set to?

Dynamic contrast = High. I have backlight and contrast maxed by default on HDR material. Note, I do use a custom color source.
I did a lot of calibrating based off of Planet Earth 2 and 4K HDR vids on YouTube (Mainly HDR channel). Everything looks fantastic and meets my expectations and the definition of HDR. There are a couple of Xbox games that are an exception including Madden 18 imo, but I was mostly able to alleviate that by adjusting in game contrast to "Higher".

I believe its the way some games are coded, that's what I believe. Somebody on this thread claims that HDR doesn't really need any calibrating, he lost all credibility when he said that!

[Darth Aegis]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

You just have to find a setting your happy with let her rip.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

Ok. Dareal's pic looks good. I have a pretty high end Samsung ks8500, basically set in torch mode and still the greens in the field don't look anything like that pic. I tried different picture modes etc and nothing. For this particular game I did set Contrast and Brightness in the in game settings to "Highest" and it makes a slight difference from "Default". Slightly more vibrant and I'm happy with that. My field under those settings @ Pit, 1pm, clear look somewhere between both of your pics you've posted.

Also, I even Googled Madden 18 graphics and looked at all the images released by EA leading up to release and not a single field is that green, including Pit. I also looked back at the Photographic thread here on OS and not a single one of those stunning pics has a field that green.

So in conclusion, considering DaReals pic was taken off screen, I just believe it was the camera used that has it appear that green. Unless there is something to it...

The greens in that pic are highly inaccurate though? They're like neon green - that isn't what HDR is supposed to look like?

It's supposed to look natural - that's a grass field by the way.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

I understand the whole you can see HDR from a pic but it is the best way currently to try to distinguish the two.
This is Madden running in HDR Standard or Bright all I'm asking for is for me to be able to achieve this look on HDR Game Mode without sacrificing detail.

You're playing on an LG I'm assuming? You need to enable dynamic Contrast on HDR game mode as the tone mapping is different in that mode (you actually gain more detail in HDR game mode tbh). Just need to enable dynamic contrast on high - what set do you have?

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

You know that LG (I think that's what you have) makes game mode darker in HDR, right? Rtings.com says they did that by design. I ended up staying in game mode because the input lag is so much better.

You're supposed to enable dynamic contrast to high on LG oleds. This is by design as the tone mapping in HDR game mode is completely different than other HDR modes.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

Dynamic contrast = High. I have backlight and contrast maxed by default on HDR material. Note, I do use a custom color source.
I did a lot of calibrating based off of Planet Earth 2 and 4K HDR vids on YouTube (Mainly HDR channel). Everything looks fantastic and meets my expectations and the definition of HDR. There are a couple of Xbox games that are an exception including Madden 18 imo, but I was mostly able to alleviate that by adjusting in game contrast to "Higher".

I believe its the way some games are coded, that's what I believe. Somebody on this thread claims that HDR doesn't really need any calibrating, he lost all credibility when he said that!

You shouldn't be using PE2 or 4k HDR videos off YouTube to calibrate. I'm assuming you're eyeballing it? You need a meter to do that otherwise yes everything you touch outside of that video will be off.

Man no wonder your colors are so out of wack as you say.

[49UNCFan]

Re: Madden 18 and HDR

You're playing on an LG I'm assuming? You need to enable dynamic Contrast on HDR game mode as the tone mapping is different in that mode (you actually gain more detail in HDR game mode tbh). Just need to enable dynamic contrast on high - what set do you have?

It's not my settings or tv, its the game. This is HDR Game the pic enhances it and brightens it up some and makes it look great though. On my tv it's like a film or something. 20170920_221746.jpg