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  • Bdubb
    In Bill we trust
    • Dec 2011
    • 1014

    #181
    Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

    I've played Madden and NBA 2k for years. Let's not act like NBA 2k is some perfect game. The servers were awful this year, 2k refused to fix something like stat glitch in franchise are a couple ones off top of my head that bugged the crap out of me. Only knocks I can make when it comes to Madden is I wish franchise mode was as deep as 2ks and the ball can bounce around a tad goofy on deflections or dropped passes but gameplay whise overall h2h and offline it's been fun.

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    • buckeyezombie
      Rookie
      • Jul 2014
      • 317

      #182
      Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

      Fun thing about 2K is I can play any seasons, say the 2000-2001 with correct rosters. Create my own uniforms, logos. I can have a whole league with teams from Louisville, Nashville etc. With different looking arenas. Things i could get in NCAA 14. There's zero creativity in Madden, amd even MLB the Show, NHL at least tries. But that's why 2K is the best to me.

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      • slo0tpatrol
        Rookie
        • May 2014
        • 8

        #183
        Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

        Yeah, but did you all see the 2K20 MyCareer trailer? Well done Madden.

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        • CujoMatty
          Member of Rush Nation
          • Oct 2007
          • 5445

          #184
          Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

          Originally posted by Heisman
          Fair point. Not sure on the numbers, but with how many copies Madden sells those numbers should still turn a HUGE profit. Also if this is true then there is some truth to EA being greedy and lazy. A lot of features we have already had like the pro bowl and many people would just be happy with accurate, correct historial stats and a team/league history page.

          EA should be able to just patch some of this stuff in. It would be nice to have nfl coach vol 2 in franchise, but it’s the little that are neglected that has people upset.
          This article is from 2017 so I’m sure the numbers have increased.



          I’m not mad at EA or one of those people that hate on EA for pretty much everything in fact I’m a huge fan of their games but any talk of “they don’t have enough resources” or “it costs too much” aren’t valid excuses when ultimate team revenues alone are $800 million.

          They could have a bigger development team or have more than enough resources, they just choose not to.
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          • GoJags904
            Pro
            • Aug 2014
            • 773

            #185
            Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

            No competition is why EA takes their time. We think of it as bad business but when they continue to squeeze out money, they could care less. No matter if the devs scream to the rooftops, suits will suit and get paid. Devs literally have to go against what they are allowed to do and give us some of what we want and risk firing, or hoping profits help them stay employed.

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            • roadman
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              • Aug 2003
              • 26339

              #186
              Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

              Originally posted by CujoMatty
              This article is from 2017 so I’m sure the numbers have increased.



              I’m not mad at EA or one of those people that hate on EA for pretty much everything in fact I’m a huge fan of their games but any talk of “they don’t have enough resources” or “it costs too much” aren’t valid excuses when ultimate team revenues alone are $800 million.

              They could have a bigger development team or have more than enough resources, they just choose not to.
              Will hiring more developers help the situation when we all know the major decisions are coming from marketing and the higher ups?

              Plus, EA Tibs and EA as whole laid off employees in the spring.

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              • slo0tpatrol
                Rookie
                • May 2014
                • 8

                #187
                Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                Originally posted by roadman
                Will hiring more developers help the situation when we all know the major decisions are coming from marketing and the higher ups?

                Plus, EA Tibs and EA as whole laid off employees in the spring.
                Does EA have that bad of a company culture that they suppress the creativity of developers? I highly doubt Take-Two comes down on 2K or Rockstar telling them what they can and cannot do, especially when 2K and Rockstar are cash cows and continually set the bar when it comes to their genre.

                2K knows Live isn't even in the conversation and still improves its product every year. The only knock is the reliance on VC, which it seems they're making a less important factor for 2K20.

                If we're sticking with EA, NHL has improved yearly with a smaller team. FIFA continually makes improvements. It's just sad as a consumer that EA craps out the same Madden every year with a roster update and a shiny new(old) returning feature, instead of innovating like 2k has.

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                • TheOncomingStorm
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 437

                  #188
                  Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                  Originally posted by slo0tpatrol
                  Does EA have that bad of a company culture that they suppress the creativity of developers? I highly doubt Take-Two comes down on 2K or Rockstar telling them what they can and cannot do, especially when 2K and Rockstar are cash cows and continually set the bar when it comes to their genre.
                  EA doesn't view it as suppressing the creativity of developers. They view their process as making games accessible to the largest possible audience, to make the most possible money, as quickly as possible. And that takes priority over creativity.

                  Battlefront was dumbed down and rushed to release, widely disliked. Battlefront 2, better mechanically but lootboxed so bad supposedly Disney got involved. Battlefield 4 was fundamentally broken on release, and Battlefield V was missing half it's content because it was rushed out the door. Anthem just stumbled out of the gate because it was trying so hard to be a Destiny clone with maximum profitability that they forgot to write a story, or characters, and Anthem is dead on arrival. NBA Live has been piss poor after every relaunch.

                  And it's a wider problem in the industry. For example how Activision gutted Destiny during production, or Konami kicks Kojima out the door, or Bethesda slapping together the poor excuse of a beta called Fallout 76.

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                  • triggerfish1976
                    Rookie
                    • May 2010
                    • 43

                    #189
                    Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                    What was the last EA game that was a contender for game of the year?

                    I looked back 5 years using 'Best EA games' in my google search and I didn't see a single game that I would consider to be anything groundbreaking or even original. They're main releases are franchise games and those games are the type that are designed to attract the mass consumer. Sims, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, UFC, Star Wars and nothing original or new except for Unravel.

                    EA doesn't take chances, their decision making revolves around maximizing profitability and minimizing investment.

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                    • CujoMatty
                      Member of Rush Nation
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 5445

                      #190
                      Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                      Originally posted by triggerfish1976
                      What was the last EA game that was a contender for game of the year?

                      I looked back 5 years using 'Best EA games' in my google search and I didn't see a single game that I would consider to be anything groundbreaking or even original. They're main releases are franchise games and those games are the type that are designed to attract the mass consumer. Sims, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, UFC, Star Wars and nothing original or new except for Unravel.

                      EA doesn't take chances, their decision making revolves around maximizing profitability and minimizing investment.
                      It sure would seem that way. Roadman pointed out they laid off employees even though financially their gross margin is over 70 percent. That’s the epitome of minimizing investment.
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                      • Zmurkz
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                        • Oct 2011
                        • 91

                        #191
                        Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                        Imo, theres a big factor a lot of people dont talk about (although I haven't read all the replies in this thread).

                        Look at FIFA and PES (or whatever PES is called now). FIFA is the more arcadey less realistic form of a football game. PES is renowned for its more realistic simulation feel, tactics and gameplay.

                        EA makes FIFA. EA also makes Madden. Madden is the arcadey more gamey version of Football. EA in their entire history of soccer and football games has never or never will be a developer that focuses on that super intense simulation style. The big difference is that 2K or whoever cant make a football game to compete but even if they could, EA wouldn't be changing anything. What a lot of people want here wont ever happen from Madden. You need a PES or 2K equivalent where the entire games core revolves around the simulation aspect.

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                        • ODogg
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 37953

                          #192
                          Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                          Originally posted by Zmurkz
                          Imo, theres a big factor a lot of people dont talk about (although I haven't read all the replies in this thread).



                          Look at FIFA and PES (or whatever PES is called now). FIFA is the more arcadey less realistic form of a football game. PES is renowned for its more realistic simulation feel, tactics and gameplay.



                          EA makes FIFA. EA also makes Madden. Madden is the arcadey more gamey version of Football. EA in their entire history of soccer and football games has never or never will be a developer that focuses on that super intense simulation style. The big difference is that 2K or whoever cant make a football game to compete but even if they could, EA wouldn't be changing anything. What a lot of people want here wont ever happen from Madden. You need a PES or 2K equivalent where the entire games core revolves around the simulation aspect.


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                          • GisherJohn24
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 4600

                            #193
                            Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                            I've been playing both games since the beginning, I will just simply say, both franchises are guilty of being money hungry and no competition. (No Live, is not competition guys).

                            2k and even Madden on the older consoles had a different mindset, making the game fun. I don't have that ooh and ahh factor playing 2k19 like I did back on 2k11, 12, 13, 14etc and I had a more wow factor playing Madden 10, 11 and 12 more than I do with Madden 20...

                            Both 2K and madden need to look at what truly made the fans love the game back in the day, and go back to the roots. And not focus on the $.

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                            • tril
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 2914

                              #194
                              Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                              major difference between NBA2k, The SHow, and EA Madden is the ability to customize ones gaming experience.

                              Madden locks us into the way they want us to play. 2k gives the user every option from the number of game-play sliders, gameplay set up, franchise set up etc, global roster editor etc.

                              Madden has given us the same sliders and set up for this entire console cycle. they never expanded them. you figure that with the known issues with coverage that they seem to have every year, they would expand the coverage sliders.
                              why not give us a zone coverage slider, goaline defense slider, break it down even further. pass coverage sliders for short, medium and deep throws.

                              they still set up their stats simulator on a number of plays basis/teams prior average.
                              one cant even customize their experience for shorter games, all otehr games gives us thes eoptions.

                              MLB The Show- if I want to play 3 innings, I can set up an entire franchise mode to reflect 3 innings.
                              NBA2k - if I want to play 24 minute games, I can set up my entire franchise to reflect this.
                              NFL2k5- even provided a similar option

                              these little things keeps the gamer totally immersed. Madden does not do this unless you play the game their way.

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                              • GisherJohn24
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 4600

                                #195
                                Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                                Originally posted by tril
                                major difference between NBA2k, The SHow, and EA Madden is the ability to customize ones gaming experience.

                                Madden locks us into the way they want us to play. 2k gives the user every option from the number of game-play sliders, gameplay set up, franchise set up etc, global roster editor etc.

                                Madden has given us the same sliders and set up for this entire console cycle. they never expanded them. you figure that with the known issues with coverage that they seem to have every year, they would expand the coverage sliders.
                                why not give us a zone coverage slider, goaline defense slider, break it down even further. pass coverage sliders for short, medium and deep throws.

                                they still set up their stats simulator on a number of plays basis/teams prior average.
                                one cant even customize their experience for shorter games, all otehr games gives us thes eoptions.

                                MLB The Show- if I want to play 3 innings, I can set up an entire franchise mode to reflect 3 innings.
                                NBA2k - if I want to play 24 minute games, I can set up my entire franchise to reflect this.
                                NFL2k5- even provided a similar option

                                these little things keeps the gamer totally immersed. Madden does not do this unless you play the game their way.
                                i agree with you on this. I guess if Madden does something like that, is let's you play offense or defense in a game on a franchise game to speed thigns up a bit. Not to mention you can sim plays till the end of the game.

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