I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

[SituationSoap]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I kind of feel like we're having two different threads, here. One is the "I'm throwing a boatload of interceptions" conversation. The other is "the interceptions I'm throwing are wildly unrealistic" conversation.

Those two have some crossover. You're going to throw fewer picks if you throw to safety routes, yes. But safety routes aren't magically immune from ridiculous plays by defenders, and there's a key problem right now that effectively every ball that a defender gets a hand on turns into an interception.

EA put a lot of marketing into new WR/DB interactions that play out dynamically, and I have effectively seen none of these in something like 6 or 7 games because when I throw the ball, it's either to a receiver who is wide open, or it's a defensive back jumping a route and making an interception on the fly. Even in a context where throwing a jump ball makes sense (Chase Claypool 1-1, for instance), I'm either getting an uncontested catch or it's an interception. There's no jockeying or contact, it's just one clear outcome or the other, nothing in between.

I think it's kind of important not to lose that there's a real issue here where the game is playing way differently than it seems like it's intended. NFL throwing windows are supposed to be small. If the intended way to pass is to never throw the ball to someone who's even vaguely covered, well that's how you go 25-26 for 480 yards and 5 TDs every game, where the incompletion is either a throwaway or a pick when you forced a bad pass. That isn't how the game should play! I should be able to throw to a guy in man coverage who has two steps on his defender and not have the outcome be either my guy catching it or their guy catching it. Right now, that's not happening. It's a real problem.

[m29a]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

No other game fanbase is like this

This isn't true, as someone who has spent too much time on various subreddits/forums for some of the most popular games. Plenty of people tend to overestimate their own abilities and seek out excuses for why things don't end up like they want and blame the game. You can honestly see it all the time in any team based competitive games where people rarely evaluate their own mistakes and only pay attention to teammate flaws.

[GoJags904]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I kind of feel like we're having two different threads, here. One is the "I'm throwing a boatload of interceptions" conversation. The other is "the interceptions I'm throwing are wildly unrealistic" conversation.

Those two have some crossover. You're going to throw fewer picks if you throw to safety routes, yes. But safety routes aren't magically immune from ridiculous plays by defenders, and there's a key problem right now that effectively every ball that a defender gets a hand on turns into an interception.

EA put a lot of marketing into new WR/DB interactions that play out dynamically, and I have effectively seen none of these in something like 6 or 7 games because when I throw the ball, it's either to a receiver who is wide open, or it's a defensive back jumping a route and making an interception on the fly. Even in a context where throwing a jump ball makes sense (Chase Claypool 1-1, for instance), I'm either getting an uncontested catch or it's an interception. There's no jockeying or contact, it's just one clear outcome or the other, nothing in between.

I think it's kind of important not to lose that there's a real issue here where the game is playing way differently than it seems like it's intended. NFL throwing windows are supposed to be small. If the intended way to pass is to never throw the ball to someone who's even vaguely covered, well that's how you go 25-26 for 480 yards and 5 TDs every game, where the incompletion is either a throwaway or a pick when you forced a bad pass. That isn't how the game should play! I should be able to throw to a guy in man coverage who has two steps on his defender and not have the outcome be either my guy catching it or their guy catching it. Right now, that's not happening. It's a real problem.

U hit the nail on the head. The animations are not playing out NFL-esque. Small windows are the norm for NFL standards with, as I said in another post, big plays sprinkled in due to the chess match or run heavy before pass etc. Whats lost, imo, is the reality that EA does not replicate this well. They "boost" dbs to play tight an pick almost everything mixed with sped up animations to do so at times, while not increasing the user AI WR to do the same.

This is not a fix but is being excused by others who feel its the best they(ea) can do, or best they have done, so it is too good to change and or go back to before if they can't do better. Players also have that ego that needs to be checked on both good an bad sides, but in the context of realism, these interactions are far from it. it's a game will be thrown around instead of accepting that fact. Someone said post videos. After my lil vacation I will obliged for those in denial.

Madden has thrown us a little seasoning on franchise this year so I can't knock the improvements here and there. It's just lost in space on alot of folks what realism should or shouldn't be. Too many folks feel any change EA makes that feels hard or challenging must mean it works realistically when sadly that is not the case. That's sounds more like wanting to find a way to cheese the system since the game doesn't play true to life so they can feel victorious or like they have better NFL intellect than others lol. Sadly neither them or EA understands how the NFL really works

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[ODogg]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Yeah but this is on PC. Isn’t that the old gen game engine? I think people are having problems on the next gen version. Not being disrespectful, just asking

You are correct, I've seen it many times on PS5 though. I'm actually surprised they did that on the PC because in my view they really weren't doing anything with the PC version much of note.

To be frank, I wouldn't even have bought the PC version but I get it as part of my EA PLAY PRO subscription. I'm pretty impressed with the game though on there, it's pretty good esp since they haven't updated it to Fieldsense and added the other things they have for PS5 and XSX

[JayD]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I believe EA is trying to force people to USER everything.

[ODogg]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Very good post. There are many safer throws out there that need to be utilized out of necessity now, which is great because they're called for that exact reason in the real NFL as well. Gone are the days of calling slants and throwing when the guy is on the opposite side of the field. If it isn't there initially, then like in real life you need to dump it off, throw it away, or get to running.

Safety valves, safety valves, safety valves. Use them. Make your 2-3 reads on the pass play immediately and if they aren't there, hit the flats route or the drag route. That's literally what they are there for.

You should know pre-snap what defenders/routes you are watching, and you should know by the time you finish the drop back if the throw is there or if you are dumping it off. I know, that sounds cliche a bit, but it has never been the case in Madden before and many players won't actually be used to QB'ing this way. You need to now.

If you're TE is running a corner route, you should know before he breaks if you're throwing his way or not, and if not, you're likely dumping it off. You should know if you're throwing the streak before the WR is even 7 yards downfield. You can't watch and see if he gets open, you have to be able to read if it looks like he should get enough space to throw it.

In past Maddens it was very easy to QB by just waiting til someone was open and throwing it. It always made me puke, but I've seen so many people rely on calling slants and throwing them 4 seconds later 20 yards down the field. I've seen, and been guilty of it plenty of times, people throw the streak route once the WR is open and 25+ yards down the field, and you'd get away with it because defenses were so poorly played in the past and throw speeds were crazy. You can't really do that in Madden 23.

The easiest way to put it is that the ball should be getting to the receiver as they get open.

Too many people, including myself, are used to throwing once the WR is open because that's how Madden has allowed you to play for years.

I don't think I could have said it any better. Well stated sir! Everyone needs to read and heed this post.

[jfsolo]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

This isn't true, as someone who has spent too much time on various subreddits/forums for some of the most popular games. Plenty of people tend to overestimate their own abilities and seek out excuses for why things don't end up like they want and blame the game. You can honestly see it all the time in any team based competitive games where people rarely evaluate their own mistakes and only pay attention to teammate flaws.

It's interesting that that there is always this underlying attitude with Madden, where those who say that "X is broken" are simply right and those who say it isn't are caping for the game.

Folks say that they don't see something that I see 10 times a game, oh well, it's the nature of sports video games discussions I guess.

[ODogg]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

It's interesting that that there is always this underlying attitude with Madden, where those who say that "X is broken" are simply right and those who say it isn't are caping for the game.

Folks say that they don't see something that I see 10 times a game, oh well, it's the nature of sports video games discussions I guess.

That's because football is subjective and each of us have a different idea in our heads as to what football should be like when it's replicated.

That is why no matter what EA does there will always be complaints, and many of them valid simply because the user has a different perspective on how a game that is simulating football, or trying to, should play.

Now that doesn't give EA a pass, no sir, but I take a lot of complaints I see on here with a huge grain of salt.

People overreact way too much and fail to wait to see if something is an ONGOING issue rather than just accepting it may be how the game played out.

Example, AI QBs don't scramble, it's broken! I played Lamar and he only ran 5 times for 18 yards!

*OR*.......and hear me out...sometimes Lamar himself has games where he doesn't do much. So go play more. If the AI QBs don't scramble worth a darn at all after 25 games or so, then you may be on to something.

This is always going to be part of Madden, user perception. We have to realize that.

I'll say it again: Football is subjective in ones perception of how it should look. .

[sniperhare]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

It’s weird.. I swear CPU WRs and DBs attack the ball while the USER WRs and DBs won’t attack the ball.

I think that's the only way the Devs can program for difficulty.

Make it harder for you and easier for the CPU.

It's why you only ever see the CPU throw INT's and they always have 75% completion percentage.

[Dagan]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Okay. First thing's first. Merry Madden Day. Also, I finally upgraded. I did the Xbox series S. I dig it a lot. Madden was installed by 2am last night. I set up my sliders that have served me well for about 6 years so far. Nope. I immediately saw the interception fest that you are all talking about. Now, I was completing passes in my usual fashion, dinks and dunks and slants and hard flats. As soon as I took deep shots or into any kind of traffic at all, it was picked. These aren't tips and recovers. These are straight up, defender comes out of nowhere and comfortably catches the ball and proceeds to be absolutely ready to run it back for a score. Every single time.

BUT. I figured it out. I have only done play now games, too. Still, even though I tweaked sliders way low, I don't think anything made a difference until "in game" I went back into settings and found out that my settings weren't taking like they should be. I turned off Defensive Assist, Ball Hawk, etc. All of that auto defense stuff. I turned it all off. FINALLY, that ended the Interception festival. It was still tough, though. I played against the Cowboys, and Trevon Diggs made me pay for a chance throw his way. But anyway, my stats went from a 15 of 27, 189 yds, 0 TD, 7 INT. to 17 of 25, 256 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT.

I'm going to test this all again when home, as I want to start a francise. I hope that in franchise my settings stick. If not, I at least know of a work around. Definitely others of you please try this and see if I just got lucky.

[xCoachDx]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I believe EA is trying to force people to USER everything.

Yeah I am so used to not switching to my DB/WR (house rule) but when I started making myself user, it was a bit more enjoyable.

Not gonna lie, the goods have been outweighing the bad for the most part. I’ve had games (only done play now) where I’d get absolutely killed, but then run it back and win on the second try.

The game is so far from perfect, but I’d be full of crap if I said i haven’t had the itch to get back to playing every day. I just wish the “bad” plays didn’t look REALLY bad like they do sometimes.

[YaBarber]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I kind of feel like we're having two different threads, here. One is the "I'm throwing a boatload of interceptions" conversation. The other is "the interceptions I'm throwing are wildly unrealistic" conversation.

Those two have some crossover. You're going to throw fewer picks if you throw to safety routes, yes. But safety routes aren't magically immune from ridiculous plays by defenders, and there's a key problem right now that effectively every ball that a defender gets a hand on turns into an interception.

EA put a lot of marketing into new WR/DB interactions that play out dynamically, and I have effectively seen none of these in something like 6 or 7 games because when I throw the ball, it's either to a receiver who is wide open, or it's a defensive back jumping a route and making an interception on the fly. Even in a context where throwing a jump ball makes sense (Chase Claypool 1-1, for instance), I'm either getting an uncontested catch or it's an interception. There's no jockeying or contact, it's just one clear outcome or the other, nothing in between.

I think it's kind of important not to lose that there's a real issue here where the game is playing way differently than it seems like it's intended. NFL throwing windows are supposed to be small. If the intended way to pass is to never throw the ball to someone who's even vaguely covered, well that's how you go 25-26 for 480 yards and 5 TDs every game, where the incompletion is either a throwaway or a pick when you forced a bad pass. That isn't how the game should play! I should be able to throw to a guy in man coverage who has two steps on his defender and not have the outcome be either my guy catching it or their guy catching it. Right now, that's not happening. It's a real problem.

Thank you for explaining it perfectly for the rest of the thread. It's been an issue in Madden for years. There's a certain crowd that thinks incomplete passes that aren't touched by anybody is "silly", when in reality there's a ton of incomplete passes at any level of football that isn't directly in contact with the intended receiver or a defender. But in Madden, everything has to have a direct result which is why we see such a high # of turnovers every game no matter what mode it is.

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I've been purposely playing Face of the Franchise because I don't want to start Franchise Mode until Week 1 rosters come out. I also wanted to see how my AI teammates played when it came to running, blocking, and catching. Lastly I want to get my QB skills up using skilled based passing before I start my real franchise. Speaking within the context of the OP according to my 5 game experience as a QB in FOTF:


1) If you're late on your throws you're toast. If you make the wrong reads you're toast. If you hold the ball too long you're toast. The CPU will make you pay.

2) I'm finding success by staying in the pocket, throwing on time, and using the freeform passing to throw my receivers open.

3) Setting my receivers Deep Pass and Short/Possession Pass to Aggressive does just that...it makes my AI teammates go after the ball aggressively.

4) Between the 4 Preseason games and 1 Regular season game, I can say in all honesty that every single interception I've thrown has been on me. I've been able to make some beautiful throws; but just as I stated in point #1, whenever I've been late or made the wrong read the AI made me pay.

So, I'm not saying that WR aggression doesn't need to be tuned; but what I am saying is that at least for me, I need to get better at this game lol. I say that while understanding fully that someone else's experience may not be like mine.

ETA

One thing that free form passing allows you to do is give up on the play if nothing is there. What I mean by that is with you being able to place the ball essentially wherever you please, you can try and throw it to where either your guy can catch it or nobody can at all. You can throw it at their feet. You can throw it so far away from your guy or even sky it out of bounds if you like to keep from forcing it or throwing a pic because the ball is tether to the route. Those things are at our disposal.

[kiddlex]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I kind of feel like we're having two different threads, here. One is the "I'm throwing a boatload of interceptions" conversation. The other is "the interceptions I'm throwing are wildly unrealistic" conversation.

Those two have some crossover. You're going to throw fewer picks if you throw to safety routes, yes. But safety routes aren't magically immune from ridiculous plays by defenders, and there's a key problem right now that effectively every ball that a defender gets a hand on turns into an interception.

EA put a lot of marketing into new WR/DB interactions that play out dynamically, and I have effectively seen none of these in something like 6 or 7 games because when I throw the ball, it's either to a receiver who is wide open, or it's a defensive back jumping a route and making an interception on the fly. Even in a context where throwing a jump ball makes sense (Chase Claypool 1-1, for instance), I'm either getting an uncontested catch or it's an interception. There's no jockeying or contact, it's just one clear outcome or the other, nothing in between.

I think it's kind of important not to lose that there's a real issue here where the game is playing way differently than it seems like it's intended. NFL throwing windows are supposed to be small. If the intended way to pass is to never throw the ball to someone who's even vaguely covered, well that's how you go 25-26 for 480 yards and 5 TDs every game, where the incompletion is either a throwaway or a pick when you forced a bad pass. That isn't how the game should play! I should be able to throw to a guy in man coverage who has two steps on his defender and not have the outcome be either my guy catching it or their guy catching it. Right now, that's not happening. It's a real problem.

Great post - you nailed it.


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[Instant C1a55ic]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Sully question, but has anyone tried setting the sliders from the main menu as well?

I do recall there being years where sliders didn't take if the main menu sliders were not the same.

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