Madden NFL 10 Blog: A Deeper Look Into Pass Blocking

[Valdarez]

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I knew I wasn't crazy.

No man. You are still crazy, but that's a different story.

The biggest thing for a QB when scrambling in APF2K8 is getting your shoulders set. The QB is going to throw better when running at a consistent speed, not when they are accelerating, decelerating, or making a cut/turn, because their shoulders typically aren't as square. It's a pretty amazing system for determining a quarterback's throwing accuracy.

[Rocky]

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That's good to hear; this is what will really bury the roll and chuck. If the the QB is penalized for throwing while sprinting and/or off of their back foot, players will be wise to stay in the pocket, so the QB can set his feet and throw.

I don't think it will. What cheesers do right now in Madden is roll out the pocket, set their shoulders, and throw passes with Tom Brady like accuracy.

Of course, nothing would be wrong with this if they couldn't virtually do it at will. The bottom line is that as long as the QB turn, move, and sprint faster than the DE gets off his animations.......roll and chuck will live to see another day.

[TombSong]

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No man. You are still crazy, but that's a different story.

The biggest thing for a QB when scrambling in APF2K8 is getting your shoulders set. The QB is going to throw better when running at a consistent speed, not when they are accelerating, decelerating, or making a cut/turn, because their shoulders typically aren't as square. It's a pretty amazing system for determining a quarterback's throwing accuracy.

Right, because what QB on the planet can throw at top speed ? No one in the world can throw with a good degree of accuracy or distance while they are sprinting(accelerating). Your feet have to be set to get some mustard on the ball. Any pass over 20 yards while running is going to be a duck, even for peyton manning.

2K has it right. You can sprint to a spot but to throw with accuracy you have to set your feet. Stabler/Cunningham/Elway and a few others can make throws while you are rolling out with accuracy but they also lose distance on how far they can throw.

[roadman]

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You mean Madden might actually have a pocket this year? Doubtful

95% of Madden players roll out the nonexistent pocket and bomb it downfield.

That is the standard for playing Madden.

As Valderez stated, APF 2K8 has it spot on.

You want sim football? Purchase APF 2K8

You want fake, glitchy football that blinds the consumer with NFL teams and logos, purchase Madden.

Which do you choose?

Thanks for the sound advice. I'll take it under advisement.

[kwas676]

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You mean Madden might actually have a pocket this year? Doubtful

95% of Madden players roll out the nonexistent pocket and bomb it downfield.

That is the standard for playing Madden.

As Valderez stated, APF 2K8 has it spot on.

You want sim football? Purchase APF 2K8

You want fake, glitchy football that blinds the consumer with NFL teams and logos, purchase Madden.

Which do you choose?

PLZ PEOPLE I KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADING DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME JUST MOVE ON.

[grunt]

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Good stuff for Maddden o-line blocking but I kind of disagree with the 2k critique. I have seen de peel off their blocks and make sacks. I love o line play and I play with gold/silver/ and bronze o linemen and I observed more randomness than here is the long animation.

[Rocky]

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Right, because what QB on the planet can throw at top speed ? No one in the world can throw with a good degree of accuracy or distance while they are sprinting(accelerating). Your feet have to be set to get some mustard on the ball. Any pass over 20 yards while running is going to be a duck, even for peyton manning.

2K has it right. You can sprint to a spot but to throw with accuracy you have to set your feet. Stabler/Cunningham/Elway and a few others can make throws while you are rolling out with accuracy but they also lose distance on how far they can throw.

Last gen Madden had it right too. The greatest Madden game ever--Madden 2003 had the sprint button as a icon for the WR and it was difficult to roll and chuck or go back 20 yards and throw.

Then came the abysmal called Madden 2004.

[spankdatazz22]

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Last gen Madden had it right too. The greatest Madden game ever--Madden 2003 had the sprint button as a icon for the WR and it was difficult to roll and chuck or go back 20 yards and throw.

Then came the abysmal called Madden 2004.

Agree wholeheartedly

[RogueHominid]

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I liked the footage of the DE/OT engagement. I love APF's system, but this one looks even more active and dynamic than that. The individual engagements are looking really nice and are a great extension of the Pro-Tak tech.!

What I really want to see, though, is evidence that the whole works as well as the sum of the parts. We're getting very partial views of passing "pockets" thus far. What 2K was able to do was create the whole entity with realistic integrity, breakdown, and interaction every single play. I want to see whether or not Madden can create an entire, dynamic, and realistic pocket with this tech, or whether it's just going to give us very pretty and very dynamic individual shots.

Not that those two options are mutually exclusive, but I wonder if OL will have the awareness to double and pass off, backs to help out, and the OL as a whole to form, or attempt to form, a genuine pocket.

[SageInfinite]

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Getting closer to release I'd love Ian to do a blog and show how the cheesy maneuvers are non-existent now, if they really are. Showing maybe the qb sneak being ineffective, full back dive, roll and chuck ect.

[NYG 5]

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^^ lol, is that ice la fox?

i'm loving the way the linemen are using their hands, looks great.
but i also hope they fix the way the cpu defensive line always creates more pressure than your offensive line. even if you had the 1980s eagles defensive line, you would always have to blitz to get pressure while the cpu can use the 2008 chiefs and instantly take you down with a 4 man rush

[SageInfinite]

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^^ lol, is that ice la fox?

Yezzir

[Tito78]

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I don't think it will. What cheesers do right now in Madden is roll out the pocket, set their shoulders, and throw passes with Tom Brady like accuracy.

Of course, nothing would be wrong with this if they couldn't virtually do it at will. The bottom line is that as long as the QB turn, move, and sprint faster than the DE gets off his animations.......roll and chuck will live to see another day.

Nah, I think it will; the reason the roll and chuck exists is because essentially, QBs(in madden 09) are able to throw the ball as deep and accurate while sprinting, as they can while stationary(with their feet set). The fact that DE's also failed stay on the oustide shoulder of the OT and attempt to get up field contributed to the success of the rolling chuck; ultimately the super human throwing ability or lack of accuracy penalties while sprinting are what allowed the "roll and chuck" to thrive.

[LBzrule]

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You can roll and chuck in 2k8 too, if you do it from the shotgun and have a gold QB. This is the mistake that Madden 10 cannot make. This is why I keep saying it and will keep saying it. That pocket has got to set up faster. 2k8 had a pocket and it mattered when the QB was under center, but it did not matter much when he was in the gun. All you had to do is hike it, move the stick so the QB would not move. The DE's would go right into the tackles leaving the outside wide open. It is especially evident on the 2 back shotgun sets.

Tombsong you know the play I do this with too. Shotgun 2 back 50 X Cross I believe or Y cross. I send the WR opposite of the crossing route on a streak to clear it out for the crossing route coming underneath. Every time I've run that play against anyone, I'm rolling to the right and I had a high completion percentage on that play. And this is with a pocket. So to me, it does not matter that you simply have a pocket. This thing has gotta set up with speed and the DE's and OLB's have got to run the arc to stop the easy going outside by the QB.

I'd prefer it that the DE's/OLB's when they are running the arc to be 1 step away from the QB as he bounces off of his heels from the drop. When the QB is in the gun and if he does not drop, I'd still prefer the DE's and OLB's to stay on that arc. Do not engage the tackles simply because the QB does not move backwards. They need to stay outside so that you have to wait longer if you want to try to get outside. But the longer you wait the worse things will be for you when you attempt to move.

[Captain Obvious]

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Tombsong you know the play I do this with too. Shotgun 2 back 50 X Cross I believe or Y cross. I send the WR opposite of the crossing route on a streak to clear it out for the crossing route coming underneath. Every time I've run that play against anyone, I'm rolling to the right and I had a high completion percentage on that play. And this is with a pocket. So to me, it does not matter that you simply have a pocket. This thing has gotta set up with speed and the DE's and OLB's have got to run the arc to stop the easy going outside by the QB.

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YO! that play was sick, i loved it, always bailed me out cause you had alot of options. but all is good cause ian already posted somewhere that hes working on getting the pocket set up faster. its gonna be sick

*throws up*