Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

[Bgamer90]

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3. I am saying that this was borderline false advertisement. This style game play and presentation is not even in 2010. Much less 2006. You tell me this wasent made to look like in game footage.

I see what you are saying but I always thought of that vid as "this is how madden can be on next gen consoles" and not that that was how madden 06 was going to be so I didn't feel like I was being lied to. Also, I doubt that people working on madden 10 had a huge part in making that vid. It seemed like something that the marketing team had more of a part in.

***Edit: oops, thought you were talking about the madden next gen trailer that many people assumed was how madden 06 was going to be. But still again, I'm more than positive that the marketing team had more of a part in making the trailer.
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4. Again, Im not buying that line. If the game can be totally ground up different in a matter of weeks, where has that progress been the last 4 years?

I never said anything about being ground up, all I said was that I expect a form of improvement. Also, you can't base how things were in previous years this gen of madden on how things will be this time around in terms of improvements being made from build to build since there's different people in different positions working on the game. I mean the amount of effort put into madden 10 is much more than the previous maddens this gen and that should be pretty obvious to anyone.

5. Your typing words in my threads. I never said flawless, I just want NFL football respected. I dont want my backup WR to play as good as my starter. I want the ratings to mean something. I want elite players to play like elite players, I want free agents to come on and play like a free agent.

Actually you said "they still can't show us a game without errors" which meant (at least to me) that you wanted a flawless game.

Anyways... I'm more than positive that ratings will mean something. People that have played the game feel the difference and the ratings are more broad then they've ever been in any madden.

[Bgamer90]

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"Older build, older build, older build"......that's all I hear around here. Pathetic.

Why is it when it's true?

[RyanMoody21]

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Bottomline, if the game tells a player to do something (based on his attributes) no matter how unrealistic it is physically, it will be done. That tells me all I need to know. It explains every video Apex or I have ever made about physics before and after M10.

If the game wants a big hit you get a big hit, doesn't matter if you just tried to deflect a pass. If the game says make the tackle, you will make the tackle. Doesn't matter if a blocker is infront of you or not.

I said this last week, Apex used it today. Ill say it again. Thats not football...thats a slot machine. I control one player on the field, the games animations have more control over the outcome of a game than me. Put your "stick skills" and "Madden IQ" in the trash, they mean nothing.

Im not saying animations dont drive every other football game, but not to the drastic , unrealisitc, robotic like way they do Madden. It was already made clear the some of the position animations are to the limit and no more can be added.

[OSUFan_88]

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This will be the first Madden game I've owned since 05 and it'll probably be a first day buy for me as well.

I have great faith in what Ian is doing right now and how this game is forming up. For the next 3 to 4 years, I'm looking forward to one of them being the G.O.A.T as far as football and probably sports games go.

[RyanMoody21]

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Actually you said "they still can't show us a game without errors" which meant (at least to me) that you wanted a flawless game.

You need to re-read my post, maybe even modify your own. You have taken that 150% out of context.

I was speaking strictly regarding promotional materials that they have total creative control over. Again, they can not show us a flawless game with 2010. In the quarter by quarter, Super Bowl and many other videos the games flaws (even at speed) are exposed. That Madden 06 promo is a huge part of the reason EA lost my trust from a consumer standpoint.

Im telling you right now, if I can see them at speed your handing guys like Apex and myself a loaded gun in slow motion.

[Bgamer90]

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I control one player on the field, the games animations have more control over the outcome of a game than me. Put your "stick skills" and "Madden IQ" in the trash, they mean nothing.

This goes back to the thread we had here earlier.

Like at which point do you let the person playing play how they want.... it's a hard thing to balance. As a whole I want great animations with great control. I don't want to get completely stuck in an animation, I want some control over what's going on... I mean that's the reason why I'm playing the game in the first place. Like I said in the previous thread, I'm all for having a game in which say a person will have a hard time stopping to do something if they run at full speed but I still want to be able to control whatever the player does after it.

I'm going to use Forza 2 as an example. In Forza 2, when you bump into something, you car gets damaged and the handling gets messed up but not to the point in which you 100% completely can't control the car. You are still able to control the car but it's just harder to do. That there is the balance I would love to see be in madden. Something that penalizes you for how you play and what you do but still being able to play the game.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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<h4>word of advice..</h4> STAY AWAY from any professional review sites such as IGN, Gamespot, etc..
They all raved about how great Madden 09 was, and none of them found any bugs or issues with the game.
These sites cannot be trusted for a number of reasons when it comes to games like this.

Either rent it, play the demo, or come here for the real scoop.
But don't listen to a lot of peoples knee jerks reactions once it is released.. You should wait a few weeks until the newness or honeymoon period wears off.

Also, I would never say its Madden's last chance because I do not have an alternative, Its Madden or nothing.
So until the exclusivity deal is up, and there are other alternatives to an NFL football video game Madden will always get another chance with me

Your word of advice is perfectly on point, and I see you didn't want to mention anyone else lol, you went right to etc etc etc... lol

...The OS review gave it quite high comments too.

Someone had the heart to mention it. Way to Man up.

Wow. Two days in a row...Im impressed. In a totally non-sarcastic way, I have gotten one person to see (and maybe even respect) my side of this. It my have taken more posts and videos than I wanted, but it still happened.

Im not right, your not wrong. Nobody here has "the answer" or "the solution".

We should all agree that we want NFL football respected. The ratings that somebody puts an ungodly effort into at EA to mean something. Games decided on skill and maybe football knowledge.

Not cheese.
Not glitches.
Not animations.

I don't want to see "career highlights" each game. Anything less than that, and its an arcade game.

I'm here to say that I want to join your army also. I see clear as day exactly what you are saying and why. The only problem is Rmoody is we are the minority.

<h3>Ian issued me a bet, and I want nothing more but to make this bet with him, but for some reason he isn't replying back to me.</h3>

Ian lets do this, and if you don't then it's no big deal, just don't call someone out then ignore them when they accept.

I see what you are saying but I always thought of that vid as <h4>"this is how madden can be on next gen consoles"<h/4> and not that that was how madden 06 was going to be so I didn't feel like I was being lied to.

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I remember the trailer being advertise as in game footage. I also recall when we finally got Madden 06. My boys and I all said "wait a minute this doesn't look as good as the trailer lol"

We felt lied to also.

[Bgamer90]

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You need to re-read my post, maybe even modify your own. You have taken that 150% out of context.

I was speaking strictly regarding promotional materials that they have total creative control over. Again, they can not show us a flawless game with 2010. In the quarter by quarter, Super Bowl and many other videos the games flaws (even at speed) are exposed. That Madden 06 promo is a huge part of the reason EA lost my trust from a consumer standpoint.

It's not that I'm putting it out of context, it's just that you really weren't specific in what you were trying to say. You used "they" so I just assumed that you meant the people that make the game... not the promo team.

But anyways, even with that I don't see why you would expect something 100% flawless. It's a video game. Also in some cases the marketing team just simply does a bad job in making a vid. Even Ian said so...

[Ian_Cummings]

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Im telling you right now, if I can see them at speed your handing guys like Apex and myself a loaded gun in slow motion.

So just out of curiosity...

Is your end goal with playing Madden solely to critique it in slow motion in order to make youtube videos? If you buy Madden (no clue if you are going to or not), will your first experience be going into Franchise mode or Online and playing some games, or will it be into Practice mode with your camera rolling?

I really have found this trend quite interesting where guys seem like their whole goal in gaming is to find bugs and post them instead of playing them to actually enjoy the sport. I originally thought the community here was the hardcore and hard-to-please crew, but now it's branched even deeper into the "impossible to please" category - a category that has also picked up quite a few followers. I say "impossible to please" because while many of these videos are totally valid, we've also fixed MANY issues that were pointed out previously yet we all know there will not be followup videos showing what was fixed. Videos pointing out flaws will continue to roll in as long as we're around and in this business.

We still have plenty of issues in the game, and I'm also fully aware of many (if not all) of them. At the end of the day, we have a goal to make the most fun and most realistic game possible. While we continue down that path, sometimes there are still animation quirks, sometimes there are still missed assignments, and sometimes there are still blending problems.

It's still a video game though, so it sucks that our team pours our souls into making the best game possible, and that equates to a "loaded gun" for certain people point out as many flaws as possible via YouTube videos.

[Bgamer90]

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I'm here to say that I want to join your army also. I see clear as day exactly what you are saying and why. The only problem is Rmoody is we are the minority.

You aren't in the minority... everyone wants the game to be good and has said things that they felt needed improvement. It's just that me and many others don't 100% judge a game by seeing a trailer, chopping down the vid frame by frame and then stating problems in different areas of the game. We have to actually play the game ourselves... and that's all I'm saying. We have to see how things really will be before we make such deep criticisms about things that may be issues in the game. For you guys it seems to be different.

[angels28]

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So just out of curiosity...

Is your end goal with playing Madden solely to critique it in slow motion in order to make youtube videos? If you buy Madden (no clue if you are going to or not), will your first experience be going into Franchise mode or Online and playing some games, or will it be into Practice mode with your camera rolling?

I really have found this trend quite interesting where guys seem like their whole goal in gaming is to find bugs and post them instead of playing them to actually enjoy the sport. I originally thought the community here was the hardcore and hard-to-please crew, but now it's branched even deeper into the "impossible to please" category - a category that has also picked up quite a few followers. I say "impossible to please" because while many of these videos are totally valid, we've also fixed MANY issues that were pointed out previously yet we all know there will not be followup videos showing what was fixed. Videos pointing out flaws will continue to roll in as long as we're around and in this business.

We still have plenty of issues in the game, and I'm also fully aware of many (if not all) of them. At the end of the day, we have a goal to make the most fun and most realistic game possible. While we continue down that path, sometimes there are still animation quirks, sometimes there are still missed assignments, and sometimes there are still blending problems.

It's still a video game though, so it sucks that our team pours our souls into making the best game possible, and that equates to a "loaded gun" for certain people point out as many flaws as possible via YouTube videos.

AMEN TO THAT!!!

[harnalien]

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I will be more than happy to play the new game when it comes out. If it is better, I will buy it, if not I won't. I want to play the game just to enjoy, but the stuff that has been pointed out takes away from the experience. I am really hoping for the best for the direction of the game since it's all I currently have as a consumer. I have a feeling things will get worse before they get better. I think it's more adequate to say you are making the best game you can, not the best game possible. I know that sounds mean, but I can't think of how else to say it. If your commitment to fixing issues is what it seems, it means great things for the future of the series. Finish what you've started!

[roadman]

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So just out of curiosity...

Is your end goal with playing Madden solely to critique it in slow motion in order to make youtube videos? If you buy Madden (no clue if you are going to or not), will your first experience be going into Franchise mode or Online and playing some games, or will it be into Practice mode with your camera rolling?

I really have found this trend quite interesting where guys seem like their whole goal in gaming is to find bugs and post them instead of playing them to actually enjoy the sport. I originally thought the community here was the hardcore and hard-to-please crew, but now it's branched even deeper into the "impossible to please" category - a category that has also picked up quite a few followers. I say "impossible to please" because while many of these videos are totally valid, we've also fixed MANY issues that were pointed out previously yet we all know there will not be followup videos showing what was fixed. Videos pointing out flaws will continue to roll in as long as we're around and in this business.

We still have plenty of issues in the game, and I'm also fully aware of many (if not all) of them. At the end of the day, we have a goal to make the most fun and most realistic game possible. While we continue down that path, sometimes there are still animation quirks, sometimes there are still missed assignments, and sometimes there are still blending problems.

It's still a video game though, so it sucks that our team pours our souls into making the best game possible, and that equates to a "loaded gun" for certain people point out as many flaws as possible via YouTube videos.

I've read this post twice now and I would nominate it POY award.

[Bgamer90]

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I've read this post twice now and I would nominate it POY award.

Yeah...Really great post.

He perfectly summed up what I was trying to say.

[DIESEL]

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It's still a video game though, so it sucks that our team pours our souls into making the best game possible, and that equates to a "loaded gun" for certain people point out as many flaws as possible via YouTube videos.

If all goes well you this release you will have millions of happy people playing and enjoying your game. You can't let a handful of people on YouTube bring you down.

You can use their videos to help make the game better, but just ignore the negativity.