Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

[ken986]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

Madden '09 was my first purchase since '04. That game let me down big time.

I really wanna buy '10 but I'm not for another string of headaches. I'll probably play it at a friends house and if it's good, I'll look into buying it.

[PantherBeast_OS]

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Point blank I will buy madden if it is a good game. The past few years I really ain't bought madden. But so long as it is a good game I will buy it. And I am buying madden 10.

[Bamo305]

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honestly, i think Madden '12 will be the peak of Madden success. last year was the first year i felt Madden even tried to make a decent game for next gen. then this year they've made even more improvements, but i assume the next 2 years will be somewhat focused on getting their physics and momentum issues resolved (as long as Ian's around and hears us out). then that'll be the masterpiece that could make the majority happy.

as long as there's major improvements year-to-year and we get as well informed about them as we are now, i don't really have a problem supporting Madden at this point.

couldn't say it more better

[jdr4693]

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We still have plenty of issues in the game, and I'm also fully aware of many (if not all) of them. At the end of the day, we have a goal to make the most fun and most realistic game possible. While we continue down that path, sometimes there are still animation quirks, sometimes there are still missed assignments, and sometimes there are still blending problems.

Dude were tired of waiting and your complaining about how hard it is to fix this stuff! I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but why do we always have to wait when it comes to glitches? Why cant you just come out with a fixed game? Is it really that hard? Almost every other game developer/producer company is able to produce games with less glitches and problems than you guys (EA). And yet, every year you say we didn't get to everything (glitches). You are the only company that does this! I'm sorry to say it (at least with how long in years and time it takes you to fix simple glitches in games).Believe me I have played a ton of sports video games and EA sports games take the longest to fix glitches and problems IMO (especially football and basketball titles). In fact I will go as far as to say you are the only sports title that takes the longest to fix glitches in your sports games across the board (this includes all EA Sports titles) Why is this? Do you not have enough specific "sports game" testers that know about sports and how they are played? EA Sports have the glitchiest sports games.

This is the 5th next gen Madden and the game up till now (09) has been unplayable with stupid glitches that LINGER every year. These statements make me think you are not very confident about this year either. I am also wondering what you guys are trying to hide with these short demos? Man is it this hard and does it take this long to fix glitches and stuff? These words you speak are very troubling. Its like you know this game is broken deep down inside, at least that's my interpretation from these statements.


That's it, I'm finished with my rant about EA sports titles and how long they take to fix glitches in their games. I'm sorry, but reading you write"We still have plenty of issues in the game" shocks and angers me, considering its been five years now and you obviously still aren't even close to where you want to be with fixing major glitches. That statement Sent me into an angry and frustrated rant!

[MJ2320]

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Yes I did. I felt like 05 was the best. For the most part the flaws were less obvious. The players seemed to react better, and the game ran (and looked) smoother and more fluid. Player reactions and reaction times seemed to be much more realistic if not more believable from a logic or physics standpoint.

If people make fun of the guy(s) for trying to better the product (which I think he is ultimately trying to achieve), then they need to be fired. Obviously too ignorant to see that a better Madden product reflects better on EA as a whole. If people are against the betterment of a product , by any means, you have no business working for the company.

Ive said before , Ian and Dev's have my respect for showing up here. I just stop short of thanking him for doing his job. Those of you bent on thanking people for a job well done, by all means spend most of your time at this website , not a Madden board.

Being an honorably discharged veteran of the United States Military myself. This post by RMoody deserves to be applauded. Thanks RMoody...

[droopizzle34]

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I think we are probably 2 years away from a solid,all around Madden game. But I do think this year will finally be an enjoyable experience.

[chaseball]

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Ever since the EA Devs infiltrated Operation Sports, it feels like this Forum is attached to EA.com.

I'm shocked the mods (and there are seemingly millions of them these days), haven't already locked this thread in defense of Ian.

Is there not one single mod here at OS, that sympathizes with "our" frustration? I mean, seriously.

Just about every other respectable long-time poster here, entirely fed up with Madden, has been shut up (by warnings, bans, or some other form of suppression by this sites administration).

It's funny that Ian's Company (EA) can single handedly eliminate the production of other football video games we grew up loving, and then can come to our own backyard (a community that was built for the sports-gamer, by the sports-gamer), and DEMAND our praise/respect/whatever. It's not only off--it's awkwardly perverse, imo.

Where has this sites integrity gone?

[countryboy]

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Ian just so you know, the hardcore group here can be pleased. I'm talking about the guys that will be around after release and well into the winter months who are playing this game and giving honest/hands on feedback of the game.

Its the guys that come out of the woodworks, or create accounts, around this time for the sole purpose of bashing the game that are impossible to please. They'll pop up about a month or so prior to release, take every and any jab at any and all info/videos they can, and then hang a few weeks post release and read the bugs/glitches thread and use those issues to fire off more ammunition before they leave only to repeat the process next release.

Don't let the ones who will view Madden as a failure for nothing more than name alone, be your measuring stick of how the community honestly feels about your game.

[Skyboxer]

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Ever since the EA Devs infiltrated Operation Sports, it feels like this Forum is attached to EA.com.

I'm shocked the mods (and there are seemingly millions of them these days), haven't already locked this thread in defense of Ian.

Is there not one single mod here at OS, that sympathizes with "our" frustration? I mean, seriously.

Just about every other respectable long-time poster here, entirely fed up with Madden, has been shut up (by warnings, bans, or some other form of suppression by this sites administration).

It's funny that Ian's Company (EA) can single handedly eliminate the production of other football video games we grew up loving, and then can come to our own backyard (a community that was built for the sports-gamer, by the sports-gamer), and DEMAND our praise/respect/whatever. It's not only off--it's awkwardly perverse, imo.

Where has this sites integrity gone?

They were asked by the gamers to get more active with the gamers and they have done so. They didn't infiltrate anything.

Show me one post that was constructive and not childish temper tantrums and insulting etc.. that the poster was warned/banned.

The NFL single handedly eliminated production of other NFL games Not EA.
Also show me where Ian and Co. ever demanded praise....

The sites integrity hasn't gone anywhere. Just the amount of juvenile, "look at me" members have joined lately.

[JkA3]

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I will always be a Madden fan. No matter what the community vibe is, I always enjoy the title, and feel better about it every year. I guess I'm an optimist (or romanticist).

[TJdaSportsGuy]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

Ever since the EA Devs infiltrated Operation Sports, it feels like this Forum is attached to EA.com.

I'm shocked the mods (and there are seemingly millions of them these days), haven't already locked this thread in defense of Ian.

Is there not one single mod here at OS, that sympathizes with "our" frustration? I mean, seriously.

Just about every other respectable long-time poster here, entirely fed up with Madden, has been shut up (by warnings, bans, or some other form of suppression by this sites administration).

It's funny that Ian's Company (EA) can single handedly eliminate the production of other football video games we grew up loving, and then can come to our own backyard (a community that was built for the sports-gamer, by the sports-gamer), and DEMAND our praise/respect/whatever. It's not only off--it's awkwardly perverse, imo.

Where has this sites integrity gone?

Hmmmmmmmm...how could a person who has only been a member of our site for less than a month have a point of reference long enough to come to the conclusion that we've lost our integrity?

EDIT: Yep...thought so. Goodbye...again.

[Pared]

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So just out of curiosity...

Is your end goal with playing Madden solely to critique it in slow motion in order to make youtube videos? If you buy Madden (no clue if you are going to or not), will your first experience be going into Franchise mode or Online and playing some games, or will it be into Practice mode with your camera rolling?

I really have found this trend quite interesting where guys seem like their whole goal in gaming is to find bugs and post them instead of playing them to actually enjoy the sport. I originally thought the community here was the hardcore and hard-to-please crew, but now it's branched even deeper into the "impossible to please" category - a category that has also picked up quite a few followers. I say "impossible to please" because while many of these videos are totally valid, we've also fixed MANY issues that were pointed out previously yet we all know there will not be followup videos showing what was fixed. Videos pointing out flaws will continue to roll in as long as we're around and in this business.

We still have plenty of issues in the game, and I'm also fully aware of many (if not all) of them. At the end of the day, we have a goal to make the most fun and most realistic game possible. While we continue down that path, sometimes there are still animation quirks, sometimes there are still missed assignments, and sometimes there are still blending problems.

It's still a video game though, so it sucks that our team pours our souls into making the best game possible, and that equates to a "loaded gun" for certain people point out as many flaws as possible via YouTube videos.

Vocal minority...

Since I post here regularly, I am a member of the "hardcore community", and I would certainly object to being lumped in with the handful of malcontents who will never be happy. I would also hate for the actions of a few to cause the concerns of the community to fall on deaf ears due to the perception that we can "never be satisfied".

Two fantastic posts.

Unfortunately those of the "vocal minority" possibly fall into the category of impossible to please. But that's what you're going to have to deal with because of EA's sole possession of the license. Imagine if there were other NFL games... you'd have less people on your back.

Might be something to consider... I kid, I kid. :wink:

It is getting annoying. I recall many posts infuriated with the development of exclusive licensing... but they soon evolved into posts such as, "if only we could talk to the developers and tell them what we want."

Little did I know that meant for some, "If only we could bitch at the developers and complain incessantly and show them we can never be satisfied."

Guys expecting the holy grail of football games need to come back in a few more years. There have been many advancements this year.. and enough to make this consumer (who has preferred to avoid football or play Madden PS2/NFL 2k5 the past few years) actually consider a purchase.

And I know I'm not alone.

[Methlab]

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I will only buy it if it gets great reviews on here and is a great football game. I want to vote with my wallet, and I encourage everyone to do the same. This is the only way the NFL (not EA) can possibly take note of what they have done, which is ruin footballl gaming for the past 5 years due to no competition.

It's unfair to blame EA, But I am truly sick of hearing them say how last year's game was bad and they fixed it and this year is SO much better..rinse and repeat each year.

So anyway, last chance for me was last year when I bought on Midnight. Never again until this game really turns around, and then I will definitley buy it.

And Ian, please man..you have to accept these videos will always exist. A, because YOU asked for details and feedback, which I believe videos illustrate better then anything else. I don't think peopple need to rip on the game in the audio commentary, but it is America and they can do that. You also said your animations would beat out APF, and people now expect that to happen. That's just how it is.

[BezO]

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I really have found this trend quite interesting where guys seem like their whole goal in gaming is to find bugs and post them instead of playing them to actually enjoy the sport. I originally thought the community here was the hardcore and hard-to-please crew, but now it's branched even deeper into the "impossible to please" category - a category that has also picked up quite a few followers. I say "impossible to please" because while many of these videos are totally valid, we've also fixed MANY issues that were pointed out previously yet we all know there will not be followup videos showing what was fixed. Videos pointing out flaws will continue to roll in as long as we're around and in this business.

Are you noticing this with other games? Maybe because I'm a bigger football fan and pay more attention to Madden, but I don't see nearly the number of complaints & vids about baskeball, baseball, soccer or hockey games.

Also, the complaints I do see and that I have with those games are more on par with 2009. Most of the suggestions are for things not yet seen in those sports. Where as with Madden, we're still asking for realistic running animations, for example.

As a developer that pours his heart into his work, I can understand your frustration. But I don't think you understand ours. Speaking only for me, it's not that I'm impossible to please. It's that what would please me is not high on your list of priorities. I'd have to check my wishlist, but I'd bet that my top 3-5 wishes are still absent from '10.

We still have plenty of issues in the game, and I'm also fully aware of many (if not all) of them. At the end of the day, we have a goal to make the most fun and most realistic game possible. While we continue down that path, sometimes there are still animation quirks, sometimes there are still missed assignments, and sometimes there are still blending problems.

It's still a video game though, so it sucks that our team pours our souls into making the best game possible, and that equates to a "loaded gun" for certain people point out as many flaws as possible via YouTube videos.

Knowing the problems still present, knowing how fundamentally important these issues are, and knowing another game has accomplished some of these things years ago, you should better understand folks frustrations.

Feeling some are impossible to please probably means you have no motivation to please those folks. But if I were in your position, those people would be my motivation. Even if their only goal is to find faults in your game, if the complaints are valid, how can you be upset with anything but what's stopping your from addressing those issues?

[Pared]

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Are you noticing this with other games? Maybe because I'm a bigger football fan and pay more attention to Madden, but I don't see nearly the number of complaints & vids about baskeball, baseball, soccer or hockey games.

LMAO

You really need to check out the NBA 2k and MLB:The Show forums if you think that.