Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Phobia]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Ian, just want to say glad to see you back on OS posting and such. More as a gamer but with the knowledge of the inside outs of the sports gaming industry is something we can all learn here at OS so there are less of the ignorant posts how the developers "don't care".

I wanted to get your insight on a subject I think has been brought to the table to much.

Many people talk about how the "locomotion engine and Animation engines" are holding the game back and they (EA devs) should re-write the engine. I stand behind the stance these engines (code) take multiple years to write, test, implement, and then further tweak and test to get desired results out of the tech.

The flame I have received is that the 08 direction of Madden changed the tech up for 09 and people believe they were written in a single year "So why can't you fix the locomotion, sliding, foot planting in one year by writing new tech?". I made the comment that the tech used in 09 was mostly in development from 07 or so.

Can you give a little insight on the length of time it takes to implement these "techs" we see such as "pro-tak", "Double hit tackles", "Animation blending", etc etc

Again, glad you back on OS

[RGiles36]

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Madden presentation has been bland and boring for 6 years and still lacking. Take out the intros and camera angles, its still Maddens ole presentation. Its a lot more than intros and camera angles, it does help though. Look at NBA2K11 and MLB2K11 presentation package and commentary..outstanding!!! Madden needs to take notes on that, then they can say they "true to the game".

We're off topic here, but I think you've been selling the presentation upgrades short. If you want to dwell on the lack of 2K5ish halftime & postgame shows, cool. But do realize that the majority of sports games don't take the NFL2K5 approach as far as shows go.

And camera angles are critical to the presentation. The angles were awful in M10 (heads getting cut off in close shots) and not much better in M11. How can you dismiss this improvement?

The banners themselves seem to be improved and will keep the user informed -- as wasn't the case the last two years.

The commentary still leaves something to be desired without a doubt. But to suggest that the presentation is the 'same-ol presentation' sounds agenda driven.

[RogueHominid]

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Thanks to Phil for the hard work on this year's game. I wish I could super-sim life until late August so I can get my hands on this game ASAP. The franchise improvements have me more excited for Madden than I've been in a long, long time.

Good luck in your future endeavors!

[Phobia]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Thanks to Phil for the hard work on this year's game. I wish I could super-sim life until late August so I can get my hands on this game ASAP. The franchise improvements have me more excited for Madden than I've been in a long, long time.

Good luck in your future endeavors!

TM, you thinking Online Franchise of the ol APF crew? Shiz, CreatineKC, Me, You, pappy, DCMC, Teambayern, Grunt, Doc, Dakkon, etc

A ACQB reunion lol

[iva-chargers-fan]

Good luck to Phil, but dont be suprised if madden is back to being crap next year (Madden 12 one hit wonder)

[mf756193]

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Good luck to Phil, but dont be suprised if madden is back to being crap next year (Madden 12 one hit wonder)

Don't be surprised when it's actually BETTER.

[mrmass413]

good luck to him.... hopefully that means better games to come. New people new ideas

[adfletch71]

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We're off topic here, but I think you've been selling the presentation upgrades short. If you want to dwell on the lack of 2K5ish halftime & postgame shows, cool. But do realize that the majority of sports games don't take the NFL2K5 approach as far as shows go.

And camera angles are critical to the presentation. The angles were awful in M10 (heads getting cut off in close shots) and not much better in M11. How can you dismiss this improvement?

The banners themselves seem to be improved and will keep the user informed -- as wasn't the case the last two years.

The commentary still leaves something to be desired without a doubt. But to suggest that the presentation is the 'same-ol presentation' sounds agenda driven.

hey rgiles,

No agenda here my friend, but I do look at this current gen. MLB2K11 has outstanding commentary and presentation package. When Phil said that Madden is "true to the game" it's not in the presentation dept, even though it's a lot better than the last 6 years. When I look at ESPN, CBS or NBC on Sunday's, it's a lot different than what I have seen at E3. The breakdown the NBA and MLB2k does with stats and commentary is amazing. They don't really need a halftime show with there games. NBA2k11 does have a tiny halftime show.

Just wish Phil and Ian concentrated on those in game presentation aspects, not mostly on intros and cameras. Madden is looking good, can't deny. At this point though, last gen games shouldn't even be mentioned. Because they are by many gamers, tells u something about the direction of the game.

[big_larry]

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If I am not mistaken, Phil was the one who left EA, EA didn't kick Phil out....

He is probably leaving because EA is not giving the Madden team enough resources or control over the game.

[Lodeus]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

He is probably leaving because EA is not giving the Madden team enough resources or control over the game.

Thats what I'm thinking.

[Armor and Sword]

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All the best to Phil. I know Madden 12 is going to rock. I hope Josh sticks around and sees the franchise mode through to it's ultimate build on this Gen.

[DJ]

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TM, you thinking Online Franchise of the ol APF crew? Shiz, CreatineKC, Me, You, pappy, DCMC, Teambayern, Grunt, Doc, Dakkon, etc

A ACQB reunion lol

I would get the 360 version if this happened. I know you guys still have nightmares about me running for 200-plus yards with Okoye in APF.

[DaveDQ]

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He was probably holding the company back anyway. Good riddance

This is such an ignorant statement. I'm not head over heals about the development of Madden in the last 7 years but making a comment like that just proves you have zero understanding of things.

Truly the ***** will hate.

I haven't read the whole thread, but don't we have a better picture of Phil somewhere? I want a picture of the new and improved Phil.

Best of luck to the guy wherever he ends up, been great to talk/interact with him over the years.

Yeah, I thought the same. It needs to be P90X Phil.

[Hova57]

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hey rgiles,

No agenda here my friend, but I do look at this current gen. MLB2K11 has outstanding commentary and presentation package. When Phil said that Madden is "true to the game" it's not in the presentation dept, even though it's a lot better than the last 6 years. When I look at ESPN, CBS or NBC on Sunday's, it's a lot different than what I have seen at E3. The breakdown the NBA and MLB2k does with stats and commentary is amazing. They don't really need a halftime show with there games. NBA2k11 does have a tiny halftime show.

Just wish Phil and Ian concentrated on those in game presentation aspects, not mostly on intros and cameras. Madden is looking good, can't deny. At this point though, last gen games shouldn't even be mentioned. Because they are by many gamers, tells u something about the direction of the game.

First off if you want to compare presentation MLB2K11 is the game. Play the Show. Secondly Phil and Ian did the best with what they had. Madden 12 is still two months away. Most likely their current build is in Beta. I think what we saw at E3 was an alpha game still. These guys worked their butt of to get the game when Madden 12 is. Once again Cam Weber seems to be very knowledgeable and was able to make the number 1 sporting game in the World not North America, but the world. Madden will be fine people leave all the time.

[BezO]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

He is probably leaving because EA is not giving the Madden team enough resources or control over the game.

I'm hoping it's this. I'm also hoping that the departures make EA execs rethink their approach.

I'm curious about the engineers though... the ones that do the serious coding. IMO, that's where Madden needs changes.