Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[spit_bubble]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

...This happens all the time across corporate America, it's just not front page news on a forum message board...

Actually it is front page news when stuff like this happens...

Forgive me if I seem abrupt and back out of this interaction, but it's just really hard to carry on when you simply make stuff up like that.

[Phobia]

Re: Phil Frazier the Latest to Leave EA Sports Tiburon Studio

Aren't insults against the rules as well and subject to banning?

I understand that you have a more personal stake in his comment than just about everyone else on here, as you actually know Phil, but why stoop to Shiz' level?

Why is this part of the topic??? SMH

[roadman]

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Actually it is front page news when stuff like this happens...

Forgive me if I seem abrupt and back out of this interaction, but it's just really hard to carry on when you simply make stuff up like that.

Again, with all due respect, a few people leaving a company several weeks apart from each other doesn't get front page news all the time.

That isn't making stuff up, either, but suit yourself.

Maybe it will appear in the USA paper or WSJ?

To clarify, yes, it's front page news across gaming sites, as it should be, but outside of sports gaming sites, I don't think it would be front page news elsewhere.

[SoxFan01605]

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Again, with all due respect, a few people leaving a company several weeks apart from each other doesn't get front page news all the time.

That isn't making stuff up, either, but suit yourself.

Maybe it will appear in the USA paper or WSJ?

To clarify, yes, it's front page news across gaming sites, as it should be, but outside of sports gaming sites, I don't think it would be front page news elsewhere.

I think though, when you look at your comparison to other corporate type jobs (other companies seeing people leaving) it would though.

I agree this most likely won't make front page news most anywhere because it's video games but, relative to the industry, EA is a corporate giant and Ian and Phil were key guys for one of their biggest products. If a similar exodus occurred with execs from a major corporation for something in the auto industry, for example, it would make news. I think that's what's wrong with your comparison when you say it "happens all the time."

I'm not saying it means anything (in fact, I tend to agree that it's probably got less to do with anything specific to Madden and more to do with a personal choice or dissatisfaction with EA's corporate culture), but I don't think your rationale here is very sound.

Plus (and I know you alluded to this...so I'm not saying you aren't aware or anthing), relative to the industry at hand and the medium for which most news is received (gaming sites and message boards) something like this happening is almost always "front page" news and ALWAYS causes high speculation.

Again, not saying it means anything at all (I take Ian at his word, for one thing), but I also don't think it's unreasonable or uncommon for the close proximity of Ian and Phil's exits to cause speculation.

[roadman]

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I agree this most likely won't make front page news most anywhere because it's video games but, relative to the industry, EA is a corporate giant and Ian and Phil were key guys for one of their biggest products.
I'm not saying it means anything (in fact, I tend to agree that it's probably got less to do with anything specific to Madden and more to do with a personal choice or dissatisfaction with EA's corporate culture), but I don't think your rationale here is very sound.

Plus (and I know you alluded to this...so I'm not saying you aren't aware or anthing), relative to the industry at hand and the medium for which most news is received (gaming sites and message boards) something like this happening is almost always "front page" news and ALWAYS causes high speculation.

Again, not saying it means anything at all (I take Ian at his word, for one thing), but I also don't think it's unreasonable or uncommon for the close proximity of Ian and Phil's exits to cause speculation.

I guess where I was going with it is if it's two GM Execectives leaving at the same time, everyone knows, but if Phil and Ian are leaving, it's narrowed down to a narrower niche market.

Also, it matters where you put Ian and Phil title wise in the corporate world. To me, they weren't CEO's or COO or CFO's, executive type people. To me, they were managers and directors that more visible to the community vs their counterparts in the corporate world, in my opinion. Also, to build a bit more on my assumption, managers and directors leave every day at a company and it's not newsworthy.("the happens all the time" scenario) I just feel Ian and Phil were magnified because of their visibility within the community. Jeremy Strausser left and wasn't hardly newsworthy. Why, because he stayed out of the lime light.

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Phil Frazier the Latest to Leave EA Sports Tiburon Studio

Woah.... well, what's going on at EA?

The same thing that happens when you get a new coach: you also get a new coaching staff.

This is a good thing in my opinion. M12 shows promise, but I felt this way in anticipation for M10. This franchise is years behind where it should be.

[K_GUN]

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hey K_GUN

I have too disagree with u about the presentation aspect of the game, they could have outshined NFL2k5 this gen, but didn't for some reason. Gameplay wise is debatable. They was on the right track with the Extra Point and could have really built off of that. Madden presentation has been bland and boring for 6 years and still lacking. Take out the intros and camera angles, its still Maddens ole presentation. Its a lot more than intros and camera angles, it does help though. Look at NBA2K11 and MLB2K11 presentation package and commentary..outstanding!!! Madden needs to take notes on that, then they can say they "true to the game".

u can disagree all u want

fact is....I skipped madden until M10...the previous titles weren;t worth my money.

NFL wouldn't let EA....oops...*strongly encouraged EA* to not use ESPN..and besides....if EA DID use the ESPN license I'm pretty sure guys like u would be the first to post..."yada yada...i saw that 7 years ago..yada yada..." (c'mon, admit it, you know would...LOL)

and.....have to disagree with u just dismissing camera angles so quickly....those things are huge.....many of those angles are from the same angles that CBS uses..and more (NFL FILMS)...they alone add so much more to presentation.

i'm not here to get into a phssing match with u on 2k.....i was a fanboy myself--go look up my posts from 2004!...heck I still play APF when i need my gameplay fix.

alos..Adembroski said that Ian & Co. spent a lot of time building tools that would allow for huge leaps & bounds in their yearly dev cycle....i think you'll see that for M12 & beyond.

I've made peace with NFL gaming....maybe it would do u some good to as well

your choice

[LiquorLogic]

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Doesn't matter. It's gone down hill. He's to blame also. He got old and stale, just like the game. Like a bag of Doritos that's been in the cabinet for too long.

Exactly, who was at the helm of Madden development ? M10 and M11 were disappointments. This whole generation of Madden games were disappointments. We have been asking for things to be done that have been done by games, some made by EA, years ago. I guess Cam saw that and figured it was time to go in a different direction.

M12 looks to be a huge improvement, but a guess it was too little too late. This series is years behind the other sports titles in spite of all the progress that has been made.

[Blitzburgh]

Finally someone with sense!

That my Steelers fans for ya! lol

[adfletch71]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[QUOTE=K_GUN;2042499987]u can disagree all u want

fact is....I skipped madden until M10...the previous titles weren;t worth my money.

NFL wouldn't let EA....oops...*strongly encouraged EA* to not use ESPN..and besides....if EA DID use the ESPN license I'm pretty sure guys like u would be the first to post..."yada yada...i saw that 7 years ago..yada yada..." (c'mon, admit it, you know would...LOL)

and.....have to disagree with u just dismissing camera angles so quickly....those things are huge.....many of those angles are from the same
angles that CBS uses..and more (NFL FILMS)...they alone add so much more to presentation

i'm not here to get into a phssing match with u on 2k.....i was a fanboy myself--go look up my posts from 2004!...heck I still play APF when i need my gameplay fix.

alos..Adembroski said that Ian & Co. spent a lot of time building tools that would allow for huge leaps & bounds in their yearly dev cycle....i think you'll see that for M12 & beyond.

I've made peace with NFL gaming....maybe it would do u some good to as well


your choice[/QUOTE

Really K_GUN

U made peace with NFL gaming...why?? Are u willing to settle for what EA gives us every year and have tasted that almost perfect fruit of NFL2k5..lmao
We both know what almost perfect presentation is, last year, did u like the stats package for Madden11? Madden12 looks similar in that category looking at the E3 videos. We could have so much better in that dept, thats why i dont understand why the developers fail too visually see it, they say they look at the NFL broadcast all the time. Stats, Stats and more Stats, we see it all the time in the NFL, why not Madden? 2k5 did this very well and i hope Madden can do the same with this new GM..Cam Weber

[LiquorLogic]

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Just go away please. You have no idea what you're talking about. 13 years of unwavering dedication, an incredible leader, was a key part of why Madden came to be the megahit game it is today, and you're comparing him to Doritos.

Madden is the megahit game that it is today because it was the pioneer of football gaming. It's only a megahit due to the popularity of the NFL. When you compare it to other sports titles, the simulation of those sports is clearly superior to Madden's simulation of NFL football; that's a fact. Madden 12, as much as it's improved, will still be behind other sports titles.

Seeing Phil leave doesn't get me upset, theres always a lot changeover in any big company. People want to move on to next stage of their career, I wish Phil the best of luck at his new gig.

I would be upset if Josh Looman left though. If he left, then EA would have a lot of problems replacing 3 big cogs in basically one years time.

Yeah, but the fact that the two most significant developers, when it comes to Madden, are leaving so close together reminds me of a new coach ( Cam Weber) replacing the existing coaching staff with his own.

[Only1LT]

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Why is this part of the topic??? SMH

Why didn't you say this when Ian brought up the subject? SMH

[K_GUN]

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Really K_GUN

U made peace with NFL gaming...why?? Are u willing to settle for what EA gives us every year and have tasted that almost perfect fruit of NFL2k5..lmao
We both know what almost perfect presentation is, last year, did u like the stats package for Madden11? Madden12 looks similar in that category looking at the E3 videos. We could have so much better in that dept, thats why i dont understand why the developers fail too visually see it, they say they look at the NFL broadcast all the time. Stats, Stats and more Stats, we see it all the time in the NFL, why not Madden? 2k5 did this very well and i hope Madden can do the same with this new GM..Cam Weber

yup....made peace

dueces

;o)

BTW...whats the alternative?

*make Youtube vids showing APF/2K5 highlights?..nah...lame use of time

*spend countless hours on a gaming website with my <i>captain obvious</I> cape on reminding/telling everyone how superior 2k was?.......again....lame use of time

nope...not for me

[RGiles36]

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Why didn't you say this when Ian brought up the subject? SMH

What are you trying to prove?

"What's understood doesn't need to be said."

We both know what almost perfect presentation is, last year, did u like the stats package for Madden11? Madden12 looks similar in that category looking at the E3 videos. We could have so much better in that dept, thats why i dont understand why the developers fail too visually see it, they say they look at the NFL broadcast all the time. Stats, Stats and more Stats, we see it all the time in the NFL, why not Madden? 2k5 did this very well and i hope Madden can do the same with this new GM..Cam Weber

Have you watched the M12 vids? The stats package is eerily similar to what CBS is doing -- quick stats pop out of the score hub, and there are full stat banners in necessary situations i.e. after scoring at TD.

2K5 had great presentation. It was the standard. But ESPN Sunday Night Football no longer comes on TV, and it would be foolish for Madden to attempt to reflect a dated broadcast experience. If you watch CBS football games, you can tell that's where the influence on Madden comes from and they seem to have captured it well (the videos suggest that at least).

Seems to me you're not impressed b/c it doesn't look like that other game. And I'm not suggesting the presentation in Madden will be on that level. But I think you're ignoring that the broadcast experience has changed IRL.

[Only1LT]

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First off, I wish Phil the best of luck with what ever his next endeavor is.

As far as my reaction to him leaving, I can't say that I see it as negatively as most on this thread. Before you sick the dogs, let me explain.

I am not a huge fan of a lot of aspects of the game, so it would stand to reason that I would not be against any of the team leaving. Could the new regime be worse? Of course it could, but if you have major issues already, wouldn't you risk it?

This is nothing personal against Phil or Ian. I am just unhappy with the state of the game that they were a part of producing. Do I think there are needed improvements made in 12? Yes. Do I think that the title is probably headed in the right direction? Yes, but I also feel that, from my vantage point at least, that though it may be headed in the right direction, it will take a very long time to reach its destination.

So again, good luck to Phil and Ian. I am looking for radical changes to be made to the game. Maybe Phil and Ian would have made those radical changes eventually. Maybe they wanted to do them long ago. I don't know. I can only go by the product on the shelf, as I don't work at EA/Tiburon. Judging it by that alone, I'd be lying if I said I was sorry that any particular dev or lead left.

Just my opinion, and absolutely nothing personal.