Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Well I don't know what else to tell you. I have my threshold on 0 and all I do is spread my Dline out and J.Tuck gets most of my sacks with a regular 4 man rush.. There isn't any point for me to go back and forth with you about it like everyone else is but those are my results..

Appreciate the feedback. How many sacks do your DT get?

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Appreciate the feedback. How many sacks do your DT get?

Not many because they usually get caught up on alot of double teams because I spread my Dline out wide.. If my DE can get off the edge quick he gets to the QB before anybody.. Having the threshold on 0 helps speedy ends get off the edge. Also all my games are played on All-Madden. I don't do any testing on All-Pro so I don't know how it operates on that level..

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Not many because they usually get caught up on alot of double teams because I spread my Dline out wide.. If my DE can get off the edge quick he gets to the QB before anybody.. Having the threshold on 0 helps speedy ends get off the edge. Also all my games are played on All-Madden. I don't do any testing on All-Pro so I don't know how it operates on that level..

Do you use these priority sliders? Whats your pass blocking & pass rush sliders set to?

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Do you use these priority sliders? Whats your pass blocking & pass rush sliders set to?

I have 4-3 DEs on 100/1, 3-4 DEs on run stop with 100 priority, and all DTs on run stop with 100 priority. I keep it simple. Well I have 3 sets. My red set the CPUs pass block is 0, blue set is 5, and black set(I use this one) is 10. I have my USER pass rush at 0.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I have 4-3 DEs on 100/1, 3-4 DEs on run stop with 100 priority, and all DTs on run stop with 100 priority. I keep it simple. Well I have 3 sets. My red set the CPUs pass block is 0, blue set is 5, and black set(I use this one) is 10. I have my USER pass rush at 0.

What about your pass rush & pass block settings? I wanna test your exact scenario with the Giants.

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

What about your pass rush & pass block settings? I wanna test your exact scenario with the Giants.

I just told you. I have my CPUs pass block on 0 for my red set, 5 for my blue set, and 10 for my black set. I have my USER pass rush at 0. I have the CPUs pass block higher on the other 2 sets because I blitz alot so you probably wanna do the testing with my red set. Check out my sliders to see how I have everything set up set up. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...m-sliders.html

Also remember my results come from a full 16 games schedule so I don't know what kind of results you are going to get from one game. But J.Tuck ended up with most of my sacks from a 4 man rush from simply spreading my Dline out wide with the threshold on 0 along with my slider set up..

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I just told you. I have my CPUs pass block on 0 for my red set, 5 for my blue set, and 10 for my black set. I have my USER pass rush at 0. I have the CPUs pass block higher on the other 2 sets because I blitz alot so you probably wanna do the testing with my red set. Check out my sliders to see how I have everything set up set up. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...m-sliders.html

Also remember my results come from a full 16 games schedule so I don't know what kind of results you are going to get from one game. But J.Tuck ended up with most of my sacks from a 4 man rush from simply spreading my Dline out wide with the threshold on 0 along with my slider set up..

Thanks, im gonna try this. Ive never tested on all-madden so the higher AI might help.

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Thanks, im gonna try this. I have a feeling the 0 threshold might help, because it makes the DE faster and DT slower. Ive also never tested on all-madden so the higher AI might also help.

No problem man.. Yeah I don't know how the AI operates on All-Pro so all the points you bring up about the DTs might be correct on that level. I wouldn't know because I've always been an All-Madden player but this is what I'm experiencing with how I have my sliders set up. But remember the AIs pass block on All-Madden is a little overpowered when bringing a 4 man rush even with the CPUs pass block on 0. They usually get an unrealistic amount of time in the pocket on most occasions but when I do call a 4 man rush and spread my Dline out(threshold 0) J.Tuck would be the one who would end up with most of my sacks..

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Hey, let me ask you this, Jarrod (and really anyone else getting main production from your Ends), you say that you don't experience the DT getting too much pressure on your defense, do you experience too much pressure up the middle when you are on offense? Last year all of the pressure I experienced came mainly from the edges, now the majority of pressure I experience when the CPU is bringing 4 is right up the middle.

[pdiehm]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Hey, let me ask you this, Jarrod (and really anyone else getting main production from your Ends), you say that you don't experience the DT getting too much pressure on your defense, do you experience too much pressure up the middle when you are on offense? Last year all of the pressure I experienced came mainly from the edges, now the majority of pressure I experience when the CPU is bringing 4 is right up the middle.

I don't. My pressure comes from the DE's and OLB's. About the only time the CPU gets pressure up the middle is when they blitz the mike, or the safety.

[pegout]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

same here a dt will maybe get through one time a game at best

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Gametape said he used my sliders/settings exactly as I showed him. So why is he just now saying he will try 0 threshold?
What do my sliders settings say about threshold and how it helps Qbs not get so many suction sacks by Dts.

Jeeze,
I suspect he will come back and tell Jarrod its not working lol. It's unfixable to him.
I even told him some guys are going as far as changing Dts and O-lineman ratings to fix this.

He said, that's not the problem and ratings won't fix it.

I thought you used 0 threshold already gametape? Starting to look suspect to me.

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Hey, let me ask you this, Jarrod (and really anyone else getting main production from your Ends), you say that you don't experience the DT getting too much pressure on your defense, do you experience too much pressure up the middle when you are on offense? Last year all of the pressure I experienced came mainly from the edges, now the majority of pressure I experience when the CPU is bringing 4 is right up the middle.

On Madden I would say the CPU gets at me at an equal pace when rushing 4. I honestly haven't payed attention to where the pressure is coming from the most because it hasn't been noticable but on NCAA I noticed immediately when I popped the game back that the DTs were bringing intense pressure from up the middle... I was getting hit alot everytime I tried to step up in the pocket to make a throw..

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Gametape said he used my sliders/settings exactly as I showed him. So why is he just now saying he will try 0 threshold?
What do my sliders settings say about threshold and how it helps Qbs not get so many suction sacks by Dts.

Jeeze,
I suspect he will come back and tell Jarrod its not working lol. It's unfixable to him.
I even told him some guys are going as far as changing Dts and O-lineman ratings to fix this.

He said, that's not the problem and ratings won't fix it.

I thought you used 0 threshold already gametape? Starting to look suspect to me.

I did try 0 threshold, but i meant im gonna try the combination of 0 threshold with all-madden, which i have yet to play all-madden.

You are funny dfos, because in the other thread you admitted DT were an issue even with priority, and you said that its because of the ratings.

I said the ratings wont fix it because i increased the OG and C ratings to max on everything, and the DT still busted through.

But if you are saying its because of the ratings then at least you are admitting its an issue, which is all i been trying to say.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

On Madden I would say the CPU gets at me at an equal pace when rushing 4. I honestly haven't payed attention to where the pressure is coming from the most because it hasn't been noticable but on NCAA I noticed immediately when I popped the game back that the DTs were bringing intense pressure from up the middle... I was getting hit alot everytime I tried to step up in the pocket to make a throw..

To me, Madden pass rush plays exactly the same as NCAA. When i posted about this issue on NCAA forum here, everyone agreed with me.