Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

To me, Madden pass rush plays exactly the same as NCAA. When i posted about this issue on NCAA forum here, everyone agreed with me.

It doesn't to me from my experience on playing both games. I noticed immediately when I jumped back to NCAA(heisman) recently how overpowered the DTs were busting through my Oline. That wasn't happening to me on Madden(all-Madden) and I have USER pass block on Madden at 0 with the CPUs pass rush at 100. I ended up raising my USER pass block to 20 on NCAA(CPUs pass rush 100) because of how the CPUs DTs were coming through. I pretty much have the same set up on both game with the threshold, game speed, and slider settings. I had to change up my style of play from the pocket on NCAA. I had just came off playing a full season of Madden when I jumped to NCAA so you can instantly feel the difference in gameplay as far as the the DTs busting through. The reason everyone agreed with you on NCAA is because its obvious. On Madden I wasn't experience that. It wasn't noticable at all like it was when I plugged in NCAA..

I can't really tell you how it is as far as the USER because I blitz more on NCAA then I do on Madden and my LBs and DEs lead my team with in sacks.. But yes the CPUs DTs bust through quicker then the DEs on NCAA. I can definitely confirm that.

[GameTape]

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But remember the AIs pass block on All-Madden is a little overpowered when bringing a 4 man rush even with the CPUs pass block on 0. They usually get an unrealistic amount of time in the pocket on most occasions but when I do call a 4 man rush and spread my Dline out(threshold 0) J.Tuck would be the one who would end up with most of my sacks..

This right here i find very interesting. Ive been trying to come up with theories for why people get realistic DE sacks. I was thinking that maybe its because people set up the sliders in a way that gives the QB unrealistic time in the pocket.

The other day while testing i noticed that when the CPU QB has alot of time in the pocket, the DE are the ones who get there... but it takes a very long time, so i decided not to play that way.

So are people who get realistic DE sacks doing so because their pass rush is very ineffective?

[Jarodd21]

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This right here i find very interesting. Ive been trying to come up with theories for why people get realistic DE sacks. I was thinking that maybe its because people set up the sliders in a way that gives the QB unrealistic time in the pocket.

The other day while testing i noticed that when the CPU QB has alot of time in the pocket, the DE are the ones who get there... but it takes a very long time, so i decided not to play that way.

So are people who get realistic DE sacks doing so because their pass rush is very ineffective?

Its just an All-Madden issue. Its been like that for the past few Maddens.. Its not intentional by me. I can't speak for anyone else.. That is why I blitz about 50 to 60 percent of the time so I can get pressure on the CPU because of the overpowered CPU pass block on All-Madden. I would love to get a realistic pass rush from my front 4 but its hard to accomplish on All-Madden. The CPU already has a hard time picking up the blitz so if you raise the pass rush too high the sacks get way out of hand and that is the reason why I stick with the current settings I have..

But yeah on All-Madden it does seem like the DTs have a harder time getting through the line and once the DEs get off the edge they get to the QB.

[dfos81]

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I did try 0 threshold, but i meant im gonna try the combination of 0 threshold with all-madden, which i have yet to play all-madden.

You are funny dfos, because in the other thread you admitted DT were an issue even with priority, and you said that its because of the ratings.

I said the ratings wont fix it because i increased the OG and C ratings to max on everything, and the DT still busted through.

But if you are saying its because of the ratings then at least you are admitting its an issue, which is all i been trying to say.

What you meant? Say what mean lol. You keep spinning lol.
Now you've also tested ratings lol!!
All I was saying was basically there is more than 1 way to help this issue, which really isn't an issue to anybody(offline with adjustments) but you at this point lol.
I know its an issue but its not an issue for the guys I've been testing with. Why do you keep saying I didn't think it was an issue?

So lemme guess you've done enough testing now with my suggestions and others and your still not seeing anything better from default online?

What's funny is your still the only one thats having the issue really(offline w/ slider adjusting, schemes).
You've tested Jarrods now too lol. Wow!

[GameTape]

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Say what mean lol. You keep spinning lol.
Now you've also tested ratings lol!!
All I was saying was basically there is more than 1 way to help this issue, which really isn't an issue to anybody but you at this point lol.

So lemme guess you've done enough testing now with my suggestions and others and your still not seeing anything better from default online?

What's funny is your still the only one thats having the issue really.
You've tested Jarrods now too lol. Wow!

What on earth are you talking about? I did test the ratings, i told you that a while ago. Do you require a video of that too? I havent tested Jarrod's sliders on all-madden yet, when did i say i did?

Your trolling is not necessary. You've already made your point that it works for you, ive already made my point that it doesnt work for me. Im interested in discussing with people to find possible theories for why it works for some and not for others. If you're not gonna help with that then i dont need to continue debating with you.

[N51_rob]

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IMO game needs to have the same C/OG combo blocks they have in the running game, in the passing game. DE's speed needs to be better represented if I have a DE with 80+ speed he should be able to almost always get to the outside shoulder of a 50- speed OT, from there hand fighting and rating should be better represented.

[DarthRambo]

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This is a complete game breaker imo...the fact that I can't get no more than 5 sacks for an entire season with Demarcus Ware pisses me off more than anything. I refuse to buy another Madden game until this is fixed becuase it's been going on since the beginning. Instead of the team giving us new things every year, how bout they fix the bs that doesn't work first.

[Jarodd21]

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This is a complete game breaker imo...the fact that I can't get no more than 5 sacks for an entire season with Demarcus Ware pisses me off more than anything. I refuse to buy another Madden game until this is fixed becuase it's been going on since the beginning. Instead of the team giving us new things every year, how bout they fix the bs that doesn't work first.

You have to mix in some blitzes with Ware, flip him to the other side where Spencer is on some packages, spread him out wide so he can get off the edge, lower your threshold to 0 if you are playing with the threshold higher so he can blow by slower tackles. My friend who uses the Cowboys gets plenty of sacks with Ware and Spencer throughout his franchise. You just have to be creative. I'm not saying that this isn't an issue because it is and it needs to definitely be tweaked but there is ways to get Ware sacks if others are doing it..

[DarthRambo]

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You have to mix in some blitzes with Ware, flip him to the other side where Spencer is on some packages, spread him out wide so he can get off the edge, lower your threshold to 0 if you are playing with the threshold higher so he can blow by slower tackles. My friend who uses the Cowboys gets plenty of sacks with Ware and Spencer throughout his franchise. You just have to be creative. I'm not saying that this isn't an issue because it is and it needs to definitely be tweaked but there is ways to get Ware sacks if others are doing it..

I'll try the threshold at zero thing but I hate how it effects the offensive side of the ball...and I do flip him on the other side sometimes, that doesn't chang anything really. I should average a little over 1 sack per game with Ware to be honest. He has 16 now ir with two games to play, will I ever see those numbers playing all 16 games in a season? The answer is no. More like, HELL NO. Like I said, it's a complete game breaker to me, but that's just me.

[dfos81]

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You have to mix in some blitzes with Ware, flip him to the other side where Spencer is on some packages, spread him out wide so he can get off the edge, lower your threshold to 0 if you are playing with the threshold higher so he can blow by slower tackles. My friend who uses the Cowboys gets plenty of sacks with Ware and Spencer throughout his franchise. You just have to be creative. I'm not saying that this isn't an issue because it is and it needs to definitely be tweaked but there is ways to get Ware sacks if others are doing it..

Exactly, most LTs are higher rated than the RTs in some key areas.
PBS(Passblk strngth)
PBF(Passblk footwork)
IBL( impact blocking)

So if the RTs are rated lower in these areas your obviously going to see the RTs allowing more pressures and sacks.

In real life Trent Williams didn't allow a sack from D. Ware. They are both closely rated when comparing the above ratings to D. Wares PMV, FMV, and BSH.
So it was usually a stalemate when these two battle. Same thing in Madden.

Now I flip D Ware to the RT side and he is causing pressures, sacks, etc.

Next time a defensive player beats the O-lineman, compare these ratings above, and ask yourself. Self, does the ratings warrant this?
9 times out of 10 you'll see the lesser rated O-lineman getting beat.
So now you have to scheme more to get players involved in sacks and pressures, etc.

It's more strategy of attacking the weak link. Not just spreading your lineman and expecting to see a ton of sacks by D. Ware.
Put the LTs ratings on 0 and see if D. Ware can get any sacks.

BTW R. Kerrigan leads my team in sacks and he's mainly always facing the RT, Te, and or HB/fb.
So if I compare those ratings, now I understand why Kerrigan seems more dominate than Orakpo.

[Jarodd21]

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I'll try the threshold at zero thing but I hate how it effects the offensive side of the ball...and I do flip him on the other side sometimes, that doesn't chang anything really. I should average a little over 1 sack per game with Ware to be honest. He has 16 now ir with two games to play, will I ever see those numbers playing all 16 games in a season? The answer is no. More like, HELL NO. Like I said, it's a complete game breaker to me, but that's just me.

Also spread him out wide so he can get off the edge against slower tackles.. What plays are you calling to get him pressure? There are plenty of blitz packages that will get Ware the sacks you are looking for especially in 3-4 playbooks.. You just have to be creative and lowering the threshold to 0 will definitely help you with the sacks. Also where do you have the CPUs pass block at and what level is you playing on or what sliders are you using?

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Exactly, most LTs are higher rated than the RTs in some key areas.
PBS(Passblk strngth)
PBF(Passblk footwork)
IBL( impact blocking)

So if the RTs are rated lower in these areas your obviously going to see the RTs allowing more pressures and sacks.

In real life Trent Williams didn't allow a sack from D. Ware. They are both closely rated when comparing the above ratings to D. Wares PMV, FMV, and BSH.
So it was usually a stalemate when these two battle. Same thing in Madden.

Now I flip D Ware to the RT side and he is causing pressures, sacks, etc.

Next time a defensive player beats the O-lineman, compare these ratings above, and ask yourself. Self, does the ratings warrant this?
9 times out of 10 you'll see the lesser rated O-lineman getting beat.
So now you have to scheme more to get players involved in sacks and pressures, etc.

It's more strategy of attacking the weak link. Not just spreading your lineman and expecting to see a ton of sacks by D. Ware.
Put the LTs ratings on 0 and see if D. Ware can get any sacks.

BTW R. Kerrigan leads my team in sacks and he's mainly always facing the RT, Te, and or HB/fb.
So if I compare those ratings, now I understand why Kerrigan seems more dominate than Orakpo.

Forgot to mention but this should go w/o saying but also sliders, schemes, etc play a part too.

[CRMosier_LM]

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This right here i find very interesting. Ive been trying to come up with theories for why people get realistic DE sacks. I was thinking that maybe its because people set up the sliders in a way that gives the QB unrealistic time in the pocket.

The other day while testing i noticed that when the CPU QB has alot of time in the pocket, the DE are the ones who get there... but it takes a very long time, so i decided not to play that way.

So are people who get realistic DE sacks doing so because their pass rush is very ineffective?

There are no sliders for online franchise. Just default

[KBLover]

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You just have to be creative. I'm not saying that this isn't an issue because it is and it needs to definitely be tweaked but there is ways to get Ware sacks if others are doing it..

That's the problem, though.

A stud - you shouldn't need to get too creative with - you just line him up, put him in at a good angle and his ability and technique should carry the day.

When I converted Taylor Mays to an OLB - yeah, I need to get creative to get him to be a free runner so his 95 SPD can blitz through and not his poor rush moves to have to fight through blocking. Someone like Suggs/Ware should be able to fight through blocking/push the pocket to create pressure.

How creative are teams with someone like Suh? Just line him up and go. Same with watching Aldon Smith tonight.

Plus, sacks aren't the whole story. If you get Ware free once a game, he can get his sacks, but how much pressure is he generating? It's too much all or nothing.

[Jarodd21]

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That's the problem, though.

A stud - you shouldn't need to get too creative with - you just line him up, put him in at a good angle and his ability and technique should carry the day.

When I converted Taylor Mays to an OLB - yeah, I need to get creative to get him to be a free runner so his 95 SPD can blitz through and not his poor rush moves to have to fight through blocking. Someone like Suggs/Ware should be able to fight through blocking/push the pocket to create pressure.

How creative are teams with someone like Suh? Just line him up and go. Same with watching Aldon Smith tonight.

Plus, sacks aren't the whole story. If you get Ware free once a game, he can get his sacks, but how much pressure is he generating? It's too much all or nothing.

I'm not disputing this is an issue with the game and players like him should be disruptive regardless but there is ways to get him going off the edge and get his sacks.. I just feel there shouldn't be an excuse for him not getting more then 12-15 sacks a season. You just have to be creative instead of folding it in because he's not getting sacks from the defensive scheme you are currently calling.. The Cowboys are very creative with Ware in real life. He comes off the edge on both sides, and they send him up the middle sometimes. I get way too many sacks with my LBs and so do my friends who use 3-4 teams, and so do many guys who use my sliders.

I'm just simply pointing out you can get him his sacks with no problem if you take the time to figure out how to get him going.. Simple blitz plays like 3-4 pinch and 2-4-5 overstorm brave will get Ware and Spencer a decent amount of sacks by spreading them out along with having the threshold at 0. I just wanted to throw out some tips to guys who are struggling getting sacks with stud players like that. I refuse to let my stud pass rushers not be a factor.