Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

[PantherBeast_OS]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

This has been discussed ad-nauseum on this site and around all other communities. It's a major flaw that's been in Madden for a long time. It's what prevents people from stepping up in the pocket and instead they drop back 25 yards. The pressure ALWAYS comes from up the middle. The only way to free your elite DEs is to blitz and set it up so that it frees up one of your ends. The one thing I am confident of is that this issue will NEVER be fixed, like the 100 other problems with the game that have existed for the last 10 years that get ignored. So instead, we get to look at that same silly shrug off animation constantly happen when the defensive tackle shakes the center and crushes the QB right when he's about to unload the ball.

I'm sure this issue can be fixed if the head guys at EA would allow the Madden crew more time on fixing these current issues instead of trying to add new stuff to the game just to draw in more customers every single year. Why I love them adding new stuff to franchise mode and presentation every year. I wheather put up with the same stuff this coming year, So long as alot of the current problems with Madden was finally fixed to make the game much more fun.

[LaW97]

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Yep, it's been that way since at least Madden 10.

no no no good sir

I know this problem of LE dominance to go back as far as madden 06 on last gen systems.

so if it goes back to 06,im pretty sure it dates back further because all those games had the same core.

i remember it fondly because it felt like cheating. every time i needed a sack in a key situation i would jus DL shift right and watch the LE blow by the RT(most the time untouched).

[LionsFanNJ]

The left/right thing goes back to PS2 days. This DT **** is anotrher FUBAR pass rush element thay gets added on top of the previous RDE rush issue

The pass rush priority forf every team no matter the ratings is DT>>>>>RDE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LDE. That's just the way it is and in a "simulation" game that is absolutely atrocious. I literally have the worst rated DEs I can find in one of my franchises because they're utterly useless.

[dfos81]

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It's been an issue for as long as I've played Madden on the Playstation 1, 2, and 3.
I don't recall this in my Sega Madden days though lol.

It can be tweaked to have more realistic pass rushing, pockets, etc. It's on in how you setup your sliders. Doesn't mean its not an issue that EA should ignore. Or @ least give us some info on how all can fix it.

[BlackJackRabbit]

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I'm sure this issue can be fixed if the head guys at EA would allow the Madden crew more time on fixing these current issues instead of trying to add new stuff to the game just to draw in more customers every single year. Why I love them adding new stuff to franchise mode and presentation every year. I wheather put up with the same stuff this coming year, So long as alot of the current problems with Madden was finally fixed to make the game much more fun.

Even with all the added new stuff in the game, it's been an issue for years;there's no excuse for it to have not been fixed.

In all honesty you would think that an issue like this would be a patchable issue.

[GiantBlue76]

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I'm sure this issue can be fixed if the head guys at EA would allow the Madden crew more time on fixing these current issues instead of trying to add new stuff to the game just to draw in more customers every single year. Why I love them adding new stuff to franchise mode and presentation every year. I wheather put up with the same stuff this coming year, So long as alot of the current problems with Madden was finally fixed to make the game much more fun.

More time? Are you serious? In 7 years we still don't even have all of the features or gameplay elements we had on the last generation. More time my ***. How about more effort??? Imagine that.

[GameTape]

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Im glad you guys are aware of this issue.

I believe EA would fix it, if it was a priority to them. They need to see threads like this and realize the areas that need to be improved.

[roadman]

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Im glad you guys are aware of this issue.

I believe EA would fix it, if it was a priority to them. They need to see threads like this and realize the areas that need to be improved.

They have, as you said, other things have higher priority to them. Stuff like this isn't a back of box feature.

[GameTape]

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They have, as you said, other things have higher priority to them. Stuff like this isn't a back of box feature.

But it could be. Just like tackling has been much improved from previous years and was used as a back of the box feature, they could promote "brand new pass rush physics". I have hope.

[KBLover]

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They have, as you said, other things have higher priority to them. Stuff like this isn't a back of box feature.

And I think that's what's wrong with gaming now.

Everything is about what you can put on the box instead of making the game really solid.

Seems like the industry in general is going to a "sell it at 75% completion and use patches" mentality. Now that consoles can download (unlike back in the SNES days), they've adopted this philosophy as well.

[Senator Palmer]

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With all the record-breaking passing we're seeing around the NFL, it was quietly turned into a banner year in the NFL for pass rusher's also. We've got multiple guys on pace for Marino's single season passing record, and a few that could sniff Strahan's single season sack record.

Jared Allen - 17.5 sacks
Jason Babin - 15 sacks
Demarcus Ware - 15 sacks
Terrell Suggs - 13 sacks
Jason Pierre-Paul - 12.5 sacks
Chris Long - 12 sacks
Von Miller - 11.5

And that's not even taking into account, pressures, hits on the QB, forced fumbles, etc. I love defense, so those are sexy stats to me, but game changing does happen along the defensive front. It's a glamourous part of the game if you ask me - look at the star Clay Mattews has turned into - and I think something that can be sold to the masses. The interactions along the front have been lagging long enough. Madden 13 should be the year of the pass rusher.

[GameTape]

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Madden 13 should be the year of the pass rusher.

It absolutely should be. They should put one of the elite pass rushers on the cover and market it that way.

This issue makes it no fun for me to play defense, because its impossible to speed rush with any DE, and relying solely on swim/spin moves to apply pressure is no fun nor realistic.

[CRMosier_LM]

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For you guys having issues it has to be your scheme/playcalling. There are thousands of people not having any issues getting sacks or pressure with ends and olb. They are easily surpassing dt production in online franchises. We have compiled the stats of over 800,000 games and they are completely dominated by ends and olbs

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

For you guys having issues it has to be your scheme/playcalling. There are thousands of people not having any issues getting sacks or pressure with ends and olb. They are easily surpassing dt production in online franchises. We have compiled the stats of over 800,000 games and they are completely dominated by ends and olbs

You guys must blitz alot, because blitzing frees up the DE/OLB to get sacks/pressure. We should be able to apply pressure without blitzing.

EDIT: You mentioned compiling stats, im guessing that means for simulated games? Im refering to the games you actually play.

[CRMosier_LM]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

You guys must blitz alot, because blitzing frees up the DE/OLB to get sacks/pressure. We should be able to apply pressure without blitzing.

Thats basically the same thing you see in the nfl
A 3-4 man rush vs 5 dlineman and a hb isn't very good odds. You should expect to get stomewalled with odds like that. Unless you have a monster pass rushed you won't get any sacks like that.