Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Thats basically the same thing you see in the nfl
A 3-4 man rush vs 5 dlineman and a hb isn't very good odds. You should expect to get stomewalled with odds like that. Unless you have a monster pass rushed you won't get any sacks like that.

No its not. In the NFL teams are able to get pressure from DEs without blitzing.

This game works completely backwards in that DTs get as much pressure if not more than DEs. There is no way thats real life.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Lets take a look at the video evidence, shall we?

I apologize for the audio quality, turn your volume down.

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That was a total of 17 dropbacks...
Amount of times DT reached QB alone: 8
Amount of times DE reached QB in combination with DT: 9
Amount of times DE reached QB alone: 0..........thats right 0!!!!!!!!

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

This is issue as far as getting a realistic push against the pass block but I get way more sacks with my DEs and OLBs then I do with my DTs.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

This is issue as far as getting a realistic push against the pass block but I get way more sacks with my DEs and OLBs then I do with my DTs.

In simmed games or played games?

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

In simmed games or played games?

These are played games. I don't ever sim games.. All I do is spread my Dline out so they can get off the edge.. Tuck had like 15 sacks for me, Osi had 8, Pierre Paul had 5. M.Austin ,L. Joseph and Canty did have about 3 or 4 each I believe..

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

These are played games. I don't ever sim games.. All I do is spread my Dline out so they can get off the edge.. Tuck had like 15 sacks for me, Osi had 8, Pierre Paul had 5. M.Austin ,L. Joseph and Canty did have about 3 or 4 each I believe..

I can think of 2 possible reasons for why you get good sack totals with DEs:

1) You are controlling the DE yourself and using swim/spin moves. The user has big advantage when doing that over cpu controlled DEs. You simply get to the QB before your DT does.

2) The CPU is keeping a RB and/or TE in to block, and they pick up the busting loose DT.

My complaint is not only about sack totals, but about overall pressure. Its not realistic for DTs to bust through the line on every play.

And when you're on offense, im sure the pass rush looks exactly like the video. The CPU sack totals are still messed up, even if you get realistic sack totals yourself.

[Jarodd21]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I can think of 2 possible reasons for why you get good sack totals with DEs:

1) You are controlling the DE yourself and using swim/spin moves. The user has big advantage when doing that over cpu controlled DEs. You simply get to the QB before your DT does.

2) The CPU is keeping a RB and/or TE in to block, and they pick up the busting loose DT.

My complaint is not only about sack totals, but about overall pressure. Its not realistic for DTs to bust through the line on every play.

And when you're on offense, im sure the pass rush looks exactly like the video. The CPU sack totals are still messed up, even if you get realistic sack totals yourself.

I never control a Dlineman. I suck at it. I get thrown around everytime. Haha! I control an LB or safety but I hear what you saying man..

[LaW97]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

this issue is not that big to me anymore

***I FOUND THE RIGHT SLIDERS FOR MY GAME***

I would have to say its a combination of pass rush/pass block sliders and priority sliders. I have OLB/DE/T all at 0 priority. Im gettin sacks with my RDE and seeing the cpu do so as well. I tell ya. I've never been so happy to get sacked before. I was playing the Cowboys and Ware came up and sacked me twice in the game REALISTICALLY.
the next game I played the eagles and Trent Cole and Babin got good pressure and sacks all game. I was kinda amazed.

Have hope good fellows. This issue can be fixed if you play with sliders.

[CRMosier_LM]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I can think of 2 possible reasons for why you get good sack totals with DEs:

1) You are controlling the DE yourself and using swim/spin moves. The user has big advantage when doing that over cpu controlled DEs. You simply get to the QB before your DT does.

2) The CPU is keeping a RB and/or TE in to block, and they pick up the busting loose DT.

My complaint is not only about sack totals, but about overall pressure. Its not realistic for DTs to bust through the line on every play.

And when you're on offense, im sure the pass rush looks exactly like the video. The CPU sack totals are still messed up, even if you get realistic sack totals yourself.

I control FS and my re Jabaal Sheard finished with 17 sacks, le Marcus Bernard had 11,
Once again do you ever think it may be your playcalling and or stunts/shifts? I'm working with Millennium on posting the stats on here for over 800,000 games being played. That should give a pretty good idea correct? Out of the top 35 sack artists in online franchise only 4 are dt. Out of all full seasons that have been syncd only 5.71% of the time is it a dt that leads the league. 45.71% of the time it is de and 42.86% of the time its olb. Just for reference.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I control FS and my re Jabaal Sheard finished with 17 sacks, le Marcus Bernard had 11,
Once again do you ever think it may be your playcalling and or stunts/shifts? I'm working with Millennium on posting the stats on here for over 800,000 games being played. That should give a pretty good idea correct? Out of the top 35 sack artists in online franchise only 4 are dt. Out of all full seasons that have been syncd only 5.71% of the time is it a dt that leads the league. 45.71% of the time it is de and 42.86% of the time its olb. Just for reference.

Playcalling isnt the reason because im referring to the 4-man pass rush, for both me & cpu.

Did you see the video i posted? I provided visual evidence, statistical evidence...and im not the only one who has complained about this issue.

You and others are getting realistic sack totals...and im not quite sure why...but it doesnt mean everything is fine...this is still an issue.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Also, Jarodd, didn't you say in your slider thread that you blitz about 50-60 % of the time? I think Gametape's issue is the lack of production when you're just bringing a base rush.

CRMosier_LM
Thats basically the same thing you see in the nfl
A 3-4 man rush vs 5 dlineman and a hb isn't very good odds. You should expect to get stomewalled with odds like that. Unless you have a monster pass rushed you won't get any sacks like that.

Just a little nugget to throw out there. The Eagles are #2 in the NFL in sacks with 42. Going into a matchup a few weeks ago, Juan Castillo only blitzed on 15.3% of pass plays. In a matchup against the Cowboys, he only brought pressure on 2 out of 40 pass plays and they still finished the game with 4 sacks. The Vikings are #3 with 40 and they've never been a high blitzing team with Leslie Frazier.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Also, Jarodd, didn't you say in your slider thread that you blitz about 50-60 % of the time? I think Gametape's issue is the lack of production when you're just bringing a base rush.

Yes, thats exactly what im saying.

And if Jarodd blitzes alot, that is very logical reason for why he gets good DE sack totals, because blitzing frees up the DEs. Probably same reason why many online get good sack totals, if they blitz or user control the DEs.

Honestly, i dont see how anyone can watch the video i posted and not agree something is wrong.

Front 4 pass rush is broken in this game. Its the reason i dont play the game anymore.

[pegout]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Yes, thats exactly what im saying.

And if Jarodd blitzes alot, that is very logical reason for why he gets good DE sack totals, because blitzing frees up the DEs. Probably same reason why many online get good sack totals, if they blitz or user control the DEs.

Honestly, i dont see how anyone can watch the video i posted and not agree something is wrong.

its because noone using the same sliders as you. i very rarely get sacks with my dt, they barly get pressure ethier. most my sacks come from de's and my olb's.(i run a 3-4)i play on 15 min Q and play every game my leading sacker was my de with 15 my rlb had 12 my llb had 6 and my dt had 3 all year

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

this issue is not that big to me anymore

***I FOUND THE RIGHT SLIDERS FOR MY GAME***

I would have to say its a combination of pass rush/pass block sliders and priority sliders. I have OLB/DE/T all at 0 priority. Im gettin sacks with my RDE and seeing the cpu do so as well. I tell ya. I've never been so happy to get sacked before. I was playing the Cowboys and Ware came up and sacked me twice in the game REALISTICALLY.
the next game I played the eagles and Trent Cole and Babin got good pressure and sacks all game. I was kinda amazed.

Have hope good fellows. This issue can be fixed if you play with sliders.

Yeah thats a good setup to get more edge pressure 0 priority on those pos. OLB/DE/T
I keep the 100 priority for Guards and Center. You can also lower the DTs priority if you want him to be less disruptive.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

its because noone using the same sliders as you. i very rarely get sacks with my dt, they barly get pressure ethier. most my sacks come from de's and my olb's.(i run a 3-4)i play on 15 min Q and play every game my leading sacker was my de with 15 my rlb had 12 my llb had 6 and my dt had 3 all year

My video was on default sliders.