Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

[salty222]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

With the speed threshold at 0 all you'll see in game play is drags, streaks and slants. While you are correct, there are certain plays to stop these, there are also things you can't if you just don't have the speed on D to compensate. With Zone coverage being garbage in madden '13 this year, forget about using Zone.

This is the first year in running our LG that we are trying out sliders and to be honest I have never liked them. It just opens up a whole can of worms. "I think you should raise this by 1 and lower than one by 3." Every team is built with different players and a different owner controlling them. How you adjust the slider will naturally give one guy a better advantage over another. If you build sliders for speed then a team like the Raiders will dominate, which would not happen in real life. It's looking like we are just gonna roll with All-Pro and let the creative minds of each owner determine the outcome like always.

I do appreciate all the work you have put into this. It benefits the Madden Community a ton.

[salty222]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

I was playing another commish in our league for the first half. Played him again with the speed adjusted to 25. The speed thing was a little better but it seemed the pass rush was off. With it being at 86 and pass blocking so low, it was a sack party for both of us.

I think there is most def a place for sliders. I personally just don't have the time nor the desire to sit and tweek each one. Cause if you change one slider by 1 point, you affect all the other sliders and thus all the other teams. I think EA should pay dudes from the community to mess with sliders and create Slider Presets.

"Speed"
"Pass Rush"
"Running Games"
"Balanced"
"Pass happy"
etc...

[quan15]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

I was playing another commish in our league for the first half. Played him again with the speed adjusted to 25. The speed thing was a little better but it seemed the pass rush was off. With it being at 86 and pass blocking so low, it was a sack party for both of us.

I think there is most def a place for sliders. I personally just don't have the time nor the desire to sit and tweek each one. Cause if you change one slider by 1 point, you affect all the other sliders and thus all the other teams. I think EA should pay dudes from the community to mess with sliders and create Slider Presets.

"Speed"
"Pass Rush"
"Running Games"
"Balanced"
"Pass happy"
etc...

Oh ok, well in order to keep from have a "sack party" against another user there needs to be adjustments such as using extra blockers for blitzes. I am glad you got back to me with which mode you were playing in. I have solved the whole "speed" issue with regards to your comments. Am a little tired which is why I am taking so long to finish up here but I do want them up so if still care for them I will be posting it. Thanks for the feedback.

[salty222]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

Yeah na man we know how football works. We were labbing and sending 6 rushers against 5 man, 6 man, 7 man protections. While 7 man protections were better by far, we were still able to generate pressure pretty easily and rack up the sacs. Not sure if it was an AI issue or a slider issue being that the pass rush was set so high and the pass blocking was set so low. I like the thinking behind it as a pass rush is what is needed in this version of Madden since zone coverage stinks so bad.

To be honest I just think the sliders always come down to personal preference. There are a many sliders posted here on Operation Sports. All say, "These are the most realistic sliders around." All the guys give reason as to why they are qualified to put out the most realistic sliders. Not a knock against what you guys are doing by no means either. Just seems to be the truth of the matter. I know for our league it might just be easier to have it on all-pro and call it good. We rarely have a Human vs CPU game so it works nice. All-Madden seems broken this year unlike previous years.

I do know a lot of legit leagues use sliders and swear by them so what you do is very valued and needed within the Madden Community. We host a weekly radio show and if you ever wanted to come on our show to discuss sliders and the process you put into making them, that would be cool. We broadcast Friday nights at 11pm est. Hit me up via a private message if you would like.

Again, thanks for all the hard work you do.

[King Gro23]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

Been reading through your thread Quan and we have pretty much same type of sliders as ratios go. You have a low threshold and I have a higher threshold (60) Speed will prevail on my set but not to the point where it just becomes a speed show only. Our Pass coverage vs QB theory and slider set up are also very similar. I see the exact same things in my set I love how Dynamic it makes the CPU QB. I have CPU accuracy at 65 to compensate with my sets coverage.
Our break tackle 60's vs takle (50's) are also hand in hand lol Pass Rush vs Pass block are also spot on to mine you just have generally lower values but similar type of ratio's so I think we are on to something.

Are You sure you didnt test my sliders and love them then come up with minor tweaks? haha Hmm similar minds ehh?

[quan15]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

Been reading through your thread Quan and we have pretty much same type of sliders as ratios go. You have a low threshold and I have a higher threshold (60) Speed will prevail on my set but not to the point where it just becomes a speed show only. Our Pass coverage vs QB theory and slider set up are also very similar. I see the exact same things in my set I love how Dynamic it makes the CPU QB. I have CPU accuracy at 65 to compensate with my sets coverage.
Our break tackle 60's vs takle (50's) are also hand in hand lol Pass Rush vs Pass block are also spot on to mine you just have generally lower values but similar type of ratio's so I think we are on to something.

Are You sure you didnt test my sliders and love them then come up with minor tweaks? haha Hmm similar minds ehh?

Haha definitely didn't steal your sliders. Pretty sure I never knew you existed until you wrote on this thread, but that is strange though I will say.

[patriotway]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

This game turned out differently than I expected (apart from the loss). Although the Chargers(cpu) still weren't able to establish a running game , R. Mathews was able to break off a 37 yard TD run (mainly because of the poor pursuit angle I took playing as a linebacker). I had more success running the ball initially, but had to throw more as the game went on as I fell behind early.

The Chargers attempted more big passing plays down field. One big one to M. Floyd gave the Chargers a two possession lead (although the play was a result of the coverage bug where defenders take a step forward when player attempts to execute a d-lineman move).

<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">San Diego Chargers at New England Patriots</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, </td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>San Diego Chargers (CPU)</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">28</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>New England Patriots (ME)</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">23</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">SDG</td><td align="center" width="20%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">375</td><td align="center">359</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">78</td><td align="center">84</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">297</td><td align="center">275</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">22</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">15</td><td align="center">42</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">83</td><td align="center">112</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">473</td><td align="center">513</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">10-16</td><td align="center">4-11</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">1-2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">0-1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">2/0</td><td align="center">2/1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">2-21</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">28:21</td><td align="center">31:39</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="4">Scoring Summary</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FIRST QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">4:51</td><td width="70%">(SDG) M.Floyd 5 yd pass from P. Rivers</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:03</td><td width="70%">(NWE) S. Ridley 1 yd run</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">SECOND QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">11:53</td><td width="70%">(SDG) R. Mathews 1 yd run</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">5:41</td><td width="70%">(NWE) S. Gostkowski 25 yd FG</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">10</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">THIRD QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">11:35</td><td width="70%">(SDG) R. Mathews 37 yd run</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">10</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">4:58</td><td width="70%">(NWE) B. Lloyd 26 yd pass from T. Brady (two point conversion failed)</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">16</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FOURTH QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">5:55</td><td width="70%">(SDG) M.Floyd 51 yd pass from P. Rivers</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">16</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">1:56</td><td width="70%">(NWE) R. Gronkowski 1 yd pass from T. Brady</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">23</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" width="575"><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0B264D" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">San Diego Chargers</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Brady</td><td align="right">35/45</td><td align="right">297</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Ridley</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Brady </td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-2</td><td align="right">-2.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>W. Welker</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">90</td><td align="right">8.1</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Gronkowski</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">83</td><td align="right">9.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Hernandez</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">52</td><td align="right">5.7</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>B. Lloyd</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">76</td><td align="right">15.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Ridley</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-4</td><td align="right">-4.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Wendell</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>N. Solder</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. Connolly</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>S. Vollmer</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. hightower</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>B. Spikes</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Mayo</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>P. Chung</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Gregory</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Ninkovich</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>V. Wilfork</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Arrington</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Love</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Scott</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Gostkowski</td><td align="right">1/1</td><td align="right">2/2</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right">26</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Z. Mesko</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">196</td><td align="right">49</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Slater</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. McCourty</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">85</td><td align="right">21.2</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Edelman</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">10.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0D254C" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">New England Patriots</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>P. Rivers</td><td align="right">17/24</td><td align="right">318</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Mathews</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">70</td><td align="right">2.5</td><td align="right">2</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Brown</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">3.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>L. McClain</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Gates</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">14.7</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>M. Floyd</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">116</td><td align="right">29.0</td><td align="right">2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Mathews</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">3.3</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Meachem</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">79</td><td align="right">26.3</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>E. Royal</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">56</td><td align="right">28.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>L. McClain</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-2</td><td align="right">-2.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>L. Vasquez</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Green</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>N. Hardwick</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Clary</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. Butler</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>E. Weddle</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Q. Jammer</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>A. Cason</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Spikes </td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Johnson</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Bigby</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>C. Luiget</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>V. Martin</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>M. Gilchrist</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>N. Kaeding</td><td align="right">0/1</td><td align="right">4/4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Scifres</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">179</td><td align="right">44.7</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Goodman</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">56</td><td align="right">28.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>M. Spurlock</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">27.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>E.Royal</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>

Sacks didn't seem to be an issue this time around which is a good thing. In order to determine if that was an issue from the sliders or just how the game played out I didn't change any of the slider settings and won't due so for another game or two. Also, even though I think the Chargers offense would tend to pass more I was behind for the entire game so I won't make a big deal out of it.

In the end the game felt more competitive (maybe this is due to the cpu team I chose). In order for me to determine whether or not the difficulties that the cpu has running is because of the sliders or the the teams chosen I'll chose another team the next time I play. These sliders seem great though. My question is are these sliders for play now games, ccm or both?

[King Gro23]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

Haha definitely didn't steal your sliders. Pretty sure I never knew you existed until you wrote on this thread, but that is strange though I will say.

I was kidding about stealing them, I could care less as long as people are playing good games like both you & I seem to be having. I really do think we are setting the tone for different style of wide open gameplay that is realistic! While imrpoving alot of the IE flaws. I havent found anybody else with sets like ours but hey it feels real and they feel good. On Box scores they look good but check out some highlights I posted in my thread with 60 threshold, and I play on very slow but when you get playing it doesnt look like its play on very slow, Highlights look very NFL speed IMO. but I like your set as well just finished up a game. Just scared to knock that threshold down to 0

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

I was kidding about stealing them, I could care less as long as people are playing good games like both you & I seem to be having. I really do think we are setting the tone for different style of wide open gameplay that is realistic! While imrpoving alot of the IE flaws. I havent found anybody else with sets like ours but hey it feels real and they feel good. On Box scores they look good but check out some highlights I posted in my thread with 60 threshold, and I play on very slow but when you get playing it doesnt look like its play on very slow, Highlights look very NFL speed IMO. but I like your set as well just finished up a game. Just scared to knock that threshold down to 0

^What do the short (-5yrds)) to intermediate routes (5-10yrds) look like on your sliders, King? What is your pocket vision and running back vision like on your 60 versus Quan's 0?

[King Gro23]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

Hanzsomehanz: I dont want this to turn into a hijack so if you'd like to discuss please do so in my thread but to answer your question:
Short routes 5 yards & under (Not including drags or slants) are just sure check downs I'd say 9 out of 10 completions if pass is thrown. If it's covered depends on players ratings (CIT) but after check down team reacts quick so check downs get check down yardage.


Intermediate routes in man are Mcov vs route running as well as QB. elites will throw them open, Non elites might hold ball or might risk pass. I'd say they get covered well but there will be completions 50/50 Zones are active also you have to fit the passes in zone separation windows. Guys dont stay open for long, trajectory and timing are key.
Here example of nice man coverage:

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here is CPU throwing WR open:

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High profile player making play on intermediate routes:

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Running back vision smaller holes are there for human but you can squeeze through them. Gaping holes may be there as well just depends on play calls and pre snap alignments. If there is daylight you can squeeze through it will just take some creative smart instintive stick skill. Since higher threshold windows gaps and hole close sooner/ quicker plus my reaction is up higher already across the board. Here's example:

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[quan15]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

I was kidding about stealing them, I could care less as long as people are playing good games like both you & I seem to be having. I really do think we are setting the tone for different style of wide open gameplay that is realistic! While imrpoving alot of the IE flaws. I havent found anybody else with sets like ours but hey it feels real and they feel good. On Box scores they look good but check out some highlights I posted in my thread with 60 threshold, and I play on very slow but when you get playing it doesnt look like its play on very slow, Highlights look very NFL speed IMO. but I like your set as well just finished up a game. Just scared to knock that threshold down to 0

Yea I know man was just kidding around but I do think we are on to something here, finishing up tweaks a bit for ccm but they aren't outrageously different then the ones for play now (though I've tweaked those slightly also). Really think for anyone who even remotely enjoyed these sliders will be thoroughly pleased with the ones I'm going to post.

I will say that I do honestly believe that virtually everyone wishes they could have realism in gameplay while keeping the threshold at 0 to reflect speed in the most authentic way possible and I believe I may have achieved that. Only a matter of time until people realize it is possible.

[quan15]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

This game turned out differently than I expected (apart from the loss). Although the Chargers(cpu) still weren't able to establish a running game , R. Mathews was able to break off a 37 yard TD run (mainly because of the poor pursuit angle I took playing as a linebacker). I had more success running the ball initially, but had to throw more as the game went on as I fell behind early.

The Chargers attempted more big passing plays down field. One big one to M. Floyd gave the Chargers a two possession lead (although the play was a result of the coverage bug where defenders take a step forward when player attempts to execute a d-lineman move).

<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">San Diego Chargers at New England Patriots</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, </td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>San Diego Chargers (CPU)</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">28</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>New England Patriots (ME)</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">23</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">SDG</td><td align="center" width="20%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">375</td><td align="center">359</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">78</td><td align="center">84</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">297</td><td align="center">275</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">22</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">15</td><td align="center">42</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">83</td><td align="center">112</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">473</td><td align="center">513</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">10-16</td><td align="center">4-11</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">1-2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">0-1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">2/0</td><td align="center">2/1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">2-21</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">28:21</td><td align="center">31:39</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="4">Scoring Summary</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FIRST QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">4:51</td><td width="70%">(SDG) M.Floyd 5 yd pass from P. Rivers</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:03</td><td width="70%">(NWE) S. Ridley 1 yd run</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">SECOND QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">11:53</td><td width="70%">(SDG) R. Mathews 1 yd run</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">5:41</td><td width="70%">(NWE) S. Gostkowski 25 yd FG</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">10</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">THIRD QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">11:35</td><td width="70%">(SDG) R. Mathews 37 yd run</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">10</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">4:58</td><td width="70%">(NWE) B. Lloyd 26 yd pass from T. Brady (two point conversion failed)</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">16</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FOURTH QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">SDG</td><td align="right" width="10%">NWE</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">5:55</td><td width="70%">(SDG) M.Floyd 51 yd pass from P. Rivers</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">16</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">1:56</td><td width="70%">(NWE) R. Gronkowski 1 yd pass from T. Brady</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">23</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" width="575"><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0B264D" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">San Diego Chargers</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Brady</td><td align="right">35/45</td><td align="right">297</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Ridley</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Brady </td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-2</td><td align="right">-2.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>W. Welker</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">90</td><td align="right">8.1</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Gronkowski</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">83</td><td align="right">9.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Hernandez</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">52</td><td align="right">5.7</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>B. Lloyd</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">76</td><td align="right">15.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Ridley</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-4</td><td align="right">-4.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Wendell</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>N. Solder</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. Connolly</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>S. Vollmer</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. hightower</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>B. Spikes</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Mayo</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>P. Chung</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Gregory</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Ninkovich</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>V. Wilfork</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Arrington</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Love</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Scott</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Gostkowski</td><td align="right">1/1</td><td align="right">2/2</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right">26</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Z. Mesko</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">196</td><td align="right">49</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Slater</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. McCourty</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">85</td><td align="right">21.2</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Edelman</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">10.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#0D254C" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">New England Patriots</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>P. Rivers</td><td align="right">17/24</td><td align="right">318</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Mathews</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">70</td><td align="right">2.5</td><td align="right">2</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Brown</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">3.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>L. McClain</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Gates</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">14.7</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>M. Floyd</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">116</td><td align="right">29.0</td><td align="right">2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Mathews</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">3.3</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Meachem</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">79</td><td align="right">26.3</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>E. Royal</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">56</td><td align="right">28.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>L. McClain</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-2</td><td align="right">-2.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>L. Vasquez</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Green</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>N. Hardwick</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Clary</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. Butler</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>E. Weddle</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Q. Jammer</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>A. Cason</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Spikes </td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Johnson</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Bigby</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>C. Luiget</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>V. Martin</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>M. Gilchrist</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>N. Kaeding</td><td align="right">0/1</td><td align="right">4/4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Scifres</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">179</td><td align="right">44.7</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>R. Goodman</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">56</td><td align="right">28.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>M. Spurlock</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">27.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>E.Royal</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>

Sacks didn't seem to be an issue this time around which is a good thing. In order to determine if that was an issue from the sliders or just how the game played out I didn't change any of the slider settings and won't due so for another game or two. Also, even though I think the Chargers offense would tend to pass more I was behind for the entire game so I won't make a big deal out of it.

In the end the game felt more competitive (maybe this is due to the cpu team I chose). In order for me to determine whether or not the difficulties that the cpu has running is because of the sliders or the the teams chosen I'll chose another team the next time I play. These sliders seem great though. My question is are these sliders for play now games, ccm or both?

Thanks again man really really appreciate that you're posting stats and giving feedback as a way to solidify that I'm not completely off with my logic when it comes to sliders (despite some people not liking my reasoning for why I feel I have an advantage with them lol).

These sliders can be used in ccm but I will admit that it is a bit "raw" because ccm does play somewhat different from play now but as I have stated before definitely not to the extent that I've seen people on here suggesting. If you have the wrong formula then ehhh ok I can see the big issue but if fundamentally the sliders have a good foundation (objective) then unless we are comparing to different football games it shouldn't be sooo different. Will be posting soon (though I have said this already) sorry for the wait just have been a little busy today with classes and stuff. Thanks again though!!

[King Gro23]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

Yea I tested some on play now and it isnt really much I would change . CCM and Play now play pretty close to similar with my set but looking foward to see your new set. I think 0 threshold may be able to slide I have a few ideas but I want to test more before I throw numbers out their for either of us. Its more so a formula but yea

[patriotway]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

The game I played was to specifically test whether or not the Texans(cpu) would be able to run the ball. Based off last years totals the Texans were in 2nd in rushing offense and 4th in rushing defense. On the other side the Lions(me) had the leagues 29th ranked rushing offense and 23rd ranked rushing defense. The game didn't play out that way exactly though.

I struggled in the first half as the Lions and the the Texans weren't able to run the ball all game long. Even though the Texans struggled running the ball they went into half time with a 17-7 lead (due in part to the Lions offense struggle). The third quarter turned into a scoring fest as there was a total of 31 points scored (21 by the Lions and 10 from the Texans). Going into the fourth quarter the Lions had a 1 point lead and increased it to eight on a 1 yd touchdown run by K. Smith. Even though the Texans were down in the fourth quarter they continued to run the ball, without much success. In the end the Lions completed the come from behind victory.
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">Houston Texans at Detroit Lions</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, </td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Houston Texans (CPU)</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right" class="active">27</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Detroit Lions (ME)</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">35</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">HOU</td><td align="center" width="20%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">349</td><td align="center">395</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">60</td><td align="center">122</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">289</td><td align="center">273</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">15</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">70</td><td align="center">92</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">136</td><td align="center">143</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">555</td><td align="center">630</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1(+1)</td><td align="center">2(-1)</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">2-13</td><td align="center">7-17</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">1-1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">2/1</td><td align="center">3/0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">2-20</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">30:37</td><td align="center">29:23</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="4">Scoring Summary</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FIRST QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">10:43</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) A. Foster 8 yd run</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">SECOND QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">10:53</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) N. Burleson 9 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:56</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) A. Johnson 13 yd pass from M. Shaub</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:12</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) S. Graham 47 yd FG</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">THIRD QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">11:25</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) K. Williams 3 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">14</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">8:43</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) C. Barwin returned int 38 yds</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">14</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">6:39</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) C. Johnson 54 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">21</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">4:07</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) S. Graham 20 yd FG</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">21</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:48</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) C. Johnson 40 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">28</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FOURTH QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">10:09</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) K. Smith 1 yd run</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">35</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" width="575"><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#03182F" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Houston Texans</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Stafford</td><td align="right">21/34</td><td align="right">302</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Smith</td><td align="right">25</td><td align="right">87</td><td align="right">3.4</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Williams</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">4.8</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Stafford</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">3.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Young</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Pettigrew</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">108</td><td align="right">15.4</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>N. Burleson</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>C. Johnson</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">127</td><td align="right">31.7</td><td align="right">2</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Williams</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1.5</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Scheffler</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">11.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Young</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">8.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Smith</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">10.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>G. Cherilus</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Sims</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Backus</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>S. Peterman</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Tulloch</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>E. Coleman</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Bentley</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>N. Suh</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>C. Avril</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Durant</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>L. Delmas</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. Levy</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Hanson</td><td align="right">0/0</td><td align="right">5/5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Graham</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">381</td><td align="right">47.6</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Logan</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">143</td><td align="right">23.8</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Logan</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">92</td><td align="right">10.2</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#006DB0" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Detroit Lions</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Schaub</td><td align="right">19/22</td><td align="right">308</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Foster</td><td align="right">31</td><td align="right">61</td><td align="right">1.9</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>B. Tate</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-1</td><td align="right">-1.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Walter</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">177</td><td align="right">25.2</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>O. Daniels</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">20</td><td align="right">6.6</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Johnson</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">43</td><td align="right">14.3</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Martin</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">19.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Foster</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">5.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>G. Graham</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">9.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Tate</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">10.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>C. Myers</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. Newton</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>W. Smith</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>A. Caldwell</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Cushing</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. Manning</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Jackson</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>C. Barwin</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>W. Mercilus</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Watt</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Joseph</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Nading</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Graham</td><td align="right">2/2</td><td align="right">3/3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right">47</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. Jones</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">405</td><td align="right">40.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Martin</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">73</td><td align="right">24.3</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Holliday</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">63</td><td align="right">21.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Holliday</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">11.8</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Martin</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">11.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>

With two games since the sack fest that was the first game (Patriots @ Titans) that seems to be more of an anomaly. The only concern I have is the cpu's inability to generate a rushing attack. Another game or two against teams that had potent rushing attacks last season would (and a possible slider adjustment for me) would start to clarify the issue.

Another thing I have to say is even though you did play football and know the inner workings (especially more than I would) Madden doesn't seem to follow some football fundamentals and principles. So trying to apply proper logic to a system that is flawed in those areas might not produce the best results (in my most humble opinion).

Didn't mean to seem like I was rushing you on a slider set for CCM. I myself probably won't start a serious one until there is a patch for editing players inside of CCM (even though I doubt there will be one). The games have gone well for me though and i hope that my input can be helpful to you and anyone else. Sorry for the extra long posts. I'll try and keep the next one short.

[quan15]

Re: Just read and you'll understand...Real NFL...regarding stats..and gameplay..

The game I played was to specifically test whether or not the Texans(cpu) would be able to run the ball. Based off last years totals the Texans were in 2nd in rushing offense and 4th in rushing defense. On the other side the Lions(me) had the leagues 29th ranked rushing offense and 23rd ranked rushing defense. The game didn't play out that way exactly though.

I struggled in the first half as the Lions and the the Texans weren't able to run the ball all game long. Even though the Texans struggled running the ball they went into half time with a 17-7 lead (due in part to the Lions offense struggle). The third quarter turned into a scoring fest as there was a total of 31 points scored (21 by the Lions and 10 from the Texans). Going into the fourth quarter the Lions had a 1 point lead and increased it to eight on a 1 yd touchdown run by K. Smith. Even though the Texans were down in the fourth quarter they continued to run the ball, without much success. In the end the Lions completed the come from behind victory.
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">Houston Texans at Detroit Lions</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, </td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Houston Texans (CPU)</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right" class="active">27</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Detroit Lions (ME)</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">35</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">HOU</td><td align="center" width="20%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">349</td><td align="center">395</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">60</td><td align="center">122</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">289</td><td align="center">273</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">15</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">70</td><td align="center">92</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">136</td><td align="center">143</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">555</td><td align="center">630</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1(+1)</td><td align="center">2(-1)</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">2-13</td><td align="center">7-17</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">1-1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">2/1</td><td align="center">3/0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">2-20</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">30:37</td><td align="center">29:23</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="4">Scoring Summary</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FIRST QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">10:43</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) A. Foster 8 yd run</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">SECOND QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">10:53</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) N. Burleson 9 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:56</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) A. Johnson 13 yd pass from M. Shaub</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:12</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) S. Graham 47 yd FG</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">7</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">THIRD QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">11:25</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) K. Williams 3 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">14</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">8:43</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) C. Barwin returned int 38 yds</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">14</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">6:39</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) C. Johnson 54 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">21</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="10%">4:07</td><td width="70%">(HOU) (HOU) S. Graham 20 yd FG</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">21</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">0:48</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) C. Johnson 40 yd pass from M. Stafford</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">28</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="2">FOURTH QUARTER SCORING</td><td align="right" width="10%">HOU</td><td align="right" width="10%">DET</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="10%">10:09</td><td width="70%">(DET) (DET) K. Smith 1 yd run</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">35</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" width="575"><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#03182F" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Houston Texans</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Stafford</td><td align="right">21/34</td><td align="right">302</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Smith</td><td align="right">25</td><td align="right">87</td><td align="right">3.4</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Williams</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">4.8</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Stafford</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">3.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Young</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Pettigrew</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">108</td><td align="right">15.4</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>N. Burleson</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>C. Johnson</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">127</td><td align="right">31.7</td><td align="right">2</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Williams</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1.5</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Scheffler</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">11.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Young</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">8.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Smith</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">10.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>G. Cherilus</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>R. Sims</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Backus</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>S. Peterman</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Tulloch</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>E. Coleman</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Bentley</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>N. Suh</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>C. Avril</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Durant</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>L. Delmas</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. Levy</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Hanson</td><td align="right">0/0</td><td align="right">5/5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Graham</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">381</td><td align="right">47.6</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Logan</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">143</td><td align="right">23.8</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Logan</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">92</td><td align="right">10.2</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#006DB0" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Detroit Lions</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>M. Schaub</td><td align="right">19/22</td><td align="right">308</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Foster</td><td align="right">31</td><td align="right">61</td><td align="right">1.9</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>B. Tate</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-1</td><td align="right">-1.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Walter</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">177</td><td align="right">25.2</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>O. Daniels</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">20</td><td align="right">6.6</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Johnson</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">43</td><td align="right">14.3</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Martin</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">19.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>A. Foster</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">5.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>G. Graham</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">9.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Tate</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">10.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">BLOCKING</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">PANCAKE</td><td align="right" colspan="2" width="32%">SACK</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>C. Myers</td><td align="right" colspan="2">2</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. Newton</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>W. Smith</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>A. Caldwell</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td><td align="right" colspan="2">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">DEFENSE</td><td align="right" width="16%">TACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">SACK</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>B. Cushing</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>D. Manning</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Jackson</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>C. Barwin</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>W. Mercilus</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Watt</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>J. Joseph</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>J. Nading</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICKING</td><td align="right" width="16%">FG</td><td align="right" width="16%">XP</td><td align="right" width="16%">PTS</td><td align="right" width="16%">LONG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>S. Graham</td><td align="right">2/2</td><td align="right">3/3</td><td align="right"></td><td align="right">47</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNTING</td><td align="right" width="16%">NO</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">IN20</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>D. Jones</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">405</td><td align="right">40.5</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">KICK RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>K. Martin</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">73</td><td align="right">24.3</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>T. Holliday</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">63</td><td align="right">21.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PUNT RETURN</td><td align="right" width="16%">RET</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>T. Holliday</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">11.8</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>K. Martin</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">11.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>

With two games since the sack fest that was the first game (Patriots @ Titans) that seems to be more of an anomaly. The only concern I have is the cpu's inability to generate a rushing attack. Another game or two against teams that had potent rushing attacks last season would (and a possible slider adjustment for me) would start to clarify the issue.

Another thing I have to say is even though you did play football and know the inner workings (especially more than I would) Madden doesn't seem to follow some football fundamentals and principles. So trying to apply proper logic to a system that is flawed in those areas might not produce the best results (in my most humble opinion).

Didn't mean to seem like I was rushing you on a slider set for CCM. I myself probably won't start a serious one until there is a patch for editing players inside of CCM (even though I doubt there will be one). The games have gone well for me though and i hope that my input can be helpful to you and anyone else. Sorry for the extra long posts. I'll try and keep the next one short.

Hey no problem at all by all means your analysis is helping a lot. I Just got home from work not too long ago and am going to finish up with these updated sliders. The ones I have for ccm are pretty much done and seem to play better than the sliders I have posted right now (relative to the two modes i.e. play now vs ccm). As I said I have also changed the ones more slated for play now which seem to be better also. Once again I appreciate the feedback and do understand what you mean regarding your take on my ability to adjust sliders for the game (video game) based on the actual game of football due to the game's flaws.