The NFL and 2K Are Back Together, 'Non-Simulation' Games Will Release Beginning in 2021

[ASZEMPLE]

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All we can really do is wait and see, I’m envisioning a playgrounds type game for the most part, but 2K did state they will have multiple video games. If VC is developing any of those titles we can probably assume it will have more of a realistic feel to it. I’m curious to how many titles they are planning on doing.

“The games will be non-simulation football game experiences,” 2K said in its press release, adding, “While specific game titles, developers, and release dates will be announced at a later date, 2K confirmed the projects are in early development and will launch starting in calendar year 2021.” 2K Senior VP of Sports Strategy and Licensing Jason Argent told IGN, “These games will be ‘NFL 2K’ products, definitely.”

“The NFL is one of the most successful sports brands in the world, known for creating incredible entertainment for fans,” said 2K President David Ismailer. “We’re thrilled to be back in business with the NFL in a partnership that will span multiple video games centered on fun, approachable, and social experiences.”

Pressed for details on what these “non-simulation football game experiences” would be, Argent said, “Our goal is always authenticity, depth, fun and as it relates to these titles – approachable and social football experiences. We think this is a good opportunity to service a more casual market, and our research shows there’s an appetite for that.”

[J_Posse]

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Not new news (probably won't see that until next year) but SportsDrinkTV has a good video about the subject:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/81AIidsPnvA[/youtube]

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[Kanobi]

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Not new news (probably won't see that until next year) but SportsDrinkTV has a good video about the subject:

https://youtu.be/81AIidsPnvA

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Nice nugget in there about Canuck Games being in talks with the XFL before it folded.

[Nza]

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If you go and look at what 2K are doing with their WWE game next iteration then I think you'll probably be on the right track for their NFL game.

[J_Posse]

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If you go and look at what 2K are doing with their WWE game next iteration then I think you'll probably be on the right track for their NFL game.

That is the easiest conclusion to make especially when they state trying to attract a "casual" & "social" audience.

I still think they may attempt to tap into a more adult, "hardcore" audience, though that will be very difficult without the "simulation" license.

EA isn't the only one with great, high-powered lawyers and if they needed to find a "loophole" to push the genre forward (in a quasi arcade/simulation style like Super Mega Baseball) they will.

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[Blzer]

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That is the easiest conclusion to make especially when they state trying to attract a "casual" & "social" audience.

I still think they may attempt to tap into a more adult, "hardcore" audience, though that will be very difficult without the "simulation" license.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though. They can make both of these kinds of games, right?

1) A non-sim NFL game.
2) A non-NFL sim game.

What if they do APF 2K22 without any NFL teams, players, stadiums and legends/retirees? I know I'd be asking for "full customization" meanwhile (which would also include rules options to match NFL-like extra points and kickoff procedures), though I don't know if certain things could be allowed like roster sharing? To what extent can they play with this idea?

Thanks.

[J_Posse]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, though. They can make both of these kinds of games, right?

1) A non-sim NFL game.
2) A non-NFL sim game.

What if they do APF 2K22 without any NFL teams, players, stadiums and legends/retirees? I know I'd be asking for "full customization" meanwhile (which would also include rules options to match NFL-like extra points and kickoff procedures), though I don't know if certain things could be allowed like roster sharing? To what extent can they play with this idea?

Thanks.

Yes, in theory they could make both but we've seen that there is an unwillingness to do so. At least when comes to making a follow-up to APF 2K8.

I think the higher-ups at Take-Two would much rather go forward with titles branded with the NFL insignia, teams & players. I think amongst the hardcore there is a desire for a sim, non-licensed product but that likely wouldn't reach a wider audience.

If they do go back to the All-Pro approach - which they might if they can maintain, but improve, many of the core structures of that game - they'd likely package it in a MyTeam type of mode (or game if it could sell). Afterall that games concept is driving a lot of sales, microtransactions & consumer retention in modern games. They helped "innovate" the concept but lacked the needed modern/historic player, team & league licensing to continue forward.

The game also sold abysmally low figures wise.

I'm sure they've done focus tests, R&D & other forms of due diligence to what can and can't be made under the "non-sim" umbrella. And what might appeal to an audience that is (in some cases) frankly fed up with Tiburon & EA Sports. It could be just another game under their 'Battlegrounds/Playgrounds' banner of something that'll appeal to a bigger audience.

They did mention in the press release that the game would be branded with the NFL 2K moniker. For whatever that is worth.

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[kehlis]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, though. They can make both of these kinds of games, right?

1) A non-sim NFL game.
2) A non-NFL sim game.

What if they do APF 2K22 without any NFL teams, players, stadiums and legends/retirees? I know I'd be asking for "full customization" meanwhile (which would also include rules options to match NFL-like extra points and kickoff procedures), though I don't know if certain things could be allowed like roster sharing? To what extent can they play with this idea?

Thanks.

Now that they have a deal with the NFL there isn’t a chance they jeopardize that relationship by making a game that could potentially compete with the NFL’s choice for their exclusive sim replication.

[tsbmolina]

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Now that they have a deal with the NFL there isn’t a chance they jeopardize that relationship by making a game that could potentially compete with the NFL’s choice for their exclusive sim replication.

I'm sure the contract is very specific and I don't think 2K would have bought the license if the contract was overly restrictive.

[mercalnd]

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Now that they have a deal with the NFL there isn’t a chance they jeopardize that relationship by making a game that could potentially compete with the NFL’s choice for their exclusive sim replication.

Agreed. In the same vein, a lot of people are saying things like they'll find a loophole in the deal or skirt the sim/arcade line as much as they can legally within the written limits of the agreement so the NFL can't stop them regardless of whether they like it or not.

However, if they do anything that the NFL disagrees with, they may lose the relationship in the future. Some don't seem to grasp that the NFL is ultimately in charge here and can grant or retract licenses to anyone they choose for whatever reason they see fit.

[mercalnd]

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I'm sure the contract is very specific and I don't think 2K would have bought the license if the contract was overly restrictive.

There is more to this than whether or not 2K's contract with the NFL restricts them from creating a genric sim football game. They will want to keep a good relationship with the NFL. As such they would probably check if the NFL would be irritated by 2K releasing such a game.

They have been able to acquire an NFL license now but once that contract is up, the NFL might refuse to re-up if they are unhappy with 2K's other endeavors.

[SolidSquid]

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We still don’t know what non simulation means, when can we expect some news?

[roadman]

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Probably when 2k releases some news.

I'm sure lawyers for all parties involved have had discussions and knows what is applicable and what isn't.

Time will tell.

[mestevo]

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Probably won't see anything more than what we have now for another year.

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[J_Posse]

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With no live sports it makes feel like an eternity, but the reality is we won't hear anything until sometime next year.

That's why this thread has been non-stop speculation and conjecture about what is or isn't a "sim" game.

Once live sports return & Madden is released the thread will die down some. Unfortunately, we are all just anxious for anything concrete and honestly just bored.

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