What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

[tanis38]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Well, I'll go ahead and add my 2 cents to the debate that has been beaten to death for two years now.

Things I loved about 2K that I wish would be in Madden (360):

- Tackling system
- Presentation
- Saving replays
- Simming to end of game
- Halftime/end of game/weekly highlights
- Customizable stadium music

Overall I always had an issue with the way players controlled in 2k. Not the control layout, but the "feel" of them. I couldn't always get them to do exactly what I wanted. D-Line play was fantastic though. Control in Madden I feel has always been one of the game's strongest point. It has always felt very solid (except for last year's 360 offering).

07 is playing very well so far for me. If it had gang tackling (the one mechanic that would drastically change the way this game plays and feels) it would be fantastic. Oh, and I wish there a few less pancake blocks.

[TheKingOfVa]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

NFL 2k5 is amazing and I still play it to this day. With that said Madden 07 360 is a good game and I own it. My only problems with it is bad presentation, bad menus, no online leagues, and no gang tackling. Hopefully they will fix that next year. Regardless the NFL/EA deal is bad for everyone and unAmerican

[dubplate]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

A bunch of people still crying for it. I feel bad for some of these people's future grandchildren. "When I was your age we had this game called NFL 2K5. It had just as many flaws as that Madden game but we overlooked them. The funny thing is we would never alow the people that enjoyed Madden to do the same."

[mutumbo888]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Ya'll just assume I am a NFL 2k5 fanboy. I actually bought both madden and NFL 2k5 that year cuz 2k5 was $20 and I liked both. I've said the same things about NBA games, like why could they have marquee/signature moves way back for super nintendo games but not for Xbox. Luckily we're finally getting them in this year which I'm excited about. It's about games not going backwards and including features that other games have had 2, 3, 4 years ago. Since Madden decided to be the exclusive NFL game developer, they need to steal as many ideas from NFL 2k5 as they can, especially since its next gen.

[gurantsu]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Actually, there have been many posts here pointing out the flaws in 2K5. The fact that even with those flaws two years later people still play it and even prefer it over the current Madden games should speak volumes.

I have 2K5, I have Madden 07. Both games have flaws. Both games have things I like. If I had to pick only one, 2K5 would get the nod. But I still have my original Xbox so I can keep them both, and use Madden for it's SS mode and 2K5 for everything else.

I think the reason 2K5 comes up so much is because of where people imagine it would be now if development had continued without all this exclusive crap thats going on now. There is no doubt they were on the right track and were the first serious threat to the Madden franchise in years. People like choice, so we can pick the one we prefer. These exclusive deals kill that, and so far it seems in both major cases (football and baseball) the deals led to lesser games. There is a lot in both Madden 07 and MLB 2K6 that just leaves me scratching my head. (Heck, I actually returned MLB 2K6, something I've never done with a baseball game! Thank goodness for MLB The Show on my PSP.)

[DaveDQ]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

I'm not sure exactly what 2K still has, but whatever it is, I'm certain EA will buy it!

Seriously though..a thread like this is just asking for it.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

As much as I liked 2k5, it had some big gameplay flaws. Yes the graphics and presentation were awesome, but the gameplay flaws were there.


-qb spy defensive hot route(or w/e you wanna call it) didnt work.

-running game featured way too many broken tackles

-db ai was HORRIBLE, worse than any game ive seen

-the game had a small defensive playbook. about half the size of madden's.


^^^ those problems for me were far worse than cb jetpacking in madden, or mario running. thats why i rented 2k5 but bought madden 2005. madden wasnt perfect, but it was better than 2k5 imo.

The broken tackles was a 2K4 issue. DB AI was horrible but the CPU QB AI was even worse. Surprised you didn't mention that because that was the gamekiller for me.

I did like the fact I could pick the defensive line moves separately from my coverage so that was nice.

The two biggest areas that were better were physical interaction along the line and the presentation. There were many things Madden did better but those two things were what separated the two for the most part. I loved 2K4 but 2K5 was rushed and took a backwards step in many areas.

[Pared]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Why can't people compare Madden this year to 2k5 without being a little bias? Madden has done some great things, but 2k5 also did some things that haven't been surpassed....

[lnin0]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Here are the things I would like to see Madden steal from 2K5:

- gang tackling
- tv style presentation Not that I like him bu I would even be happy with the radio guy announcing if they would just jaz up the visual presentation with TV style overlays, stats, replays, pregame, halftime, postgame, highlights crowd scenes etc. You end up tuning out most announcers in a sports game anyway and that is easy to do with the colorless radio announcer
- QB rating more accurately tied to the characters movement
- Online user selectable replays; challenges and options like uniform/weather/statium
- Online leagues
- defensive hot routes
- ability to play friends VIP profile/tendencies
- customizable statium/PA music
- ability to assign a DB to a spacific reciever all game no matter which side of the field he lines up on
- better lobby system like 2K5 so if someone challenges you from the lobby you can view their player card before accepting (not gamer card but the madden card with stuff like fav team, connection strength and DNFs.

[ac11367]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Well, I'll go ahead and add my 2 cents to the debate that has been beaten to death for two years now.

Things I loved about 2K that I wish would be in Madden (360):

- Tackling system
- Presentation
- Saving replays
- Simming to end of game
- Halftime/end of game/weekly highlights
- Customizable stadium music

Overall I always had an issue with the way players controlled in 2k. Not the control layout, but the "feel" of them. I couldn't always get them to do exactly what I wanted. D-Line play was fantastic though. Control in Madden I feel has always been one of the game's strongest point. It has always felt very solid (except for last year's 360 offering).

07 is playing very well so far for me. If it had gang tackling (the one mechanic that would drastically change the way this game plays and feels) it would be fantastic. Oh, and I wish there a few less pancake blocks.

It's hard to control the DB's in 2K5. When trying to change direction, instead of the player being rotated on an axis, the player moves in a circlular motion before heading toward the direction that you want. Thus wasted precious split seconds needed to catch up to the pass.

[BezO]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

How's about what does Madden have that 2K5 doesn't? I loved 2K but in no way was it perfect. Unfortunately many of you don't admit to the problems.

There should have been more in the 2nd next gen release. Next year is the year I think we will finally see ESPN presentation.

I liked NFL 2K5, but this is getting old. 2K5 did a lot of things well. But there were also plenty of areas where it was behind Madden 2005. Franchise mode for starters.

Despite its flaws, I enjoyed 2K5 ... two years ago. Let it go already.

I think its funny that so many people hold on to the 2K series as the messiah of football. I think both games have their good and bad. What I do know is that if 2K came out with a new gaem there would be plenty of complaints about that. I didn't feel Madden was worth it this year and just rented the game. A game is supposed to be fun and if you don't have fun with it don't buy it...or if you did buy it, trade it in while it still has value. After a while what I find tiring is that people take the game of Madden personally. Like EA is peeing on your shoes...they are in the business of making games. Just like every other business out there. Sure, post your opinions and have fun, but man there seem to be more important things in life to give attention to.

As much as I liked 2k5, it had some big gameplay flaws. Yes the graphics and presentation were awesome, but the gameplay flaws were there.


-qb spy defensive hot route(or w/e you wanna call it) didnt work.

-running game featured way too many broken tackles

-db ai was HORRIBLE, worse than any game ive seen

-the game had a small defensive playbook. about half the size of madden's.


^^^ those problems for me were far worse than cb jetpacking in madden, or mario running. thats why i rented 2k5 but bought madden 2005. madden wasnt perfect, but it was better than 2k5 imo.

A bunch of people still crying for it. I feel bad for some of these people's future grandchildren. "When I was your age we had this game called NFL 2K5. It had just as many flaws as that Madden game but we overlooked them. The funny thing is we would never alow the people that enjoyed Madden to do the same."

Ha! Homey asked what 2K5 had that Madden doesn't, and these are your responses? Why so defensive? Why answer "What's missing/wrong with Madden" with "This is what was wrong with 2K"?

[Graphik]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Ha! Homey asked what 2K5 had that Madden doesn't, and these are your responses? Why so defensive? Why answer "What's missing/wrong with Madden" with "This is what was wrong with 2K"?

Good job on the multiple quotes. Some ppl get so defensive when they hear 2K compared to Madden. All he asked was a simple question.

Anyway, I dont even know why this discussion is taking place. If a person does'nt know what 2K had over Madden by now, they must have been living in an Amish settlement for the last 3 years.

[conboy31]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Some more that I havent seen posted.

Franchise fantasy draft.
Coop.
The ability to create custom playbooks.
The ability to assign players to specific locations on kickoff.
The ability to designate your nickle and dime linebackers.
The customization to put any D player at any D position, which allowed for the creation of hybrid defenses such as having 4 dlineman, 2 lbs, 2 cbs, 2 ss and 1 fs.
Fatigue.
Route running attribute.

That is off the top of my head after just waking up 4 minutes ago. I bet I could double that list with little trouble.

[ofdman]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

After playing Madden 07 for the last 2 days it is already getting a little stale to me. The reasons are mario running ( man I hate that), crappy presentation, 30 FPS ( not that much of a problem but still), stuttering camera between plays (VERY annoying to me), no halftime, goofy *bomb* sound effect, no net behind the goal posts, to dark in afternoon games, etc, etc...

I should not have bought it. I am part of the problem, not the solution. I told myself not to get it but...it's football. The game that got me into video games so long ago.

I hate what EA has done.Or rather, what the NFL let happen. We can only hope that one day this whole exclusive BS goes away and we once again have competition and therefore better games and most important A CHOICE!

Okay, i'm off my soapbox...for now

Oh yeah, What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?
Great developers with a passion for the great game of football.

[ehh]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

2K5 had better running, passing, tackling, at-the-line audibles, presentation, extras (pre/post game shows, weekly wrap up shows), replays, graphics (if you're talking current gen Madden), gang tackles.

About the only things I don't like about 2K5 is the DB AI and the kinda quirky running animations. Franchise can become sloppy w. trades plus the draft.

Obviously 2K5 is nowhere near perfect, but they were making such large strides each year that it's frustrating to think of what 2K7 would look like right now.

Obviously from that statement you can tell I'm not one of the people who thinks 2K4 was better than 2K5.