The Smashmouth Project

[TheWatcher]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

There was a cool pic comparing strides to real players, is this with the idea that users can edit the player to match his NFL counterpart? Also, are u hoping to implement online file sharing (assuming there is editing abilities)?

You would need for those movements to already exist in the game so the end user can select it from the in-game database. This means that you'd have to purposely capture players and coach them in a way that they mimic an NFL player. I won't say that's entirely out of the question for the future, but the present focus is to conceptually design the personalities of the individual players in Smashmouth. Between game demo and final is where that's going to take shape.

As for file sharing, that's something to touch on after game demo stage.

[K-oss]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

I'm sorry if you covered this already but...

Are you going to have different throwing motions as well in the game????

Would it be harder to capture than, say... the running styles????

[TheWatcher]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

I'm sorry if you covered this already but...

Are you going to have different throwing motions as well in the game????

Would it be harder to capture than, say... the running styles????

Different throwing motions, definitely on the radar.

Putting them together after capture, the difficulty is the same. But during capture, any type of running is more taxing just because running over and over again is going to tire out the player(s) in-session.

[Segagendude]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

Looks promising. Hopefully for whatever reason it doesn't go by the wayside.(Financial, programming, whatever).

There's another member here that's also starting a new football game; I wanna say his name is CSGames.

Nice to see people with the know-how are getting involved in trying to give us what we REALLY want.

[huskerwr38]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

Will you be able to customize players and teams? Like player attributes, size, weight, speed, etc. and jerseys, logos, other team stuff?

[TheWatcher]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

Will you be able to customize players and teams? Like player attributes, size, weight, speed, etc. and jerseys, logos, other team stuff?

That's something I definitely want in the final game. I can already do some customization to attributes/ratings, and colors. The tough part is making it open to the end user.

[Cryolemon]

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That's something I definitely want in the final game. I can already do some customization to attributes/ratings, and colors. The tough part is making it open to the end user.

The best way to do it in my opinion is to make the editor first then make all of the default teams in that editor.

[Valdarez]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

That's something I definitely want in the final game. I can already do some customization to attributes/ratings, and colors. The tough part is making it open to the end user.

Why is it hard to make it open to the end user? Building the real time changes in so they are reflected as the user makes them? Other?

[Nza]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

You should make the data files based on XML - easy to edit and a nice open standard format to program with

[Cryolemon]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

You should make the data files based on XML - easy to edit and a nice open standard format to program with

That would certainly work for a lot of things. You could even include an XML for league rules and AI depending on how the game was set up.

[TheWatcher]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

Why is it hard to make it open to the end user? Building the real time changes in so they are reflected as the user makes them? Other?

Just trying to come up with enough variations and enough depth to satisfy the end user is #1, and stability (getting major bugs/conflicts eliminated). But I feel pretty good about there being a good editor in the final, and that's certainly something I'm going to keep at the top of the concept design list for when my team is assembled.

[Nza]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

That would certainly work for a lot of things. You could even include an XML for league rules and AI depending on how the game was set up.

Yeah, or if not XML, SQLite, which is gaining popularity in situations where apps need portable, simple data storage.

[darbelis12]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

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[Valdarez]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

Just trying to come up with enough variations and enough depth to satisfy the end user is #1, and stability (getting major bugs/conflicts eliminated). But I feel pretty good about there being a good editor in the final, and that's certainly something I'm going to keep at the top of the concept design list for when my team is assembled.

I can see where it could be time consuming definitely for one guy. I got to thinking about it, and I could see where a facial editor might be tough to code from scratch, but that's not that big of a deal in football game where players where their masks most of the time. Just player names/info/color/height/weight and then on the team front, some colors and basic uniform striping would be enough to start the game and still make it feel fairly dynamic.

I seem to recall you mentioned you could control the size of the calfs, which my guess means that you can control the size of all muscles on the players, so it sounds like that functionality is there, even if the UI for it is not.

Don't be afraid to make use of fans either. Create a simple config file, and then explain what they look like. Keep increments simple to start (no more than 1 to 10) for numbers like muscle size and facial options. Let fans code editors to support the game, and then simply provide a way to import them. You can then provide a full blown editor in a later version. Thus you support configurability, even though the configurator is not in the game itself. Perhaps not the ideal solution, but definitely a viable one that should ease the development time/effort on your part.

Not sure if this was covered before - Are you targeting this for XBox Live/PSNetwork or other?

[Cryolemon]

Re: The Smashmouth Project

Don't be afraid to make use of fans either. Create a simple config file, and then explain what they look like. Keep increments simple to start (no more than 1 to 10) for numbers like muscle size and facial options. Let fans code editors to support the game, and then simply provide a way to import them. You can then provide a full blown editor in a later version. Thus you support configurability, even though the configurator is not in the game itself. Perhaps not the ideal solution, but definitely a viable one that should ease the development time/effort on your part.

Exactly. The fact is that if an editor can be made it will be. Supporting it is the way to go.