Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

[bkrich83]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

you know when i said let the haters hate im talking about people who say michael vick should get life in prison, he should get raped in jail, or he is satan reborn. when the case first came out i was just going to say ok vick made a stupid mistake and regardless of what i thought about dog fighting vick broke the law and should go to jail. then i kept seeing people write those kinds of messages on the forum and it kind of surprised me. thats why people talk about other animals being slaughtered, other crimes worse than dog fighting, and other nfl players and cases. why so much hate for michael vick when there were others before him who did worser things and yet got not even close to the amount of hate that vick is getting. just exposing the hypocrisy of people thoughts and opinions, thats it.

What NFL players have done "worser" things than Vick and not received the "hate"?

[Chaos81]

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I tend to think of armed robbery as worse than financing dog fighting.

Ummm...where did I mention armed robbery?

[Cebby]

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Ummm...where did I mention armed robbery?

Were they robbing the bank with kindness?

[mgoblue]

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Were they robbing the bank with kindness?

I have no idea what context the discussion was about, but this quote is awesome!

[Chaos81]

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Were they robbing the bank with kindness?

Actually yeah, pretty much. And you also realize the guy that I knew didn't actually go into the bank right? He just sat in the car. On the day of the robbery, he was never actually with the guys that were in the bank. He drove to the bank on his own, and was sitting in the parking lot.


Quick rundown. They walked into the bank, went to the front of the line, told the tellers they were being robbed and asked for money. Cops just happened to be around the corner and arrested them before they could even make it out of the bank.

[Chaos81]

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I have no idea what context the discussion was about, but this quote is awesome!

He was responding to my statement about how I feel someone getting 5 years for sitting in a car as a getaway driver, during a bank robbery gone wrong, is worse than what happened to Vick.

[Cebby]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

Actually yeah, pretty much. And you also realize the guy that I knew didn't actually go into the bank right? He just sat in the car.

Quick rundown. They walked into the bank, went to the front of the line, told the tellers they were being robbed and asked for money. Cops just happened to be around the corner and arrested them before they could even make it out of the bank.

He was actively involved in a criminal conspiracy to rob a bank. The fact that you're making excuses for bank robbers is pretty disturbing.

I really doubt that anyone without a mildly disturbing relationship with their animal thinks dog fighting is worse than robbing a bank.

[mgoblue]

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He was actively involved in a criminal conspiracy to rob a bank. The fact that you're making excuses for bank robbers is pretty disturbing.

I really doubt that anyone without a mildly disturbing relationship with their animal thinks dog fighting is worse than robbing a bank.

Yeah...he's still participating...

It's like when 2 people rob somewhere...1 guy shoots someone, the other is still a party to murder, he just didn't physically pull the trigger.

I have no problem with that guy getting 5 years...you were robbing a f'n bank, what do you expect is gonna happen?

[Chaos81]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

He was actively involved in a criminal conspiracy to rob a bank.

That's my point. They both got charged with conspiracy.

I really doubt that anyone without a mildly disturbing relationship with their animal thinks dog fighting is worse than robbing a bank.

Explain to me how you got me thinking dog fighting is worse out of what I've said? We're talking conspiracy charges here in both instances, that's what I'm getting at.

Someone getting 5 years for conspiracy to rob a bank, is stupid compared to someone getting 23 months for conspiracy to commit dog fighting and gambling.

The fact that you're making excuses for bank robbers is pretty disturbing.

You do realize that I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have gotten 5 years right? I don't have a problem with it at all.


Let me put it another way. The average sentence for robbery in 2003 was 5 years. This guy got 5 years for conspiracy. He didn't even get charged with robbery. Wouldn't you think you'd get less time for conspiracy? Maybe that's just me.

[Chaos81]

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I have no problem with that guy getting 5 years...you were robbing a f'n bank, what do you expect is gonna happen?

I don't either.

My point for originally posting it was someone brought up Leonard Little and how he only got 90 days for what he did. The guy was saying it's horrible that Little only got 90 days for killing someone, yet Vick got 23 months for conspiracy. I was just using an example of someone that got 5 years for something that I think most people would agree isn't as bad as murder. Or do you guys think bank robbers are up there with murders?

[Cebby]

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Let me put it another way. The average sentence for robbery in 2003 was 5 years. This guy got 5 years for conspiracy. He didn't even get charged with robbery. Wouldn't you think you'd get less time for conspiracy? Maybe that's just me.

There's a difference between robbery and bank robbery. Bank robbery is nipped in the bud.

[Chaos81]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

There's a difference between robbery and bank robbery. Bank robbery is nipped in the bud.

Yeah I know, but it's all I could find in a quick search. Again though, he wasn't charged with robbery, he was charged with conspiracy. From what I could find, the sentencing guideline for that is 5 years.

Anyways, I did some more quick searching, and found a couple cases where people got charged with conspiracy to commit a bank robbey. One guy got 5 years, with 4 years being suspended, one guy got 10 years, with 9 years being suspended. The guy I know got 5 years, and had to serve all 5 years.


Again, that's all I was getting at with my post last night. Just because Little got 90 days, doesn't mean everyone does. Just because the guidelines for a crime say this, doesn't mean everyone gets exactly that. Some get more, some get less. I was just showing that it goes both ways. The guy I used obviously got more than what others did, regardless of what the guidelines say.



And now that I'm way off topic......

[wwharton]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

you know when i said let the haters hate im talking about people who say michael vick should get life in prison, he should get raped in jail, or he is satan reborn. when the case first came out i was just going to say ok vick made a stupid mistake and regardless of what i thought about dog fighting vick broke the law and should go to jail. then i kept seeing people write those kinds of messages on the forum and it kind of surprised me. thats why people talk about other animals being slaughtered, other crimes worse than dog fighting, and other nfl players and cases. why so much hate for michael vick when there were others before him who did worser things and yet got not even close to the amount of hate that vick is getting. just exposing the hypocrisy of people thoughts and opinions, thats it.

What NFL players have done "worser" things than Vick and not received the "hate"?

You quoted correctly but just to be clear, HATE does not equal TIME. These comparisons of time and whether his sentencing was correct or not is a completely different discussion. In terms of receiving the level of HATE from the media and general public I'd say:

- Little is obviously at the top of the list
- Chumra (sp?) raping an underaged girl
- Carruth and the murder
- even Pacman copped a plea for his participation in the shooting that paralyzed a man. he's taking heat but nowhere near the level of Vick
- almost forgot about Lawrence Phillips who routinely beat the crap out of women including dragging one down the stairs by her hair.

Some would even say anyone with repeated DWI charges are worse b/c of putting lives in danger.

I understand that Vick is a name that more people know and therefore more would react to, however in this forum his name doesn't carry as much weight b/c we aren't casual fans. Even still, that would just mean more people commenting on it. Being Michael Vick vs Ray Carruth shouldn't mean the difference between "he should be killed in his cell" and "I'm glad they caught him".

[billmatic]

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Part of that is the fact that you don't have people defending Carruth, or saying he's being unfairly punished, or people saying he got off too easy. Everyone is pretty much in agreement that he's a piece of crap, and should be in jail for life. Vick is more of a hot button issue, because some people feel he's being punished too harshly, others think too lightly, so it creates more of a debate. Something like dog fighting can create a bunch of different opinions, whereas murder is pretty cut and dry. And you're right, the fact that Vick is such a big name adds a lot to it as well. If Demetric Evans was convicted of running a dog fighting ring, obviously it wouldn't be as big a deal.

[Brandwin]

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Some would even say anyone with repeated DWI charges are worse b/c of putting lives in danger.

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it is. Animals are not even close to being on the same level as a human (not saying you think they are)