Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

[SpacemanSpiff]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

Like I said before in this thread, not saying that animal cruelty is even close to acceptable, but animal rights activists seem to care much more about the well-being of animals than humans sometimes. The outrage and public uproar for the dogfighting was simply much stronger than Little or Lewis' cases, regardless of whether they were guilty or not.

[Psyblast]

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Okay, let's put this in perspective. Micheal Vick killed dogs and got sentenced to 23 months in jail...

In fort worth, this guy robbed this lady, beat her to within an inch of her life (she was in a coma for 4 months), and got 10 months. So this guy, who almost killed an innocent woman, and malciously attempted to take a HUMAN LIFE, will spend less time in jail than Vick does...how many human lives did Vick endanger...

I know that example is not good enough for you...so let me give you another...

Leonard little, a defensive linemen for the rams (i think he still plays for them), killed a lady in a drunk driving accident (blood alcohol level 0,19). This woman left behind a husband and a son. His punishment? 60 days in jail and 1000 hours of community service. Do to his good deeds, HE HAD THE INVOLUNATARY MANSLAUGHTER CHARGED DROPPED FROM HIS RECORD, SO NOW HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE THE FACT THAT HE GOT DRUNK AND KILLED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING ON HIS RECORD ANYMORE... To top it off he has been arrested for drunk driving twice since then. Rams fans still cheer him on the field...

Vick kills dogs = 23 months...

Beat a woman within an inch of her life and put her in a coma = 10 months

Get drunk and kill another human being, ruining there family = 60 days...

Once again:

Did the FEDS go after Leonard Little or the other guy? If they did, both of those idiots would still be rotting away in jail.

Oh, and by the way...the actual dog fighting and killing of dogs wasn't what got Vick into trouble with the federal government.

[TheMatrix31]

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What the hell does my opinion of Leonard Little have to do with this? If you think my opinion of Michael Vick is bad, then you obviously don't know my views on Leonard Little. If I posted what I actually thought about that mother****er, I'd be banned for eternity.

[malek05]

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I find cruelty to animals for sport or financial gain to be despicable no matter what the animal. Maybe that's just me.

So, what do you think about horseracing? The objective is to beat your horse with a stick to make it run faster. Does that constitute "cruelty"

What about the Barbaro horse. Remember him? Didn't they beat him to the point that he ran so fast he broke his leg, then got and infection in the leg and had to be euthanized (or maybe he just died natural) What do you think should happen to these people who literally rode Barbaro into his grave?

[malek05]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

Once again:

Did the FEDS go after Leonard Little or the other guy? If they did, both of those idiots would still be rotting away in jail.

Oh, and by the way...the actual dog fighting and killing of dogs wasn't what got Vick into trouble with the federal government.

So what did get him in trouble. That his friend had that ganja on him?

What the feds did or did not do is a moot point. All i was doing was posting to examples of things that most would agree are way more heinous than dog fighting yet carry much lighter sentences. Nothing more...nothing less...

[Psyblast]

Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

So what did get him in trouble. That his friend had that ganja on him?

What the feds did or did not do is a moot point. All i was doing was posting to examples of things that most would agree are way more heinous than dog fighting yet carry much lighter sentences. Nothing more...nothing less...

Vick went down in flames because he financed an interstate gambling organization. That's why the feds went after him. The fact that it happened to be dogfighting just got all the animal rights activists on his ***. For the Leonard Little situation to be on the same level as Vick's (in terms of prosecution, not severity of crime), Little would've had to have killed a federal employee. And everyone - you, me, and everyone that posts here - knows if he had done that, he would be in prison for the rest of his life. Should he be anyway? Yeah, probably. But there's a huge difference once the feds get involved.

[SpacemanSpiff]

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Well, I'm not saying that the law was not followed according to the way the system is set up. Neither am I saying that Vick really got much more if any more time than he should have. I guess, I just find it idealistically wrong that endangering a human's life can go less punished by such a margin. I guess, it just shows that life is not always just and right.

[Chaos81]

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All i was doing was posting to examples of things that most would agree are way more heinous than dog fighting yet carry much lighter sentences. Nothing more...nothing less...

Did you actually have a point with regards to posting those?


I know someone that got 5 years for being the getaway driver in a bank robbery gone bad. He didn't do a thing but drive to the bank on his own and sit there. The guys he was supposed to drive didn't even make it to the car as they got caught before they reached it. I don't know about you, but killing and torturing dogs is much worse than being a getaway driver in a bank robbery to me.

What's my point? I'm not sure to be honest, just following your lead but in the other direction.

[billmatic]

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I don't know if this is the worst post in OS' history or the best post.

I'm leaning towards best.

[bkrich83]

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So, what do you think about horseracing? The objective is to beat your horse with a stick to make it run faster. Does that constitute "cruelty"

What about the Barbaro horse. Remember him? Didn't they beat him to the point that he ran so fast he broke his leg, then got and infection in the leg and had to be euthanized (or maybe he just died natural) What do you think should happen to these people who literally rode Barbaro into his grave?

Don't know. I am not a big horseracing fan. I do know this, they surely didn't force Barbaro to fight other horses. When he didn't perform, they didn't drown, electrocute or hang him.

How does any of thise excuse what Vick did in the first place?

[Cebby]

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I know someone that got 5 years for being the getaway driver in a bank robbery gone bad. He didn't do a thing but drive to the bank on his own and sit there. The guys he was supposed to drive didn't even make it to the car as they got caught before they reached it. I don't know about you, but killing and torturing dogs is much worse than being a getaway driver in a bank robbery to me.

I tend to think of armed robbery as worse than financing dog fighting.

[bkrich83]

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Okay, let's put this in perspective. Micheal Vick killed dogs and got sentenced to 23 months in jail...

In fort worth, this guy robbed this lady, beat her to within an inch of her life (she was in a coma for 4 months), and got 10 months. So this guy, who almost killed an innocent woman, and malciously attempted to take a HUMAN LIFE, will spend less time in jail than Vick does...how many human lives did Vick endanger...

I know that example is not good enough for you...so let me give you another...

Leonard little, a defensive linemen for the rams (i think he still plays for them), killed a lady in a drunk driving accident (blood alcohol level 0,19). This woman left behind a husband and a son. His punishment? 60 days in jail and 1000 hours of community service. Do to his good deeds, HE HAD THE INVOLUNATARY MANSLAUGHTER CHARGED DROPPED FROM HIS RECORD, SO NOW HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE THE FACT THAT HE GOT DRUNK AND KILLED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING ON HIS RECORD ANYMORE... To top it off he has been arrested for drunk driving twice since then. Rams fans still cheer him on the field...

Vick kills dogs = 23 months...

Beat a woman within an inch of her life and put her in a coma = 10 months

Get drunk and kill another human being, ruining there family = 60 days...

I don't know all the circumstances to the other case.

But I can tell you this per Justice Dept. statistics. Vick served significantly less time than the average person convicted of a violent crime. Actually the average sentence for all crimes was 33 months, and Vick was sentenced to 23.

So I am not sure how taking two cases somehow proves he was unjustly sentenced, when the fact of the matter is, per sentencing guidelines he recieved a medium sentence, and per Dept. of Justice Statistics, he received significantly less time than most violent offenders.

[The C]

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Don't know. I am not a big horseracing fan. I do know this, they surely didn't force Barbaro to fight other horses. When he didn't perform, they didn't drown, electrocute or hang him.

How does any of thise excuse what Vick did in the first place?

Besides, when Barbaro got injured didn't they spend like 23 hours a day "milking" that horse?

What a way to go out, huh?

[malek05]

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Don't know. I am not a big horseracing fan. I do know this, they surely didn't force Barbaro to fight other horses. When he didn't perform, they didn't drown, electrocute or hang him.

How does any of thise excuse what Vick did in the first place?

Not saying it excuses it, I am just saying that we have two cases here where human interaction caused the death of an animal. Vick "forced" dogs to fight each other, killed those that didn't perform well, and there is widespread public outcry, I mean, he literally got his entire life taking from him. I do find that to be cruel.

On the opposite end of that, we have some people who rode and beat a horse until it's leg broke, then it got infected to the point that they had to put it down. Beating horses to make them run faster, to the point that they break there leg, strikes me as cruel.

You don't have to know anything about horseracing to understand that they beat the horses to make them run. You can see it, on tv, you can actually see them hitting the horse with your own two eyes. I'm sure you don't know anything about dog fighting, have probably never seen one in your life, but you were able to pass judgment on that.

Anyway, i think i proved my point here...no need to revisit this anymore...

[malek05]

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Well, I'm not saying that the law was not followed according to the way the system is set up. Neither am I saying that Vick really got much more if any more time than he should have. I guess, I just find it idealistically wrong that endangering a human's life can go less punished by such a margin. I guess, it just shows that life is not always just and right.

Finally, someone that understands. The point of my post is to put Vicks sentencing in perspective with other crimes.

"You might be better off taking a human life than killing dogs" is the underlying theme here.

I also wanted to know what would happen if i posted a case where somebody killed another human just to see what peoples reaction to it would be. And what i got was "Well, that's got nothing to do with Vick"...

I also wanted to post another case where human interaction caused the death of an animal to see what response i would get. And what i got was "well, I don't know about horseracing but Vick Vick Vick Vick..."

interesting