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  • Double Eights
    Banned
    • Nov 2005
    • 5733

    #331
    Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

    Originally posted by wwharton
    Do some research, cows are not only considered pets in many places, some are actually worshiped. Meanwhile dogs are also used as food in other places
    This is America. Those are not true facts in this country.

    With your logic, women should have no rights here. They don't have any over in the middle east.

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    • Graphik
      Pr*s*n*r#70460649
      • Oct 2002
      • 10582

      #332
      Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      I gotta be honest. These Vick threads are some of the most useless threads I've ever seen on this board. Its the same people on each side arguing the same things and all are a little biased. The majority of the ones arguing that Vick got the right amount of time are either guys who hated Vick as an athlete, dog owners and lovers and/or staunch law and order types. The majority of people supporting Vick are blind Vick fans, non dog/pet owners (like myself) and/or the type who will argue "injustice" anytime someone famous in their race gets convicted of anything.

      I swear if some of you took the time to search for the old Vick threads, you would realize that everyone is arguing the same points they did when this story first broke and when he plead guilty. No one is going to change their minds here.

      Good thing I never participated in those Vick threads. I'm not really defending Vick. I just dont like the sentence that was handed down. Pro athlete or no pro athlete.
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      • bkrich83
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        • Jul 2002
        • 71582

        #333
        Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        What the prosecution offered which was 18 mos. The extra 6 mos was because of the press attention that this case brings and the judge wanted to put on a show. I wouldnt be surprised if the Judge wrote a book after this. Fed judges usually go with whatever the prosecution offers.
        Do you think the extra 6 mos. that were added that people say were due to his post plea actions, were overblown and just an excuse to extend his sentence? If someone does lie to the PO after entering a plea, and they are found to have lied is it normal to get a stiffer sentence? Or is what happend to Vick, irregular on that front?
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        • Psyblast
          2023 National Champions
          • Jun 2003
          • 42584

          #334
          Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

          Originally posted by vickhalloffame
          you don't see PETA lobbying for animal rights do you?


          Um...do you read what you type before you reply?

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          • bkrich83
            Has Been
            • Jul 2002
            • 71582

            #335
            Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

            Originally posted by vickhalloffame
            its embarrassing for me to be spouting the truth? where are the animal rights activists? animals are being discriminated against and some animals have more rights then others. you don't see PETA lobbying for animal rights do you? nah i didn't think so because they say that they love animals so much but they are not trying to make them on a humans level. whats more i keep hearing the same excuses about how chickens, turkey, and cows are much different then dogs because we kill them to eat. so what dogs and cats get more rights then them because they taste good?
            Wow...You may want to do a little research on PETA, before you claim you are spouting the truth. You may want to add a little common sense, and dump the ridiculous blind loyalty to a person, just because they are your favorite athlete.
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            • mgoblue
              Go Wings!
              • Jul 2002
              • 25477

              #336
              Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

              Originally posted by wwharton
              This is being lost on many who are so emotionally in raged by the thought of dog fighting/dog's dying they are ignoring what many have to say and labeling them as saying something else. It's just like the last Vick thread.



              It's nothing like putting a cap in the family dog's head. It's not even in the same universe. I was trying to stay out of this but some are missing some good points to the counter argument (while focusing only on the over the top ones). The dogs involved in dog fights are bred specifically for that reason and trained pretty much from birth to be killers. At no time are they intended to be "the family pet" which is why many of the dogs the FBI claimed were put down anyway. To get a better understanding of some of the different opinions here, this point is important. The breeding of the dogs is the bigger crime, essentially creating these killing creatures. The animals they had fighting can't be compared to anything you'd pick up from a shelter or let sleep at the foot of your bed.

              What happens after these "monsters" are made is already inevitable. It doesn't make any sense to pull up psychological studies of how close this is to killing a human or even how someone can enjoy killing an animal in general. These dogs have no use in society and are nothing but a danger to everyone around them. If they can no longer fight, they must be put down just as the FBI did when they took the live dogs from Vick's place.
              The only reason they're bred for fighting is because people like Vick bankroll the fighting rings. I'm against dog fighting, **** fighting, bullfighting, etc. I understand that once the dogs are bred to be that evil and mean there's nothing you can do with them.

              I agree with you though, it's the breeding/fighting that I'm more at odds with. I don't agree with how they killed them (as you and I say, pretty damn horrific ways), but not a whole lot more they could do at that point. They'd all ready raised killer fighting dogs, no way they can be salvaged.

              We're just lucky that none of the dogs killed any kids or other people. Just recently a 5 year old around me was killed by the family pet, I don't want to imagine what one of Vick's dogs would have done if it got loose.
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              • aholbert32
                (aka Alberto)
                • Jul 2002
                • 33106

                #337
                Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                Originally posted by bkrich83
                Do you think the extra 6 mos. that were added that people say were due to his post plea actions, were overblown and just an excuse to extend his sentence? If someone does lie to the PO after entering a plea, and they are found to have lied is it normal to get a stiffer sentence? Or is what happend to Vick, irregular on that front?
                Everybody lies. That was just an excuse by the Judge. Judges take their cues from the prosecutor in normal cases no matter what happens unless new information comes up (like he was alleged to kill 3 dogs but they find out it was 300)

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                • bkrich83
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71582

                  #338
                  Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  Everybody lies. That was just an excuse by the Judge. Judges take their cues from the prosecutor in normal cases no matter what happens unless new information comes up (like he was alleged to kill 3 dogs but they find out it was 300)
                  Interesting. I have talked to 5 people about this stuff, all with a background in it, and all have given different answers.

                  Although I tend to put creedence in what you say. That being said, I have zero problems with the sentence. I think it's more than fair to both sides.

                  Now the next question is, his eligibility to be re-instated to the league after he is released. That one I keep going back and forth on.
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                  • NovaStar
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 3561

                    #339
                    Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                    Originally posted by Graphik
                    Your first paragraph is a much better explaination than what I was saying. Also, this is a good post. I never mentioned that he didn't deserve to go to jail. I understand he was punished because he broke the law. My whole point is that its much to harsh to punish this guy while Dice posted that a guy who only got 5 years for admittingly murdering his wife. It shows how screwed up our contires priorities are. We'd rather shun and smear a guy who kills these poor, defensless animals than a guy who takes another human beings life.
                    I hear you Graphik. I think it is not more the priorities of the country being screwed up (because they are) but I think some of these judges have some screwed up priorities as well. The point is, Vick and no one else should ever deliver themselves to the system if they can help it. Once you do, you suffer its inconsistencies, mixed up priorities and hidden agendas.

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #340
                      Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                      Originally posted by bkrich83
                      Interesting. I have talked to 5 people about this stuff, all with a background in it, and all have given different answers.

                      Although I tend to put creedence in what you say. That being said, I have zero problems with the sentence. I think it's more than fair to both sides.

                      Now the next question is, his eligibility to be re-instated to the league after he is released. That one I keep going back and forth on.
                      I think if Goddell suspends him after this its overkill. I promise you if he wasnt already suspended this year w/o pay he would have played, collected his 15-20 mil and not plead guilty until after the season. In my mind Goddell has already taken one season away. Its rare to see someone suspended for 2 yrs on a non football related gambling issue.

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                      • realtalktruth
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 472

                        #341
                        Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        Just stop. Peta is constantly protesting fast food companies for the way they treat Cows, chickens etc.
                        Originally posted by Psyblast
                        Um...do you read what you type before you reply?
                        no one was talking about PETA when i mentioned the cows and chickens, i was talking about the posters of this forum.

                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        Wow...You may want to do a little research on PETA, before you claim you are spouting the truth. You may want to add a little common sense, and dump the ridiculous blind loyalty to a person, just because they are your favorite athlete.
                        ya see i could care less about michael vick, this subject is beyond him now. he took his plea he got his time and he is going to jail anyway. you say that PETA is trying to lobby for animals rights? animals have not and will never have rights. spike still can't pick his owner or whether or not he wants an owner. in the end dogs will just be like store bought products. you buy and take care of it but when it breaks, you mourn, then buy a new one.
                        Last edited by realtalktruth; 12-11-2007, 02:54 PM. Reason: mourn, sob, i could not find the right word.
                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.
                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        It's become my favorite feature. Although I do miss reading vickhalloffame's posts for his "insight" on the way the world works.

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                        • cjonesfan921
                          UGH, next year
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 20081

                          #342
                          Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                          Originally posted by vickhalloffame
                          no one was talking about PETA when i mentioned the cows and chickens, i was talking about the posters of this forum.



                          ya see i could care less about michael vick, this subject is beyond him now. he took his plea he got his time and he is going to jail anyway. you say that PETA is trying to lobby for animals rights? animals have not and will never have rights. spike still can't pick his owner or whether or not he wants an owner. in the end dogs will just be like store bought products. you buy and take care of it but when breaks, you soak, then buy a new one.


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                          • P2K
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 8845

                            #343
                            Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                            Originally posted by Double Eights
                            This is America. Those are not true facts in this country.

                            With your logic, women should have no rights here. They don't have any over in the middle east.
                            Didn't I tell ya that argument would be used eventually?

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                            • Graphik
                              Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 10582

                              #344
                              Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                              Originally posted by cjonesfan921



                              I actually agree with him. You can watch a child ball his eyes out if his dog got lost. Bring in another replacment dog the very next day, the kid is happy again. I've watched this scenario play out on many levels.
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                              • Graphik
                                Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 10582

                                #345
                                Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                                Originally posted by mgoblue
                                The only reason they're bred for fighting is because people like Vick bankroll the fighting rings. I'm against dog fighting, **** fighting, bullfighting, etc. I understand that once the dogs are bred to be that evil and mean there's nothing you can do with them.

                                I agree with you though, it's the breeding/fighting that I'm more at odds with. I don't agree with how they killed them (as you and I say, pretty damn horrific ways), but not a whole lot more they could do at that point. They'd all ready raised killer fighting dogs, no way they can be salvaged.

                                We're just lucky that none of the dogs killed any kids or other people. Just recently a 5 year old around me was killed by the family pet, I don't want to imagine what one of Vick's dogs would have done if it got loose.

                                Some people also raise their dogs in such a manner to protect as well. If your dog ripped off a possible intruders limb and prevented a home burglary, you'd probably change your tune.
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