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  • Graphik
    Pr*s*n*r#70460649
    • Oct 2002
    • 10582

    #286
    Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

    Originally posted by Double Eights
    You are wrong.

    Dogs are not of the same species as cows. Nor are humans of the same species as dogs. Nor are birds of the same species as rats.

    Humans are their own species. Cows are their own species. Dogs are their own species.


    Thanks for the lesson in biology, I needed to be clarified.

    It doesn't matter though, why do you have a bigger soft spot for a dog than a cow? When cows IMO, go through a much more heinous lifespan than that of a dog?
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    • bkrich83
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      • Jul 2002
      • 71582

      #287
      Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

      Originally posted by mgoblue
      It's only dogs...essentially what Vick and his buddies did is on the same level as them putting a cap in your family dog's head. It's only a dog, right? Why would you be sad? It's not a human. God forbid someone form some sort of attachment with an animal...

      Eh, I'm done with this discussion, I'll agree to disagree...I just think this is way different than cows and other food because they were being FORCED to fight, and then tortured before dying via very inhumane ways (electrocution, other things). To say that's just the same as what butchers do is very uninformed.
      Not everyone has compassion I guess..
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      • Dice
        Sitting by the door
        • Jul 2002
        • 6627

        #288
        Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

        Originally posted by bkrich83
        So should the guy have gotten more time for killing his wife, or should Vick have gotten less time for his actions?

        What is your point?
        That is my point. There has to be some degree of the seriousness of a crime in order to place sentencing. If you ask majority of the people here what crime is more serious, killing a dog or killing your wife, I'd bet that killing your wife would win by a landslide. BUT not only is it more serious but the extreme nature of the crime should just outdistance itself by a landslide. And not just by a couple of years.

        The court system is flawed.
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        • bkrich83
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          • Jul 2002
          • 71582

          #289
          Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

          Originally posted by Dice
          That is my point. There has to be some degree of the seriousness of a crime in order to place sentencing. If you ask majority of the people here what crime is more serious, killing a dog or killing your wife, I'd bet that killing your wife would win by a landslide. BUT not only is it more serious but the extreme nature of the crime should just outdistance itself by a landslide. And not just by a couple of years.

          The court system is flawed.
          I don't disagree the system is flawed. But in the examples you've given, I have no issue with the sentence dealt M.Vick. 5 years sounds ridiculously light for the other crime.
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          • Double Eights
            Banned
            • Nov 2005
            • 5733

            #290
            Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

            Originally posted by Graphik
            Thanks for the lesson in biology, I needed to be clarified.

            It doesn't matter though, why do you have a bigger soft spot for a dog than a cow? When cows IMO, go through a much more heinous lifespan than that of a dog?
            Because dogs are domesticated pets. They have been pets for hundreds(if not thousands) of years. When was the last time you heard of someone having a cow for pet?

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            • Brandon13
              All Star
              • Oct 2005
              • 8915

              #291
              Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

              Originally posted by bkrich83
              I don't see the hypocrisy. Although that could be due to regional or cultural differences based on our backgrounds.

              Last time I checked, we weren't killing dogs for food. Killing for sport and entertainment is completely different than killing for food.

              Bear in mind, I am not a big fan of hunting or hunters, but I do recognize in certain cases the need for population control of certain species.


              For me, this is a case of personal responsibility, and Vick has no one to blame but himself. Too much to lose to be this kind of stuff. Guy had every advantage in the world handed to him, because he was an athlete and pissed it away over dogfighting of all things.
              I'm sure it's the differences in backgrounds. Like I've said before, I hunt so I see the hypocrisy first hand. I've seen hunters shoot a deer and leave it dying for upwards of 30 minutes because they don't want to waste another bullet to put the thing out of its' misery. That kind of stuff to me is just as bad as what Vick did, but a hunter who does that would never be charged with anything.

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              • Graphik
                Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                • Oct 2002
                • 10582

                #292
                Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                Originally posted by bkrich83
                And? So it's not his fault he's that he lost his livelihood. It falls on someone else? In the end he's got no one to blame but himself. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

                This is exactly the thinking that allows athletes like Vick to think the laws don't apply to them.
                I dont care if it were Vick or my next door neibor, no person should be punished like that for the killing of an animal while my home and I'm sure your home is stock full of dead animals.

                I'm not saying Vick shouldn't of gotten no time at all. Cause he did in fact break the law and was caught. My whole point since I started posting in this thread is I think the punishment is too severe.
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                • bkrich83
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                  • Jul 2002
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                  #293
                  Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                  Originally posted by Graphik
                  I dont care if it were Vick or my next door neibor, no person should be punished like that for the killing of an animal while my home and I'm sure your home is stock full of dead animals.

                  I'm not saying Vick shouldn't of gotten no time at all. Cause he did in fact break the law and was caught. My whole point since I started posting in this thread is I think the punishment is too severe.
                  Unless he was planning to eat the dogs, I don't see your point.

                  I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Vick knowingly mislead his interviewers post plea, he knowingly smoked Marijana when he knew he was going to be tested, and mislead the investigators about his usage, and this was after pleading to several felonies.

                  I'd say his sentence is right about where it should be.From what I read if not for his post conviction shenanigans, his sentence would have been closer to 12-18 months.
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                  • Double Eights
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5733

                    #294
                    Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                    Originally posted by Graphik
                    I dont care if it were Vick or my next door neibor, no person should be punished like that for the killing of an animal while my home and I'm sure your home is stock full of dead animals.

                    I'm not saying Vick shouldn't of gotten no time at all. Cause he did in fact break the law and was caught. My whole point since I started posting in this thread is I think the punishment is too severe.
                    Killing dogs is not the only reason he was punished.

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                    • bkrich83
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 71582

                      #295
                      Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                      Originally posted by Brandon13
                      I'm sure it's the differences in backgrounds. Like I've said before, I hunt so I see the hypocrisy first hand. I've seen hunters shoot a deer and leave it dying for upwards of 30 minutes because they don't want to waste another bullet to put the thing out of its' misery. That kind of stuff to me is just as bad as what Vick did, but a hunter who does that would never be charged with anything.
                      I don't disagree that it's just as bad as what Vick did. Still doesn't make Vick's actions any more acceptable.

                      As I said, I am not a big fan of hunting or hunters, in the first place.
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                      • Graphik
                        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 10582

                        #296
                        Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                        Originally posted by mgoblue
                        It's only dogs...essentially what Vick and his buddies did is on the same level as them putting a cap in your family dog's head. It's only a dog, right? Why would you be sad? It's not a human. God forbid someone form some sort of attachment with an animal...

                        Eh, I'm done with this discussion, I'll agree to disagree...I just think this is way different than cows and other food because they were being FORCED to fight, and then tortured before dying via very inhumane ways (electrocution, other things). To say that's just the same as what butchers do is very uninformed.

                        Eh I actually own a dog...and a cat. Had numerous dogs and cats, gerbils and goldfish throughout my life. While we can grow to be attached to an pet, the truth is that they are as expendable a creature as you can ever have. I've lost dogs, had dogs put to sleep and had to give away dogs I've grown attached to. While I can admit it hurts to lose what one would consider a friend, I can also admit that the hurt a person feels over losing an animal is more artificial than sincere. If the said animal was replaced by next week, the old animal will be nothing more than a memory and all is well again. And this is coming from someone who owns a 15 year old dog.
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                        • Graphik
                          Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 10582

                          #297
                          Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                          Originally posted by Double Eights
                          Because dogs are domesticated pets. They have been pets for hundreds(if not thousands) of years. When was the last time you heard of someone having a cow for pet?

                          So what you're saying is you have no compassion or even a hint of guilt for the turkeys you cook every thanksgiving? Because it doesn't live with you? So would you feel just as bad for a wolf since they are a part of the dog species?
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                          • P2K
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 8845

                            #298
                            Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                            Originally posted by Graphik
                            My whole point since I started posting in this thread is I think the punishment is too severe.


                            In my world of thinking, if Vick wasn't involved in all of this, nobody would be worrying if his punishment was too severe.

                            To some, that may be a nutty way of thinking, but when you get yourself in trouble...you gotta eat the s**t that is given to you. Life's not fair. Especially when you go around with no caution and with no common sense.

                            He did the crime. Now, he does the time. End of story for me.




                            This thread is still going on? Geez.

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                            • Graphik
                              Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 10582

                              #299
                              Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                              Originally posted by bkrich83
                              Unless he was planning to eat the dogs, I don't see your point.

                              I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Vick knowingly mislead his interviewers post plea, he knowingly smoked Marijana when he knew he was going to be tested, and mislead the investigators about his usage, and this was after pleading to several felonies.

                              I'd say his sentence is right about where it should be.From what I read if not for his post conviction shenanigans, his sentence would have been closer to 12-18 months.

                              Ok, I can see your point. If the time he has to serve is moreso but not entierly based on the lies and his own idiocracy, then I have no choice but to say he got what he deserved. If this were all based on the fact that he ran a dog fighting ring, then I think the punishment is severe.
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                              • cjonesfan921
                                UGH, next year
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 20081

                                #300
                                Re: Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

                                Originally posted by Graphik
                                So what you're saying is you have no compassion or even a hint of guilt for the turkeys you cook every thanksgiving? Because it doesn't live with you? So would you feel just as bad for a wolf since they are a part of the dog species?
                                We don't kill turkeys for fun, it's to eat. Part of the food chain. Vick didn't torture those dogs so he could eat them.

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